Does Jordan Johnson have a chance...

[Grizalltheway]

Well, we'll also have one of the best rushing attacks in the conference, so we won't be relying on him to account for 2/3 or our yards like EWU.

All those rushing yards don't mean much if you can't win any games. One team went to the semi's last year, the other one not so much.


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One team had a competent QB and a secondary that wasn't completely green, the other, not so much.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

All smack aside, I think he's serviceable. Best QB in the conference? No chance, not even close. I mean, do you guys seriously believe that?

How would you rank the top 5 QBs in the conference?

Lobato
Johnson
ISUs QB
MSUs QB
Southern Utah's QB

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[Grizalltheway]

How would you rank the top 5 QBs in the conference?

Lobato
Johnson
ISUs QB
MSUs QB
Southern Utah's QB

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SUU's Johnson graduated, no?

[SACCAT]

So let me get this strait...

1. JJ is going to win the Heisman
2. The griz have the best D in the conference
3. The griz have the best O in the conference
4. The griz have the best QB in the country
5. The griz have the best running game in the conference
6. Black Falcon rides dick.

Is that everything? why even play the games if the griz are this much better than....OH THATS RIGHT, they said the EXACT SAME THING last year.

Like Cat fans have any room to talk about being over-confident.

If we keep getting our ass kicked in the Quarter Finals, then no we don't. But we are the only team from Montana to be in the playoffs the last two years, we have only lost something like 6 games in 4 years, and we have a pretty good QB that, if he has his average stat year, will end up being at the top of 4-5 big sky records. BUT AGAIN...if we piss down our leg in the Playoffs then none of this matters.

[Grizalltheway]

Like Cat fans have any room to talk about being over-confident.

If we keep getting our ass kicked in the Quarter Finals, then no we don't. But we are the only team from Montana to be in the playoffs the last two years, we have only lost something like 6 games in 4 years, and we have a pretty good QB that, if he has his average stat year, will end up being at the top of 4-5 big sky records. BUT AGAIN...if we piss down our leg in the Playoffs then none of this matters.

Indeed. And if we go 5-6 again this season, then I'll finally shut my yapper about how good we are/could be. But I truly think last year was an anomoly that was the result of some very extenuating circumstances.

[SACCAT]

If we keep getting our ass kicked in the Quarter Finals, then no we don't. But we are the only team from Montana to be in the playoffs the last two years, we have only lost something like 6 games in 4 years, and we have a pretty good QB that, if he has his average stat year, will end up being at the top of 4-5 big sky records. BUT AGAIN...if we piss down our leg in the Playoffs then none of this matters.

Indeed. And if we go 5-6 again this season, then I'll finally shut my yapper about how good we are/could be. But I truly think last year was an anomoly that was the result of some very extenuating circumstances.

Hold on here, are we having a rational conversation this close to the season??? The griz can suck a dick, and all your fans are white trash idiots, and good luck with that criminal laden team. Hope you can make it through the season without ending up in jail. Tell that SLUT of a mother that I said next time she thinks of making another one of you she should swallow first.....

There, I feel much better now.

[Brock Landers]

Hyperbole aside, I do think Johnson will prove he's the best QB in the BSC by the end of the season.

All smack aside, I think he's serviceable. Best QB in the conference? No chance, not even close. I mean, do you guys seriously believe that?

We shall see

I know there is maybe one other Big Sky QB I'd rather have

[uofmman1122]

Hyperbole aside, I do think Johnson will prove he's the best QB in the BSC by the end of the season.

All smack aside, I think he's serviceable. Best QB in the conference? No chance, not even close. I mean, do you guys seriously believe that?

Yeah, and I'm confident he'll prove it. I don't feel it's hyperbole saying he's the most accurate QB we've had since Craig Ochs.

[Grizalltheway]

Honestly, Ranger, did you watch any of the last 5 or 6 games of 2011? He completely embarrassed UNI, and even got love on SportsCenter for his performance.

[SACCAT]

Honestly, Ranger, did you watch any of the last 5 or 6 games of 2011? He completely embarrassed UNI, and even got love on SportsCenter for his performance.

Those 5-6 games don't count...Just ask the NCAA

[uofmman1122]

Honestly, Ranger, did you watch any of the last 5 or 6 games of 2011? He completely embarrassed UNI, and even got love on SportsCenter for his performance.

