10 top fcs recruiting classes of 2010

[CatMom]

You can split scholarships, and if you have kids who are great students and qualify for academic money, you can save there as well.

Yes, I'm, aware of that fact but he will get a full ride come January and I think that's where we'll go with him. His response didn't mention a partial. I also think he would get some academic money if he applies. We have the third highest academic requirements in the state of Texas, so all these guys are near the top of their HS classes, academically. It's one of the reasons we just lost WR Mishak Rivas...he didn't keep up with what he needed to to stay here. (even if he put his own spin on it for the newspapers)

[BDKJMU]

JMU's Rival's commit list has been updated for all 19 signees. And now JMU is showing 14 two star and 2 three star:
http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist. ... 2010#page1

I've looked, and this is what I've found so far as far as two and 3 star signees:
JMU 34 stars
UR: 23 stars (Rivals 10 two star, one 3 star) (+ yeah, they did get Corp)
ASU: 20 stars (Rivals 4 three star, 4 two star)
Montana: 18 stars (Scout.com seven 2 star, + one additional from Rivals plus one from 09' Scout that sat out last yr according to Ronbo).

No one else totaling more than 13 stars (2 and 3 star).

Not true...as of today, we have three 3-Stars and four 2-Stars for a total of 17 stars, and should get another 3-star in the morning, for a total of 20...doesn't mean a damn thing but since you brought it up, thought I would correct the record. Plus we have several others who would easily be 2-Stars had they been submitted to rated...plus one of our 2-Stars was a 3-Star and the 72nd rated RB all year, until he committed to us...then they dropped him...we also had a commitment who had no stars until he flipped to Memphis this past Monday - he immediately got 2-stars and probably should be a 3-Star...just goes to show you how dubious and inexact the process is.

Congrats on what looks like a great class for you'all then. On Rivals I just quickly clicked on every full scholly FCS and looks like you guys were the only ones I missed.

[CatMom]

Read back, you missed TXST too. But you won't find Kirpes listed with the class (see my link) or Stewart's 3 star rating either.

But, in the end, it doesn't really matter, does it? All this rating stuff is BS. If the player craps out or the coaching staff doesn't do their job it can all become moot very quickly for any of these guys.

[BDKJMU]

JMU's Rival's commit list has been updated for all 19 signees. And now JMU is showing 14 two star and 2 three star:
http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist. ... 2010#page1

I've looked, and this is what I've found so far as far as two and 3 star signees:
JMU 34 stars
UR: 23 stars (Rivals 10 two star, one 3 star) (+ yeah, they did get Corp)
ASU: 20 stars (Rivals 4 three star, 4 two star)
Montana: 18 stars (Scout.com seven 2 star, + one additional from Rivals plus one from 09' Scout that sat out last yr according to Ronbo).

No one else totaling more than 13 stars (2 and 3 star).

To put this in perspective for JMU, # of stars Rivals showed for the last 6 JMU classes:
05': 12
06': 10
07': 0
08': 9
09': 14
2010': 34

62 million stadium expansion paying off. Build it and they will come.

The Scout 7 stars is funny, they downgraded someone, there was eight a couple days ago.

Not listed as recruited for Montana at Scout or Rivals.

CJ Atkins WR, 6'3" 210 lbs, Scout 2 star out of HS. Washington State and JC transfer.
Tonio Celotto DT, 6'2" 305 lbs, Scout and Rivals 3 star out of HS. Oregon transfer.

When people are talking and rating signing classes its referring to those that sign LOI (Letters of Intent) which are HS, Prep Scool (PG) and JUCOs. I-A Transfers is a whole another thing- they don't sign letters of intent and aren't considered part of that recruiting class (as they are transferring in 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year eligibility wise.

[BDKJMU]

JMU's Rival's commit list has been updated for all 19 signees. And now JMU is showing 14 two star and 2 three star:
http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist. ... 2010#page1

I've looked, and this is what I've found so far as far as two and 3 star signees:
JMU 34 stars
UR: 23 stars (Rivals 10 two star, one 3 star) (+ yeah, they did get Corp)
ASU: 20 stars (Rivals 4 three star, 4 two star)
Montana: 18 stars (Scout.com seven 2 star, + one additional from Rivals plus one from 09' Scout that sat out last yr according to Ronbo).

