Do you consider Youngstown State an elite FCS program?

[JBB]

I think some of you are forgetting this is a ranking system. Right now the system has the elite programs rangked like this:

1) Montana 24/25
2) NDSU 23/24
3) YSU 20
4) UNI 20
5) SIU 19
6) EWU 17
7) SUU 15

[grizzaholic]

So....because Montana makes the playoffs 17 years straight...12 straight BSC titles...and they finally miss out they are on a decline? WOW.

NDSU finally finished over .500 last season....they can finally talk shit.

This is why I don't like to talk to re'tards. It brings you down to their level and then they kick your ass with experience.

[ArmyOfDarkness]

JBB do you really think that ndsu's recent history is anywhere near the GRIZ's

I can't believe you honestly think this crap, and rate your recent success a 5 over the GRIZ's 4 (on your asinine scale of ranking). You even stated the last five years as recent...

It's to easy...TO EASY!!!!!!!

In the past 5 years NDSU has been very successful. They have only been playoff eligible for 2 years and already have 1 run to the third round of the playoffs in the game that gave the FCS a black-eye.

In the years they weren't eligible the BISON achieved several long runs @ #!. Won the GWFC. Beat a number of BCS/FBS squads and generally became one of the nations top 10 teams and #1 in the MVFC pre season for this year.

Where-as NDSUs trend line is up, Montana has a line trending down.

Show me the evidence of "trending" down? Define it with your response as well.

(If Montana is "trending" down, this has been the best trend ever set BTW )

[DJH]

I think some of you are forgetting this is a ranking system. Right now the system has the elite programs rangked like this:

1) Montana 24/25
2) NDSU 23/24
3) YSU 20
4) UNI 20
5) SIU 19
6) EWU 17
7) SUU 15

[grizzaholic]

I think some of you are forgetting this is a ranking system. Right now the system has the elite programs rangked like this:

1) Montana 24/25
2) NDSU 23/24
3) YSU 20
4) UNI 20
5) SIU 19
6) EWU 17
7) SUU 15

I already broke down NDSU and I got 265... Not sure how he came up with 23.

[JBB]

Montanas recent success trend line is down:

EVIDENCE:
In the playoffs 2009 Line at a high point
out of the playoffs 2010 line at a lower point

CONCLUSION: Trend line down

[clenz]

Montanas recent success trend line is down:

EVIDENCE:
In the playoffs 2009 Line at a high point
out of the playoffs 2010 line at a lower point

CONCLUSION: Trend line down

NDSU ended last season with a loss....they are trending downward as well.

[JBB]

I already broke down NDSU and I got 265... Not sure how he came up with 23.

You ADDED PIE you knucklehead! your mathematics are invalid but your conclusion is correct. NDSU is one of the elite programs in the division.

[grizzaholic]

Montanas recent success trend line is down:

EVIDENCE:
In the playoffs 2009 Line at a high point
out of the playoffs 2010 line at a lower point

CONCLUSION: Trend line down

NDSU ended last season with a loss....they are trending downward as well.

It was a false loss though. Didn't count.

[grizzaholic]

I already broke down NDSU and I got 265... Not sure how he came up with 23.

You ADDED PIE you knucklehead! your mathematics are invalid but your conclusion is correct. NDSU is one of the elite programs in the division.

mmmmmmmmm

[clenz]

NDSU ended last season with a loss....they are trending downward as well.

It was a false loss though. Didn't count.

So their loss to UNI doesn't count, because....well I'm not sure why, but I've been told so. Their loss vs EWU doesn't count. Their win vs Kansas should count as 13.....

[JBB]

Montanas recent success trend line is down:

EVIDENCE:
In the playoffs 2009 Line at a high point
out of the playoffs 2010 line at a lower point

CONCLUSION: Trend line down

NDSU ended last season with a loss....they are trending downward as well.

A playoff loss is much higher on the scale giving the NDSU recent success trend line a "flatter" slope than the steep drop-off shown by the Montana recent success trend line. CONCLUSION: NDSU +5 Montana +4

[ArmyOfDarkness]

That's some great trend evidence ya got there.... How can I argue with that.

I bet you could make something in Paint for us to see as well. Surely someone as talented and knowledgeable as you could illustrate this for us ...

[JayJ79]

I bet you could make something in Paint for us to see as well. Surely someone as talented and knowledgeable as you could illustrate this for us ...

pie chart?

[grizzaholic]

I bet you could make something in Paint for us to see as well. Surely someone as talented and knowledgeable as you could illustrate this for us ...

pie chart?

Who doesn't like pie. I am pretty sure it is unAmerican to not like pie....Trip gets a pass.

[ArmyOfDarkness]

^^^ nice play sir, nice...

EDIT - Sniped by Grizza

[JBB]

It was a false loss though. Didn't count.

So their loss to UNI doesn't count, because....well I'm not sure why, but I've been told so. Their loss vs EWU doesn't count. Their win vs Kansas should count as 13.....

Gentleman! Gentleman! Both losses were ruled "circumstantial". Certainly you understand that!

[grizzaholic]

^^^ nice play sir, nice...

EDIT - Sniped by Grizza

So do I still get credit?

[ArmyOfDarkness]

^^^ nice play sir, nice...

EDIT - Sniped by Grizza

So do I still get credit?

15 Points + Attendance of all watching + total post count + avg females in your stadium + ingredients to cherry pie (or apple) - avg men in your stadium / JBB x lakesbison = a perfect score

Well done sir

[grizzaholic]

So do I still get credit?

15 Points + Attendance of all watching + total post count + avg females in your stadium + ingredients to cherry pie (or apple) - avg men in your stadium / JBB x lakesbison = a perfect score

Well done sir

[JBB]

I think some of you are forgetting this is a ranking system. Right now, for the programs analyzed so far, the system has the elite programs ranked like this:

UPDATED LIST:

1) Montana 24/25
2) NDSU 23/24
3) YSU 20
4) UNI 20
5) SIU 19
6) EWU 17
7) SDSU 16
8) SUU 15

SDSU:

1) attendance _+3
2) overall tradition +3
3) quality of facilities +3
4) recent success +3
5) competitiveness +4 = 16

I would say the top 3 in the above list of schools analyzed so far are the elite programs.

[ArmyOfDarkness]

So their loss to UNI doesn't count, because....well I'm not sure why, but I've been told so. Their loss vs EWU doesn't count. Their win vs Kansas should count as 13.....

Gentleman! Gentleman! Both losses were ruled "circumstantial". Certainly you understand that!

Same argument, different circumstances...

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[JBB]

I think some of you are forgetting this is a ranking system. Right now the system has the elite programs ranked like this from the programs analyzed so far:


UPDATED ELITE RANKING:

1) Montana 24/25
2) NDSU 23/24
3) GSU 21
4) YSU 20
5) UNI 20
6) SIU 19
7) EWU 17
8) SUU 15

GSU:

1) attendance +5
2) overall tradition +5
3) quality of facilities +5
4) recent success +3
5) competitiveness +3 = 21

Too bad about that NDSU cancellation and the huge loss they suffered at home at the hands of the BISON. Its unrealistic, knowing those facts, to rate them any higher than 3 on competitiveness is unrealistic.

[FargoBison]

Wait, JBB didn't rank NDSU as the most elite...Is that a typo?

[GannonFan]

You can put an asterisk by 1963 as well since you shared it with UNI.

Eh, split national titles were obviously more common back in the day of wire service rankings. I don't see a problem with the 1963 title - just part of the system back then. And the UNI was Northern Illinois, not Northern Iowa.