Seeds?

Post by **Silenoz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:31 pm

Man, some of you people do not know what you're talking about when it comes to how seeding and FBS losses work

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:20 pm

The Kicker wrote:Total shot in the dark but maybe something like this?

1. Georgia Southern vs (16. Illinois State vs 20. Tennessee Tech)
8. Maine vs 9. Appalachian State
5. Towson vs 12. Wofford
4. Sam Houston State vs (13. New Hampshire vs 17. Albany)
3. Montana vs (14. James Madison vs 18. Central Arkansas)
6. Northern Iowa vs 11 Lehigh
7. Montana State vs 10 Old Dominion
2. North Dakota State vs (15. Norfolk State vs 19. Stony Brook)

Looks weird. Are you trying to regionalize it? If that's the case, then UCA, Lehigh, and ODU are really going to take it in the shorts in their first games. I guess this is also why they don't bother seeding below 5. If this were to be a true seeding for 20 teams, 20 should be @ 15, 19@16, 18@17. At least, that seems like how it would go based off of expanding a 16-team field to 20. I just looked at a website that generates sample blank brackets, but it's REALLY weird. 13/20 vs. 1, 9 vs. 5, 16/17 vs. 4, and 12 vs. 8 on the left side. Not sure that computes for me....

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:26 pm

I'm pretty amazed at how few of you have UNI getting a seed. I'd be very surprised if UNI does not get a seed. They may very well be in the top 3.

Aho Old Guy · Post by **Aho Old Guy** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:52 pm

DJH wrote:I'm pretty amazed at how few of you have UNI getting a seed. I'd be very surprised if UNI does not get a seed. They may very well be in the top 3.

How 'bout #4 ?? In front of the Griz but behind NDSU ...

El Griz · Post by **El Griz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:52 pm

SoConNightmare wrote:
GRIZ MOBSTER wrote:
So they still lost and that's all u do is rush the damn ball. We destroyed the #1 team on the road, in a rivalry game for the conference championship. Sorry have you done that?
2 seed is what GSU deserves...why does Montana deserve a seed? You got blown up by a Tennesee team that couldnt beat its way out of an SEC east conference that looks more like the MEAC. Whats Sac States record gonna be? 5-6? 4-7? Give me a break. You beat an over rated #1 and think you should be at the front. Get behind Towson and STFU.

Yeah, it really sucks to beat the #1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY. AWAY. Does not desrerve recognition at all ????? And the selection com. only has 10 hours to think about it. towson my arse. maybe if they show up more like us (16 out of the last 18 years) just maybe, and probably not, we would listen to your whiney ass.

El Griz · Post by **El Griz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:53 pm

SoConNightmare wrote:
GRIZ MOBSTER wrote:
So they still lost and that's all u do is rush the damn ball. We destroyed the #1 team on the road, in a rivalry game for the conference championship. Sorry have you done that?
2 seed is what GSU deserves...why does Montana deserve a seed? You got blown up by a Tennesee team that couldnt beat its way out of an SEC east conference that looks more like the MEAC. Whats Sac States record gonna be? 5-6? 4-7? Give me a break. You beat an over rated #1 and think you should be at the front. Get behind Towson and STFU.

Yeah, it really sucks to beat the #1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY. AWAY. Does not desrerve recognition at all ????? And the selection com. only has 10 hours to think about it. towson my arse. maybe if they show up more like us (16 out of the last 18 years) just maybe, and probably not, we would listen to your whiney ass.

rationalgriz · Post by **rationalgriz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:00 pm

I think the 5 seeds will be, and not in this order: GSU, Sam Houston, Montana, NDSU, and Towson. I think the teams that were Conference auto qualifiers will get the nod over UNI

Pwns · Post by **Pwns** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:01 pm

Silenoz wrote:Man, some of you people do not know what you're talking about when it comes to how seeding and FBS losses work

The Bama game won't directly help GSU, but the good showing the SoCon had against the SEC today should raise the GPI of GSU and the SoCon. Also, between GSU, NDSU, UNI, the Griz, and Montana State, we are the only team that won our conference outright.

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:21 pm

rationalgriz wrote:I think the 5 seeds will be, and not in this order: GSU, Sam Houston, Montana, NDSU, and Towson. I think the teams that were Conference auto qualifiers will get the nod over UNI

Being an auto qualifier should have nothing to do with the seeds. Having the auto-bid is just about getting a spot secured in the playoffs, while the seeding is about resumes.

UNI had a 7 win team last year that was the outright conf champ, and had the auto bid. Did they deserve a seed?

rationalgriz · Post by **rationalgriz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:26 pm

DJH wrote:
rationalgriz wrote:I think the 5 seeds will be, and not in this order: GSU, Sam Houston, Montana, NDSU, and Towson. I think the teams that were Conference auto qualifiers will get the nod over UNI
Being an auto qualifier should have nothing to do with the seeds. Having the auto-bid is just about getting a spot secured in the playoffs, while the seeding is about resumes.

UNI had a 7 win team last year that was the outright conf champ, and had the auto bid. Did they deserve a seed?