No one else totaling more than 13 stars (2 and 3 star).

To put this in perspective for JMU, # of stars Rivals showed for the last 6 JMU classes:
05': 12
06': 10
07': 0
08': 9
09': 14
2010': 34

62 million stadium expansion paying off. Build it and they will come.

Well, how many schollies are these teams giving out? We only had 11 HS schollies to offer. The other 2 went to a JUCO and an FBS transfer..and those are 2 -3's and 3-2's. Then you add our 3 star that is walking on (see other thread viewtopic.php?f=4&t=12638&start=25 for why this happened) and we have 15. The FBS transfer was a 3 star coming out of HS last year. He redshirted so has all 4 yrs left. That, technically, matches Montana's 18.

See above post. I-A transfers aren't considered part of the recruiting class. Montana, like half the other I-AA schools, has some I-A transfers too that aren't part of those 18 stars. We're just talking guys that sign LOIs.

[CatMom]

However, Kirpes could not sign, but I consider him part of the recruiting class as he will get a schollie com January. He had his LOI but had to, basically, eat it.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Stewart hasn't played a down of college ball, is taking up a scholarship and just got here...I'm counting him whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.

[Skjellyfetti]

Read my post on the last page...

You have to weigh 3-star players MUCH heavier than 2-stars... not just add up stars.

Rivals gives 3 star players almost 4x as many points as a 2 star player (75 points vs. 20 points)

[BDKJMU]

However, Kirpes could not sign, but I consider him part of the recruiting class as he will get a schollie com January. He had his LOI but had to, basically, eat it.

You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Stewart hasn't played a down of college ball, is taking up a scholarship and just got here...I'm counting him whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.

You can do it your way in your own little world, I don't care. The rest of the country, ie the colleges, the sports reporters people that cover the colleges, and the recruiting services will do it their way.

[CatMom]

Thanks, I'll just do that then....as long as you lighten up a bit.

[BDKJMU]

Read my post on the last page...

You have to weigh 3-star players MUCH heavier than 2-stars... not just add up stars.

Rivals gives 3 star players almost 4x as many points as a 2 star player (75 points vs. 20 points)

Yes, but we are talking about 2 and 3 star players from Rivals And Scouts, Scouts only counts their 3 star twice as much as their 2 star:
3 Star = 40 points
2 Star = 20 points

Regardless, even doing it using Rivals point system, ASU with 4 three star and 4 two star would be the only team rated higher than JMU with 2 three star and 10 two star.
-SCSU and Ga St both show 3 three star but only 2 two star.
-GSU, JSU, and Towson all show 2 three star.
-About a doz other teams have one 3 star. The rest show none.

[CatMom]

If you discount Kirpes and Stewart we have 2 -3's and 3 - 2's but, honestly, it doesn't matter much in the big picture. So, some have said, it's fun to mess with this and just watch. We lost 12 seniors and 1 would be Jr (who left school this semester). Who will replace them will not be the 14 guys we have coming in, for most part. Those will be replaced by guys that played last year as #2 on the depth chart or RS freshman. I can see 4-5 of them playing this year, especially the transfers. But overall, most of these guys will not get PT on our team.

They may make more of an immediate impact on a team that had to go get 20 players but not on a team that needed 12. Maybe next year when we will lose 21.

[Col Hogan]

Everyone wants to talk about their stars. All I know is Jason Hunter, Dexter Jackson, Marcus Murrell, Cory Lynch, and Daniel Wilcox are now playing or played in the NFL and none had a star to their name. Neither did some guy named Edwards who was pretty good too.

Yep...Vlad Ducasse got no looks from FBS schools...had no stars...yet is projected to be a second round draft pick...

Stars mean nothing until they hit the field and earn them...

[tampajag]

Who was the famous coach that replied, when asked what grade he would give his recruiting class, "Right now I'd give it a 'c,' because right now I have yet to 'c' any of them on the practice field for us. "

Spot on....these dick measuring threads about "our recruiting class was better than your's" are a hoot...

