CAA Footbal Future

[Monarch Nation]

Also I did a little additional research.

First of all, ODU acquired its land for football practice facilities through a land swap with the city of Norfolk. I wonder how much money that saved ODU, to use to build their facility?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/92931

Second, ODU announced football in 2006, and was fundraising before then. In 2006 the economy was thriving (by most standards - I'm not attempting to get into an economic debate). GSU didn't announce football until April of 2008, 6 months before the "credit crisis." And although they hired Dan Reeves in 2007 to "gauge interest" and raise funds, they didn't do a heavy fund raising campaign until after the announcement of football.
http://www.odu.edu/ao/alumni_magazine/S ... ising.html
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewA ... LID=860313

You make it sound like we did a nefarious thing by using negotiations to our advantage and fundraising before making an official announcement.

Seriously, it sounds like you are apologizing for Ga State. You don't have to. While I did say I don't see you jumping to FBS as soon as you appear to want, I do support your start of football and look forward to playing you.

As for Charlotte, my only objection with them is their wanting to use the CAA as a temporary home so they can jump to FBS. As I stated on another board, my vote (and I don't have an official one) would be to join for all sports or don't join at all. Frankly I hope the majority of the schools vote this way.

[andy7171]

As for Charlotte, my only objection with them is their wanting to use the CAA as a temporary home so they can jump to FBS. As I stated on another board, my vote (and I don't have an official one) would be to join for all sports or don't join at all. Frankly I hope the majority of the schools vote this way.

Wow, an ODU fan that is making sense? I think I just saw a pig fly by my window!

I agree. If Charliotte wants to go FBS, make them go independant for the 5 years. Not use the CAA as a stepping stone.

[∞∞∞]

Didn't a JMU fan on the other board who works closely with the AD at JMU say that the CAA has offered Charlotte an all-sport invite if they want to join in football, but not an offer for football only.

actually, here's the quote from the 'zone:

Spent the weekend up at JMU. Official word from the administration at JMU is that the CAA is not interested in adding any additional affiliate schools. I read in a thread somewhere that JMU was one of the schools pushing for a football only invite to Charlotte. This is incorrect information.

The CAA would be interested in an all sports invite to Charlotte. That offer is on the table. The CAA needs more all sports football members to stabilize the overall membership. I was glad to hear this news...

...You can be skeptical of my information if you so please. I serve on the athletic board of the school and have learned that using names of administrative folks on a message board is not a good idea.

^^^he's a reliable member and I'm sure JMU fans can attest to that.

[dbackjon]

Wanting new all-sports football members only is smart - who knows when all the affiliates will bolt.

[GA St. MBB Fan]

So would Georgia State be guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Yes, but then again who expected the economy to fall apart like it did? But, is Georgia State doing things "on the fly," I don't think so.

Football is a long term investment for the University, any University. Football is something you hope is permanent and lasts for hundreds of years. There's typically a 5 to 6 year buildup from the time you start examining starting a football program to the day the team takes the field. Making any changes now could look really stupid next year or 5 years down the road. The University made this decision with a long range intent. Football was a good investment in their judgement in a good economy and it still will be a good invest when the economy turns around. GSU was right to continue on track, it will pay off in the end.

Thank you 49R, I'm glad someone sees my point.

[GA St. MBB Fan]

Also I did a little additional research.

First of all, ODU acquired its land for football practice facilities through a land swap with the city of Norfolk. I wonder how much money that saved ODU, to use to build their facility?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/92931

Second, ODU announced football in 2006, and was fundraising before then. In 2006 the economy was thriving (by most standards - I'm not attempting to get into an economic debate). GSU didn't announce football until April of 2008, 6 months before the "credit crisis." And although they hired Dan Reeves in 2007 to "gauge interest" and raise funds, they didn't do a heavy fund raising campaign until after the announcement of football.
http://www.odu.edu/ao/alumni_magazine/S ... ising.html
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewA ... LID=860313

You make it sound like we did a nefarious thing by using negotiations to our advantage and fundraising before making an official announcement.

Seriously, it sounds like you are apologizing for Ga State. You don't have to. While I did say I don't see you jumping to FBS as soon as you appear to want, I do support your start of football and look forward to playing you.

