Best All Time FCS QB

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Not quite that simple. As I mentioned, all of the QBs are great QBs, I use NCs to separate who I consider the best from the great. Nothing wrong with that, this poll is subjective and how I rank the QBs is no more or less subjective than you. Are you saying that your rationale is based completely on unassailable logic without any subjectivity?

And for the record, I don't think GS's 85 defense was that good. If memory serves, UNI put up 600+ yards on them and ran out of time before they could tie the game. They had some good players, but Ham made everyone on that team a whole lot better and there is absolutely no way they would have won that 85 NC without him.

Of course all views are subjective. But at least some views have somthing to do with the player being evaluated. Your method seems to be the best way to determine the best QB is to judge the players other than the QB. That would seem to put Trent Dilfer pretty high up on the list of great NFL QB's, if you use your criteria in that arena, based on him leading the Ravens to the SB title a few years back. If you're going to be subjective, at least stick to the topic of which you're being subjective, IMO of course.

Seriously dude, what the fuck is wrong with you sometimes? If that were the case in how 88 was looking at things wouldn't there be a shitload of JUST NC QB's on his list?

All he said was that it is a part of his criteria...not the only factor. he has it split with soome with NC's and some without. The QB's he sees as the best are the ones that got it done. In two of the three cases they were QB's that very well were the reason that their teams were able to get it done.

[Appaholic]

Of course all views are subjective. But at least some views have somthing to do with the player being evaluated. Your method seems to be the best way to determine the best QB is to judge the players other than the QB. That would seem to put Trent Dilfer pretty high up on the list of great NFL QB's, if you use your criteria in that arena, based on him leading the Ravens to the SB title a few years back. If you're going to be subjective, at least stick to the topic of which you're being subjective, IMO of course.

Seriously dude, what the fuck is wrong with you sometimes? If that were the case in how 88 was looking at things wouldn't there be a shitload of JUST NC QB's on his list?

All he said was that it is a part of his criteria...not the only factor. he has it split with soome with NC's and some without. The QB's he sees as the best are the ones that got it done. In two of the three cases they were QB's that very well were the reason that their teams were able to get it done.

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[GannonFan]

Of course all views are subjective. But at least some views have somthing to do with the player being evaluated. Your method seems to be the best way to determine the best QB is to judge the players other than the QB. That would seem to put Trent Dilfer pretty high up on the list of great NFL QB's, if you use your criteria in that arena, based on him leading the Ravens to the SB title a few years back. If you're going to be subjective, at least stick to the topic of which you're being subjective, IMO of course.

Seriously dude, what the **** is wrong with you sometimes? If that were the case in how 88 was looking at things wouldn't there be a shitload of JUST NC QB's on his list?

All he said was that it is a part of his criteria...not the only factor. he has it split with soome with NC's and some without. The QB's he sees as the best are the ones that got it done. In two of the three cases they were QB's that very well were the reason that their teams were able to get it done.

Eh, once you make the list of the best QB's, his way of breaking the tie is akin to flipping a coin - that would be just as valid.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Seriously dude, what the **** is wrong with you sometimes? If that were the case in how 88 was looking at things wouldn't there be a shitload of JUST NC QB's on his list?

All he said was that it is a part of his criteria...not the only factor. he has it split with soome with NC's and some without. The QB's he sees as the best are the ones that got it done. In two of the three cases they were QB's that very well were the reason that their teams were able to get it done.

Eh, once you make the list of the best QB's, his way of breaking the tie is akin to flipping a coin - that would be just as valid.

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[UNI88]

Seriously dude, what the **** is wrong with you sometimes? If that were the case in how 88 was looking at things wouldn't there be a shitload of JUST NC QB's on his list?

All he said was that it is a part of his criteria...not the only factor. he has it split with soome with NC's and some without. The QB's he sees as the best are the ones that got it done. In two of the three cases they were QB's that very well were the reason that their teams were able to get it done.

Eh, once you make the list of the best QB's, his way of breaking the tie is akin to flipping a coin - that would be just as valid.

Did Chris Whitney, Eric Ward, etc. make the list? They are your Dilfers, QBs who managed the game and did enough to help their team win.

Is Joe Montana considered by many to be the greatest Pro QB of all time? Was Joe as physically talented as Dan Marino? No but he had that "it" factor that helped him lead teams to championships. IMO, Ham, AE & DD all had that "it" factor that separates them from the others. I think Eric Sanders had that "it" factor as well but he wasn't as physically talented enough to get his team over the top like the other three.

Let's flip this over and approach it from your perspective - Who do you consider the 3 best FCS QBs of all time and why?