UMass got a juco player from CA last year who was rated "a pro prospect" and won awards...

On the field, he was like a deer staring into headlights...the game moved a lot faster than he was use to and he didn't make decision fast enough...

He may be a lot better this year...may not...

But it is funny reading this stuff...passes the time nicely...

I agree it's funny but some people take this stuff way to seriously.

[slulionsfan]

With the addition of Gavin Webster this morning, we now have four 3-Star signees - including a Top 100 LB - and four 2-Star signees (all 5.4's), among 21 total, as rated by Rivals...but we're nowhere to be found in their overall rankings...in of itself that doesn't mean our class is any better than anybody else's, but just goes to show how flawed the Rivals ranking system is...they don't even update their own system.

[GannonFan]

I don't recall Omar Cuff having any stars when he came to UD. Still ended up pretty good though, if I remember.

[kuntryboimike]

the point every1 is gettn at is stars are pointless. who cares about stars. they do nothing. i really thot a lot of stars before this thread. lesson learned

[CrunchGriz]

I don't recall Omar Cuff having any stars when he came to UD. Still ended up pretty good though, if I remember.

Same thing for Chase Reynolds and Marc Mariani -- heck, Mariani was a walk-on. He turned out okay, too. (Now the Griz just have to find the next MM.)

[dbackjon]

I don't recall Omar Cuff having any stars when he came to UD. Still ended up pretty good though, if I remember.

He turned out okay, too. (Now the Griz just have to find the next MM.)

If you don't, look out 8-3 or worse. Without MM, Montana loses multiple games last season.

[jd of de]

I applaud all the top recruiting classes/schools but when it comes to the star system at the FCS level it is pretty meaningless. Past the top 100, maybe as deep as 150 they make sense, but at the FCS level a guy can get 2 stars because a SEC school was at the game to watch one of his teammates, or because his HSC sent a tape to a 1-A school. Trust your own eyes because you know more than the the so called experts.

[Griz Growler]

Isn't Chattanooga listed as one of the top recruiting classes in FCS nearly every year? One of these day's their team is gonna explode onto the scene.

[Skjellyfetti]

Isn't Chattanooga listed as one of the top recruiting classes in FCS nearly every year? One of these day's their team is gonna explode onto the scene.

Um, Chatty isn't a pushover anymore. I'd expect them in the playoffs in the next 2-3 years.

[kuntryboimike]

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[Silenoz]

Isn't Chattanooga listed as one of the top recruiting classes in FCS nearly every year? One of these day's their team is gonna explode onto the scene.

Um, Chatty isn't a pushover anymore. I'd expect them in the playoffs in the next 2-3 years.

We'll see. They didn't beat anyone last year.

[bjtheflamesfan]

LU signed 18 kids, 10 of whom are listed on Rivals, 9 of whom committed according to them all two star athletes save one (Gabriel Henderson who is in a similar mold to Mike Brown)

[BDKJMU]

Here's the thing. You can have a guy who's great in HS, or puts up great #s, but for some reason doesn't get any stars in any of the recruiting services, not many even scholly offers or not even a single one. And he can go on to college and become an All Conference even an AA.

On the flip side no one puts up crappy #s in high school and totally sucks and gets 3 stars. But you can have a 3 star guy in at least one of the recruiting services with the really good/great HS resume and measurables (height, weight, 40 time, etc) that ends up a total bust in college for one reason or another. Never even starts.

But if you look at the odds, a higher % of the higher touted recruits become impact players. There may be around 30 three star that signed LOIs with I-AA a couple of days ago. Maybe only 10 ever become 1st team All conference/AA. Take 30 two star guys, and it might be 5. Take 30 no star scholly guys and it might be a couple. Take 30 walk on and you might get one.

So yeah, we won't know who had the best recruiting class for 2010 for 3-4 years. JMU, ASU, Montana, UR, etc may have better odds than others, but it could end up being someone else.

But right now in early Feb when Spring ball is a month and a half away, summer camp doesn't start up for about 6 months, and season doesn't start for close to 7, these dick measuring contests do give us something to talk about in this dead time.