Monarch Nation,

Please do not believe that I think that ODU did something "nefarious" by working out a land deal with the city of Norfolk. That is exactly the type of things that have to happen when you have a University in an urban environment. My point was simply that ODU was able to use some non-financial, non-monetary leverage and that helped them get a little head start on building their facilities. Nothing is wrong with that, but my comments were primarily directed to Tribe4SF who has been comparing ODU's financial backing and building of facilities to GSU's financial backing and building of facilities.

I have no qualms with your opinion of how fast (or if) GSU will go FBS, because that is your opinion based on your observations. But, all of my comments in this thread have been directed at Tribe4SF and his assertions - which lack basis in fact or merit.

[Tribe4SF]

But, all of my comments in this thread have been directed at Tribe4SF and his assertions - which lack basis in fact or merit.

Not to belabor this discussion, but is it not fact that completion of the four-phase plan is dependent on fundraising? Again, my comments here are relative only to GSU's preparedness to consider a move to FBS, which is where I came into this discussion. ODU has no current plan to move up, and my comparison between they and GSU was to point out that if ODU ain't close to ready, GSU is certainly not. I would guess that the relative success of current fundraising efforts at GSU will be a prime determinant of whether the school ever pursues a move to FBS.

[49RFootballNow]

Wanting new all-sports football members only is smart - who knows when all the affiliates will bolt.

I completely understand this sentiment coming from the full conference members. You want to strengthen the brand for CAA in basketball and Charlotte could help that. We simply can't afford to make a move that our fans, right or wrong, will judge as a step down. Our basketball program can't take two massive hits in less than a decade and survive at a competitive support level.

As for affiliates, I know Richmond won the NC year before last, but would the CAA really take a massive hit if all the current 5 affiliates left? You'd still most likely be the strongest FCS football conference. Adding Charlotte and/or Fordham would not harm that brand, would build useful relations for later on, and help split the operations costs even further. There is no magic number of teams per conference (12) in FCS like FBS. Charlotte would take nothing from the CAA as a football only member but could eventually have a lot to give. Making a play to do something that would make us harm our program would be a waste of Mr. Yeager's time, doubt he'd agree to talk to us if he wasn't prepared to listen to the proposal he'll get.

Thank you 49R, I'm glad someone sees my point.

I imagine you and I have fought a lot of the same battles these last few years with fans of more established football programs. Keep your chin up, it will be worth it the day your team first takes the field.

[Common Sense]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks that Ga State is going to go to FBS soon. They have miserable attendance at their basketball, and in football will have to compete with Ga Tech. A few of their fans bluster about going to FBS and making a huge splash on the college football scene, but frankly I don't see it.

It seems they're having enough difficulty funding an entry to FCS. They apparently have not secured the funds to complete a practice field, which was to be a first order of business. They are moving into their first season of competition, and investment from the Atlanta business community, and their alumni base does not approach what ODU had at the same point.

I had no idea Bill and Mary offers courses such as Lying 101 and Blatant Misinforming 201.

GSU Football Facility Ahead of Schedule

[Common Sense]

But, all of my comments in this thread have been directed at Tribe4SF and his assertions - which lack basis in fact or merit.

Not to belabor this discussion, but is it not fact that completion of the four-phase plan is dependent on fundraising? Again, my comments here are relative only to GSU's preparedness to consider a move to FBS, which is where I came into this discussion. ODU has no current plan to move up, and my comparison between they and GSU was to point out that if ODU ain't close to ready, GSU is certainly not. I would guess that the relative success of current fundraising efforts at GSU will be a prime determinant of whether the school ever pursues a move to FBS.

The prime determinant of GSU's move to FBS is not fundraising -- it's getting 20K+ people in the stands on consistent basis. Period.

But while on the subject of fundraising, ODU started its process before 2006 and completed everything by 2009, which gave them at least 4 solid years of fundraising. Was that not a process as well? If you are going to spout garbage (like you have been on CAA Zone for years now) about comparisons between ODU and GSU, then why not take into account that GSU's fundraising efforts have been in progress for only a year and two months, which effectively means we have another 3 years to match ODU, and do so, mind you, in the worst economic downturn since the great depression.

You know, for someone who claims to have a degree from William and Mary, I must say I'm rather disappointed.

[Common Sense]

Also I did a little additional research.