[SpeedkingATL]

I'm going with AE with the 2 Payton Awards, 2 National Championships and possibly the biggest upset in college footbal history on his resume. Having seen Tracy Ham I would have him in the conversation as well. AE's App team also routed Flaco's Delaware team in the National Championship (although Flaco had a pretty good game and was amazing in completing passes to receivers that couldn't get daylight against the App DBs most of the night).

[clenz]

I think Eric Sanders had that "it" factor as well but he wasn't as physically talented enough to get his team over the top like the other three.

The fact UNI didn't win a NC while Sanders was here had nothing to do with Sanders...the only reason UNI was as good as we were during his years - at times - was due to him. He has the all time FCS completion % record. Without a WR fubling a ball against UD in 2007 UNI likely wins that game - heck without going away from the run game that completely demolished that UD defense in the first half UNI wins that game. If the left tackle against ASU in the NC game in 05 doesn't get beat like he didn't move off the LOS Eric doesn't get hit from the blind side and fumble the ball.

Eric Sanders belongs on the list. Is he *the best*? No. Is he top 5-7? Yes

[Appaholic]

The fact UNI didn't win a NC while Sanders was here had nothing to do with Sanders...the only reason UNI was as good as we were during his years - at times - was due to him. He has the all time FCS completion % record. Without a WR fubling a ball against UD in 2007 UNI likely wins that game - heck without going away from the run game that completely demolished that UD defense in the first half UNI wins that game. If the left tackle against ASU in the NC game in 05 doesn't get beat like he didn't move off the LOS Eric doesn't get hit from the blind side and fumble the ball.

Eric Sanders belongs on the list. Is he *the best*? No. Is he top 5-7? Yes

Definitely not top 5. DD is better, AE is better, Ham is better, McNair is better, multiple UD QB's are better...he might be in top 10 all time...

[DJH]

Eric Sanders got robbed in that Payton voting in '07.

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[UNI88]

The fact UNI didn't win a NC while Sanders was here had nothing to do with Sanders...the only reason UNI was as good as we were during his years - at times - was due to him. He has the all time FCS completion % record. Without a WR fubling a ball against UD in 2007 UNI likely wins that game - heck without going away from the run game that completely demolished that UD defense in the first half UNI wins that game. If the left tackle against ASU in the NC game in 05 doesn't get beat like he didn't move off the LOS Eric doesn't get hit from the blind side and fumble the ball.

Eric Sanders belongs on the list. Is he *the best*? No. Is he top 5-7? Yes

Definitely not top 5. DD is better, AE is better, Ham is better, McNair is better, multiple UD QB's are better...he might be in top 10 all time...

I agree w/ Appa, Sanders was a great FCS QB and might be top 10 all time. Sanders had some major accomplishments: 4 year starter, 40+ wins, 69% completion record, etc. I'm extremely happy that he was a Panther but I don't think his physical skills were at the same level as the greatest FCS QBs. If Ham was the QB when the LT got beat he would have stepped, turned sideways or something and the DE (Hunter I believe but maybe Murrell) would have grazed him or hit air. Another what-if in that game is what if Richie Williams hadn't come in? He is another QB who had the "it" factor. When he came in you could sense that the ASU players believed they were going to win.

[Appaholic]

Eric Sanders got robbed in that Payton voting in '07.

Over Foster? Sanders accomplished his numbers in an inferior conference relative to Foster...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Eric Sanders got robbed in that Payton voting in '07.

Over Foster? Sanders accomplished his numbers in a weak league relative to Foster...

Agreed for the most part but I don't cotton to the big difference in leagues. I would have to say the SoCon was tougher but not by a wide margin. That said, I would still have went with Foster if he had played in the MVFC and Sanders in the Socon anyway.

[Appaholic]

Over Foster? Sanders accomplished his numbers in a weak league relative to Foster...

Agreed for the most part but I don't cotton to the big difference in leagues. I would have to say the SoCon was tougher but not by a wide margin. That said, I would still have went with Foster if he had played in the MVFC and Sanders in the Socon anyway.

Agree. The mere fact that Foster played in the SoCon and Sanders in the MVFC should be all the proof who is the better talent...

[blueballs]

Eric Sanders got robbed in that Payton voting in '07.

Over the player who set the all time collegiate record for rushing yards by a QB in an 11 game season???? Okay.........

[UNI88]

Agreed for the most part but I don't cotton to the big difference in leagues. I would have to say the SoCon was tougher but not by a wide margin. That said, I would still have went with Foster if he had played in the MVFC and Sanders in the Socon anyway.

Agree. The mere fact that Foster played in the SoCon and Sanders in the MVFC should be all the proof who is the better talent...