Those 5-6 games don't count...Just ask the NCAA

Whatever makes you feel better.

[Catattack]

For future reference. Can I hand pick a certain game(s) when discussing how good or bad a player is ? Should I put all of the teams deficiencies squarely on the QB ?

[Grizalltheway]

Honestly, Ranger, did you watch any of the last 5 or 6 games of 2011? He completely embarrassed UNI, and even got love on SportsCenter for his performance.

Those 5-6 games don't count...Just ask the NCAA

The NCAA can

[AZGrizFan]

If we keep getting our ass kicked in the Quarter Finals, then no we don't. But we are the only team from Montana to be in the playoffs the last two years, we have only lost something like 6 games in 4 years, and we have a pretty good QB that, if he has his average stat year, will end up being at the top of 4-5 big sky records. BUT AGAIN...if we piss down our leg in the Playoffs then none of this matters.

Hold the PHONE there, revisionist-historian.

2009 7-4
2010 9-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2

By my count that's TWELVE games in four years...

[Grizalltheway]

For future reference. Can I hand pick a certain game(s) when discussing how good or bad a player is ? Should I put all of the teams deficiencies squarely on the QB ?

I would certainly want to void Delerious' playoff performances if I were a cat fan.

And for the record, I was referring to the fact that although he struggled in his first several games as a starter, by the last half of 2011 he became a very effective and dangerous dual-threat QB.

[SACCAT]

If we keep getting our ass kicked in the Quarter Finals, then no we don't. But we are the only team from Montana to be in the playoffs the last two years, we have only lost something like 6 games in 4 years, and we have a pretty good QB that, if he has his average stat year, will end up being at the top of 4-5 big sky records. BUT AGAIN...if we piss down our leg in the Playoffs then none of this matters.

Hold the PHONE there, revisionist-historian.

2009 7-4
2010 9-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2

By my count that's TWELVE games in four years...

I NEVER said math was my strong suit. And I don't count games we should have won as losses, or games I was to drunk to remember....I guess it is the AG1 in me (no homo).

[SACCAT]

Those 5-6 games don't count...Just ask the NCAA

Whatever makes you feel better.

It does make me feel better...

[AZGrizFan]

Hold the PHONE there, revisionist-historian.

2009 7-4
2010 9-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2

By my count that's TWELVE games in four years...

I NEVER said math was my strong suit. And I don't count games we should have won as losses, or games I was to drunk to remember....I guess it is the AG1 in me (no homo).

Which is how I explain Montana's 10-1 season last year.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Hold the PHONE there, revisionist-historian.

2009 7-4
2010 9-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2

By my count that's TWELVE games in four years...

I NEVER said math was my strong suit. And I don't count games we should have won as losses, or games I was to drunk to remember....I guess it is the AG1 in me (no homo).

Damnit, I was gonna get all over this until the dreaded (no homo) put a stop on that one.

Pretty solid reply there Sac.

[Brock Landers]

Hold the PHONE there, revisionist-historian.

2009 7-4
2010 9-3
2011 10-3
2012 11-2

By my count that's TWELVE games in four years...

I NEVER said math was my strong suit. And I don't count games we should have won as losses, or games I was to drunk to remember....I guess it is the AG1 in me (no homo).

[EWURanger]

All those rushing yards don't mean much if you can't win any games. One team went to the semi's last year, the other one not so much.


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One team had a competent QB and a secondary that wasn't completely green, the other, not so much.

Well, I'd argue we had 2 competent QB's last year. I agree with the rest.


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[EWURanger]

Honestly, Ranger, did you watch any of the last 5 or 6 games of 2011? He completely embarrassed UNI, and even got love on SportsCenter for his performance.

I did, and he was good in those games, yes. I shouldn't have said he's nowhere near the best. I just don't think he's THE best. I think it's hard to reference 2011 as a guage for how good he will be in 2013. He didn't play football in 2012 much so we'll see where he picks up.

I'm not sure where I'd rank the top 5 exactly, but I think to open the season you'd have to with DM because he is a proven Qb and leader going into his Senior year. Lobato is a good pocket-passer but is limited by his offensive line. Same goes for the ISU Qb. I have no idea who SUU, UND, CPSLO, or Weber's Qbs are even going to be since I'm tracking the guys they had last year are all gone.