First of all, ODU acquired its land for football practice facilities through a land swap with the city of Norfolk. I wonder how much money that saved ODU, to use to build their facility?
http://hamptonroads.com/node/92931

Second, ODU announced football in 2006, and was fundraising before then. In 2006 the economy was thriving (by most standards - I'm not attempting to get into an economic debate). GSU didn't announce football until April of 2008, 6 months before the "credit crisis." And although they hired Dan Reeves in 2007 to "gauge interest" and raise funds, they didn't do a heavy fund raising campaign until after the announcement of football.
http://www.odu.edu/ao/alumni_magazine/S ... ising.html
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewA ... LID=860313

You make it sound like we did a nefarious thing by using negotiations to our advantage and fundraising before making an official announcement.

Seriously, it sounds like you are apologizing for Ga State. You don't have to. While I did say I don't see you jumping to FBS as soon as you appear to want, I do support your start of football and look forward to playing you.

I love it how your posts go from blatant bashing of GSU to "I support your program" after a little light is shed on fundraising time lines, periods and circumstances. There is nothing more amusing than a Hampton Roads jackoff living in Florida using the word nefarious and comparing land swaps in Norfolk to land acquisition in Downtown Atlanta -- and then proceeding to claim that the GSU fan is the one making apologies. Let me ask you this, for whom will you be apologizing if you don't beat GSU this year?

[Tribe4SF]

It seems they're having enough difficulty funding an entry to FCS. They apparently have not secured the funds to complete a practice field, which was to be a first order of business. They are moving into their first season of competition, and investment from the Atlanta business community, and their alumni base does not approach what ODU had at the same point.

I had no idea Bill and Mary offers courses such as Lying 101 and Blatant Misinforming 201.

GSU Football Facility Ahead of Schedule

If you notice, the article you linked is dated two days after I made that post. There's no need to get personal.

[Tribe4SF]

Not to belabor this discussion, but is it not fact that completion of the four-phase plan is dependent on fundraising? Again, my comments here are relative only to GSU's preparedness to consider a move to FBS, which is where I came into this discussion. ODU has no current plan to move up, and my comparison between they and GSU was to point out that if ODU ain't close to ready, GSU is certainly not. I would guess that the relative success of current fundraising efforts at GSU will be a prime determinant of whether the school ever pursues a move to FBS.

The prime determinant of GSU's move to FBS is not fundraising -- it's getting 20K+ people in the stands on consistent basis. Period.

But while on the subject of fundraising, ODU started its process before 2006 and completed everything by 2009, which gave them at least 4 solid years of fundraising. Was that not a process as well? If you are going to spout garbage (like you have been on CAA Zone for years now) about comparisons between ODU and GSU, then why not take into account that GSU's fundraising efforts have been in progress for only a year and two months, which effectively means we have another 3 years to match ODU, and do so, mind you, in the worst economic downturn since the great depression.

You know, for someone who claims to have a degree from William and Mary, I must say I'm rather disappointed.

Of course it was a process as well. My point is simply that the process was well planned in advance, and they didn't proceed with their plan until their goals were achieved. GSU, by the way, has been raising money a bit longer than a year and two months. They had over a million dollars pledged by April of 2008. ODU had their eight million in the summer of 2006, more than three years before they played their first game. That's why their facilities were complete when they took the field.

Consistently drawing good crowds will certainly be important to an FBS move for GSU, but if you think fundraising will not also be a prime determinant you're kidding yourself. The comparisons, AGAIN, are to point out that ODU is no where near ready to consider an FBS move, and they've been drawing 20,000 for every game.

[Monarch Nation]

You make it sound like we did a nefarious thing by using negotiations to our advantage and fundraising before making an official announcement.

Seriously, it sounds like you are apologizing for Ga State. You don't have to. While I did say I don't see you jumping to FBS as soon as you appear to want, I do support your start of football and look forward to playing you.

I love it how your posts go from blatant bashing of GSU to "I support your program" after a little light is shed on fundraising time lines, periods and circumstances. There is nothing more amusing than a Hampton Roads jackoff living in Florida using the word nefarious and comparing land swaps in Norfolk to land acquisition in Downtown Atlanta -- and then proceeding to claim that the GSU fan is the one making apologies. Let me ask you this, for whom will you be apologizing if you don't beat GSU this year?

You're right about one thing Common Sense (man, what a misnomer THAT is!), I don't support the Ga State program. In fact, I don't give a rats ass about it. You shouldn't be in the CAA for anything, much less football. Frankly, the Big South is about where you belong, in both football and basketball. If, of course, they would have you.