Pardon me but I thought we were talking about the best actual QBs not RBs who by some accident of fate happened to play the QB position.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Agree. The mere fact that Foster played in the SoCon and Sanders in the MVFC should be all the proof who is the better talent...

Pardon me but I thought we were talking about the best actual QBs not RBs who by some accident of fate happened to play the QB position.

88, you set yourself up too easy there my man.

[UNI88]

Pardon me but I thought we were talking about the best actual QBs not RBs who by some accident of fate happened to play the QB position.

88, you set yourself up too easy there my man.

Just following Appa's lead and throwing a little more fuel on the fire to liven up the discussion.

[clenz]

So that year there was a running back who played QB...and the QB who is the most accurate passer in NCAA FCS history....

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

88, you set yourself up too easy there my man.

Just following Appa's lead and throwing a little more fuel on the fire to liven up the discussion.

I figured you were.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Is Joe Montana considered by many to be the greatest Pro QB of all time? Was Joe as physically talented as Dan Marino? No but he had that "it" factor that helped him lead teams to championships. IMO, Ham, AE & DD all had that "it" factor that separates them from the others. I think Eric Sanders had that "it" factor as well but he wasn't as physically talented enough to get his team over the top like the other three.

Joe Montana wasn't better than Dan Marino because of any "it factor," he was better because was he was more accurate & threw fewer interceptions. Montana's career QB rating was about 6 points higher than Marino's.

[Appaholic]

So that year there was a running back who played QB...and the QB who is the most accurate passer in NCAA FCS history....

Hey, completing 67% of your passes ain't no big deal when you throw 3 passes a game....in an inferior league...

[Appaholic]

Agree. The mere fact that Foster played in the SoCon and Sanders in the MVFC should be all the proof who is the better talent...

Pardon me but I thought we were talking about the best actual QBs not RBs who by some accident of fate happened to play the QB position.

Well played, my good man..

[clenz]

Dave Dickenson
1,015-1,477 (68.7%)
13,486 yards (13.2 ypc)
116touchdowns
26 interceptions
98.78 efficiency

Armanti Edwards
511-802 (63.7%)
7,101 yards (13.89 ypc)
62touchdowns
26 interceptions
157.12 efficiency
755 rushes
4,361 yards (5.8 yards per carry)
65 touchdowns

Joe Flacco
596-942 (63.2%)
7,057 yards (11.84 ypc)
41 touchdowns
15 interceptions
137.38 efficiency

Neil Lomax
936-1,606 (58.2%)
13,220 yards (14.12 ypc)
106 touchdowns
55 interceptions
80.13 efficiency

Steve McNair
927-1,680 (55.1%)
14,496 yards (15.63 ypc)
119 touchdowns
58 interceptions
72.94 efficiency
375 rushes
2,237 yards (5.4 ypc)
152 touchdowns

Tony Romo
584-941 (62.0%)
8,212 yards (14.06 ypc)
85 touchdowns
36 interceptions
157.52 efficiency

Eric Sanders
714-1,026 (69.8%) (75.2% as a senior on 315 attempts)
9,012 yards (12.62 ypc)
69 touchdowns
23 interceptions
161.08 rating



So I took the list that we have to vote from, added Eric Sanders (I was going to add Rich Gannon as he was the other one that has been widely discussed but I can’t find his college stats), and compiled their stats to match them up head to head.

I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Armanti Edwards
2. Tony Romo
3. Steve McNair
4. Eric Sanders
5. Dave Dickenson
6. Joe Flacco (tough to rate as he only had 2 seasons, very well could be higher)
7. Neil Lomax

Dickenson and Lomax had great looking numbers, but were clearly in a pass happy offense, and weren’t efficient at all. Armanti and McNair brought another dimension to the game that made it almost impossible to plan for them. Flacco very well could be higher, but with only 2 years of PT at the FCS level (he threw 4 passes his first year at UD so I don’t really count that). Sanders is by far the most accurate and efficient passer on the list.

I would like to add Rich Gannon and Jayson Foster to the list but I struggled finding stats for them like I wanted too. Granted I didn’t really look for Foster as I don’t believe he threw the ball much and I would have a hard time adding him as a QB.

[UNI88]

So that year there was a running back who played QB...and the QB who is the most accurate passer in NCAA FCS history....

The Payton is based on that year's results. There is not doubt that Sanders' collegiate career was more successful than Foster's but Foster had a pretty damn good single year and was a worthy Payton winner. Sanders had a good year as well and you can have a legitimate argument but it isn't cut and dried that Sanders should have won the Payton.