Think it is more like this, why should a 9-2 UNI, that finished second in the MVC, get a seed over a 11-0 Sam Houston, 9-2 GSU, 9-2 Towson, 9-2 Montana, or 10-1 NDSU that finished first in their conference?

Post by **clenz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:28 pm

UNI finished 1st in the MVFC

rationalgriz · Post by **rationalgriz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:37 pm

clenz wrote:UNI finished 1st in the MVFC

lost tie-breaker to NDSU, hence they finished second

Post by **clenz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:39 pm

rationalgriz wrote:
clenz wrote:UNI finished 1st in the MVFC
lost tie-breaker to NDSU, hence they finished second

Nope...they finished 1st, not second.

There is no second place in the MVFC this year

Just like MSU finished 1st in the Big Sky

rationalgriz · Post by **rationalgriz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:42 pm

clenz wrote:
rationalgriz wrote:
lost tie-breaker to NDSU, hence they finished second
Nope...they finished 1st, not second.

There is no second place in the MVFC this year

Just like MSU finished 1st in the Big Sky

They may be co-champs, but there is any easy way to determine first and second, it is called head-to-head result.

Aho Old Guy · Post by **Aho Old Guy** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:43 pm

I'll put my junk out here ...

Have at it, boys and girls !

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:47 pm

I kinda doubt that the committe will send UNH clear out to Bozo for a first round game.

rationalgriz · Post by **rationalgriz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:48 pm

SuperHornet wrote:I kinda doubt that the committe will send UNH clear out to Bozo for a first round game.

UNH will be on a plane no matter what, so it is a possibility.

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:08 pm

rationalgriz wrote:
DJH wrote:
Being an auto qualifier should have nothing to do with the seeds. Having the auto-bid is just about getting a spot secured in the playoffs, while the seeding is about resumes.

UNI had a 7 win team last year that was the outright conf champ, and had the auto bid. Did they deserve a seed?
Think it is more like this, why should a 9-2 UNI, that finished second in the MVC, get a seed over a 11-0 Sam Houston, 9-2 GSU, 9-2 Towson, 9-2 Montana, or 10-1 NDSU that finished first in their conference?

Why? Because UNI has a better resume than a few of those teams.

Post by **Screamin_Eagle174** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:40 pm

rationalgriz wrote:I think the 5 seeds will be, and not in this order: GSU, Sam Houston, Montana, NDSU, and Towson. I think the teams that were Conference auto qualifiers will get the nod over UNI

This.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:51 pm

Uh, DJH, you might want to check the MVFC standings again. There are CO-champions this year, and UNI is one of them.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:00 pm

I'll take a stab at it. Think there's 8 teams you could discuss for the 5 seeds. (*Bad losses would be to anyone who finished with a losing record)

1.SHSU (Southland AQ)
vs Div I: 11-0
vs I-AA: 10-0
vs playoff: 1-0

2. NDSU (MVFC AQ):
vs Div I: 10-1 (include BCS win @ Minnesota)
vs I-AA: 9-1
vs playoff: 2-0
losses to non playoff: 1 (lost YSU)
bad losses: 0

3. Towson (CAA AQ):
vs Div 1: 9-2
vs I-AA: 9-1
vs playoff: 3-0
losses to non playoff: 1 (lost UD)
bad losses: 0

4. Ga Southern (So-Con AQ):
vs Div I: 8-2
vs I-AA: 8-1
vs playoff: 1-1 (lost @ ASU)
losses to non playoff: 0
bad losses:0

5. Montana (Big Sky AQ):
vs Div I: 8-2
vs I-AA: 8-1
vs playoff: 1-0
losses to non playoff: 1 (Sac State)
bad losses: 1 (4-7 Sac State)
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6. UNI
vs Div I: 9-2
vs I-AA: 9-1
vs playoff: 1-1 (lost @ NDSU)
losses to non playoff: 0
bad losses: 0

7. Montana State
vs Div I: 8-2
vs I-AA: 8-1
vs playoff: 0-1
losses to non playoff: 0
bad losses: 0

8. Lehigh:
vs Div I: 10-1
vs I-AA: 10-1
vs playoff: 0-1 (lost UNH)
losses to non playoff: 0
bad losses: 0

FargoBison · Post by **FargoBison** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:31 pm

This is UNI's biggest problem....Best win Illinois State.

While that is a solid win, is it going to wow the committee enough to get them a seed?

talon38 · Post by **talon38** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:42 pm

Question:
Any chance of Eastern Washington getting in with a 6-5 record (winning 5 of last 6) and being the defending National Champs? Losses to Washington by 3, Montana by 3, South Dakota, Montana State, and Portland State.

rationalgriz · Post by **rationalgriz** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:44 pm

talon38 wrote:Question:
Any chance of Eastern Washington getting in with a 6-5 record (winning 5 of last 6) and being the defending National Champs? Losses to Washington by 3, Montana by 3, South Dakota, Montana State, and Portland State.

No

talon38 · Post by **talon38** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:48 pm

Kind of what I thought!!!! but had to ask.

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