Good Lord, you Ga State guys sure walk around with huge chips on your shoulders. That inferiority complex you all have, however well earned, must be hell.

[andy7171]

Good Lord, you Ga State guys sure walk around with huge chips on your shoulders. That inferiority complex you all have, however well earned, must be hell.

And you ODU guys are sure excitable!

[Monarch Nation]

Good Lord, you Ga State guys sure walk around with huge chips on your shoulders. That inferiority complex you all have, however well earned, must be hell.

And you ODU guys are sure excitable!

We're claustrophobic, and cocoons are a bitch.

[andy7171]

And you ODU guys are sure excitable!

We're claustrophobic, and cocoons are a bitch.

[henfan]

At some point, perhaps the thread will get directed back towards CAA FB and CAA FB teams?

[BlueHen86]

At some point, perhaps the thread will get directed back towards CAA FB and CAA FB teams?

If only people would use some common sense when posting...

[andy7171]

At some point, perhaps the thread will get directed back towards CAA FB and CAA FB teams?

So talking about teams that have a slightly better than average chance at joining the CAA in football is not worthy in a thread titled "CAA Football Futre"

...or are you talking about the ODU butterfly?

[Common Sense]

I love it how your posts go from blatant bashing of GSU to "I support your program" after a little light is shed on fundraising time lines, periods and circumstances. There is nothing more amusing than a Hampton Roads jackoff living in Florida using the word nefarious and comparing land swaps in Norfolk to land acquisition in Downtown Atlanta -- and then proceeding to claim that the GSU fan is the one making apologies. Let me ask you this, for whom will you be apologizing if you don't beat GSU this year?

You're right about one thing Common Sense (man, what a misnomer THAT is!), I don't support the Ga State program. In fact, I don't give a rats ass about it. You shouldn't be in the CAA for anything, much less football. Frankly, the Big South is about where you belong, in both football and basketball. If, of course, they would have you.

Good Lord, you Ga State guys sure walk around with huge chips on your shoulders. That inferiority complex you all have, however well earned, must be hell.

Yeah, GSU won FIVE conference championships in four years since joining the CAA and we shouldn't be in the CAA. Good one champ. And to talk down our football program before you even saw us on the field is even smarter. I sure hope for your psyche's sake you don't lose to us up in Norfolk next Fall. You sure wouldn't want to lose to a Big South team now, do you?

And I assure you, the only fans who have an inferiority complex are the ODU folks who have watched their basketball team take a back seat to VCU and GMU over the last decade. It's really getting old listening to Monarch fans talking about the glory days of old and D2 championships. Between that and the "Home Court Disadvantage" theory, one can only wonder what excuses you will make if you lose to us in football.

[andy7171]

I think I'm becoming a Georgia State fan!

[Monarch Nation]

You're right about one thing Common Sense (man, what a misnomer THAT is!), I don't support the Ga State program. In fact, I don't give a rats ass about it. You shouldn't be in the CAA for anything, much less football. Frankly, the Big South is about where you belong, in both football and basketball. If, of course, they would have you.

Good Lord, you Ga State guys sure walk around with huge chips on your shoulders. That inferiority complex you all have, however well earned, must be hell.

Yeah, GSU won FIVE conference championships in four years since joining the CAA and we shouldn't be in the CAA. Good one champ. And to talk down our football program before you even saw us on the field is even smarter. I sure hope for your psyche's sake you don't lose to us up in Norfolk next Fall. You sure wouldn't want to lose to a Big South team now, do you?

And I assure you, the only fans who have an inferiority complex are the ODU folks who have watched their basketball team take a back seat to VCU and GMU over the last decade. It's really getting old listening to Monarch fans talking about the glory days of old and D2 championships. Between that and the "Home Court Disadvantage" theory, one can only wonder what excuses you will make if you lose to us in football.

You can fight with yourself, kid. I'm tired of you.

Good luck in all of your future endeavors.

[Tribe4SF]

I think I'm becoming a Georgia State fan!

Good! I'm going to need at least one I can talk to.

[mcveyrl]

I think I'm becoming a Georgia State fan!

Good! I'm going to need at least one I can talk to.

WHERE IS THE "RIMSHOT" SMILIE!!!????