As far as Adams goes, he will be one of the best Qb's in the conference over the next three years, if not the best. People will cite our departed WR's for the reason for why he was effective last season, but I don't think there will much drop-off in his efficiency. He's fast as hell and can make plays with his feet and is damn accurate even while throwing on the move. Dude can just make plays, and there's still a ton of talent in the up and comers in that receiving corps.


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[Mvemjsunpx]

I'm not sure where I'd rank the top 5 exactly, but I think to open the season you'd have to with DM because he is a proven Qb and leader going into his Senior year. Lobato is a good pocket-passer but is limited by his offensive line. Same goes for the ISU Qb. I have no idea who SUU, UND, CPSLO, or Weber's Qbs are even going to be since I'm tracking the guys they had last year are all gone.

The ISU QB graduated, too. Their new starter is the backup from 2 years ago (Arias).

As far as Adams goes, he will be one of the best Qb's in the conference over the next three years, if not the best. People will cite our departed WR's for the reason for why he was effective last season, but I don't think there will much drop-off in his efficiency. He's fast as hell and can make plays with his feet and is damn accurate even while throwing on the move. Dude can just make plays, and there's still a ton of talent in the up and comers in that receiving corps.

You don't think the efficiency will drop? All he had to do half the time last year was throw it up to Kaufman & he would catch it. That's gone now.

[EWURanger]

I'm not sure where I'd rank the top 5 exactly, but I think to open the season you'd have to with DM because he is a proven Qb and leader going into his Senior year. Lobato is a good pocket-passer but is limited by his offensive line. Same goes for the ISU Qb. I have no idea who SUU, UND, CPSLO, or Weber's Qbs are even going to be since I'm tracking the guys they had last year are all gone.

The ISU QB graduated, too. Their new starter is the backup from 2 years ago (Arias).

As far as Adams goes, he will be one of the best Qb's in the conference over the next three years, if not the best. People will cite our departed WR's for the reason for why he was effective last season, but I don't think there be will much drop-off in his efficiency. He's fast as hell and can make plays with his feet and is damn accurate even while throwing on the move. Dude can just make plays, and there's still a ton of talent in the up and comers in that receiving corps.

You don't think the efficiency will drop? All he had to do half the time last year was throw it up to Kaufman & he would catch it. That's gone now.

It's hard to tell really. It'll probably drop off some, but not as much as people are expecting it to I would imagine. We of course won't be at the beginning of 2013 where we were at the end of 2012. Losing Kaufman, Edwards, and Herd is obviously huge but I think people overplay that a little. Before those three we had to replace guys like Boyce and Overbay who were equally as important to those teams as that trio of guys were to the '10, 11, and '12 teams. So if you believe that pass efficiency will suffer mostly because we have to replace three All-American recievers, what I would suggest is that we have three more already in the program that haven't played yet. Kupp will be one of those guys and there's a couple 6'3 and 6'4 type guys that will probably fall in that category at some point as well.

Besides, even with all the talent in the world at reciever you still have to have the Qb to be able to get them the ball. Being able to come in during the second half of a semi-final game and throw 6 Td passes (as a Freshman) is pretty remarkable.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I'm not sure where I'd rank the top 5 exactly, but I think to open the season you'd have to with DM because he is a proven Qb and leader going into his Senior year. Lobato is a good pocket-passer but is limited by his offensive line. Same goes for the ISU Qb. I have no idea who SUU, UND, CPSLO, or Weber's Qbs are even going to be since I'm tracking the guys they had last year are all gone.

The ISU QB graduated, too. Their new starter is the backup from 2 years ago (Arias).

As far as Adams goes, he will be one of the best Qb's in the conference over the next three years, if not the best. People will cite our departed WR's for the reason for why he was effective last season, but I don't think there will much drop-off in his efficiency. He's fast as hell and can make plays with his feet and is damn accurate even while throwing on the move. Dude can just make plays, and there's still a ton of talent in the up and comers in that receiving corps.

You don't think the efficiency will drop? All he had to do half the time last year was throw it up to Kaufman & he would catch it. That's gone now.

You don't think QBs get better from year one to year two?