#2 EWU at #14 MSU Game Thread

[Grizalltheway]

Inconsistent play from an inexperienced O-line, and 3 of our 4 games have been against decent-to-great defenses. We'll see how things develop in conference play.

[EWURanger]

Inconsistent play from an inexperienced O-line, and 3 of our 4 games have been against decent-to-great defenses. We'll see how things develop in conference play.

I agree. It is strange, but if you take out the sub-DI games, it seems like all the teams EWU has played are good offensive teams, but not so great defensively, whereas Montana seems to have played the opposite.

[SACCAT]

Inconsistent play from an inexperienced O-line, and 3 of our 4 games have been against decent-to-great defenses. We'll see how things develop in conference play.

I agree. It is strange, but if you take out the sub-DI games, it seems like all the teams EWU has played are good offensive teams, but not so great defensively, whereas Montana seems to have played the opposite.

Things that EWU, MSU, UM can agree on

1) UM has a great Defense

2) EWU, MSU have great Offense

3) EWU plays a conference game against UM

4) MSU will piss down their leg in at least one conference game BEFORE Um.

5) Cats are the greatest team ever and EW was LUCKY to win because of the refs.

There...everything is now clear and we can all move on to playoff seating talks.

[kalm]

I agree. It is strange, but if you take out the sub-DI games, it seems like all the teams EWU has played are good offensive teams, but not so great defensively, whereas Montana seems to have played the opposite.

Things that EWU, MSU, UM can agree on

1) UM has a great Defense

2) EWU, MSU have great Offense

3) EWU plays a conference game against UM

4) MSU will piss down their leg in at least one conference game BEFORE Um.

5) Cats are the greatest team ever and EW was LUCKY to win because of the refs.

There...everything is now clear and we can all move on to playoff seating talks.

The BSC gets three seeds, three spots in the semi's, and an all BSC final.

The Hornets win their first chipper.

The entire city of Frisco runs out of grenadine and maraschino cherries.

[YoUDeeMan]

C'mon, you guys can't be serious that you think Montana has a great defense, do you?

Cripes, they gave up 280 yards rushing, NDSU ate up the clock for 39+ minutes, 75% completion rate, NDSU got 24 first downs, only 2 punts...and I could go on and on. Great defense? No way.

Sure, the Griz held on at times and only gave up FGs, but that wasn't a great defense by any means. Near the end, the Griz has 16 guys in the box and NDSU was still moving the ball. If they play again, NDSU will win by 20+.

[Robsnotes4u]

C'mon, you guys can't be serious that you think Montana has a great defense, do you?

Cripes, they gave up 280 yards rushing, NDSU ate up the clock for 39+ minutes, 75% completion rate, NDSU got 24 first downs, only 2 punts...and I could go on and on. Great defense? No way.

Sure, the Griz held on at times and only gave up FGs, but that wasn't a great defense by any means. Near the end, the Griz has 16 guys in the box and NDSU was still moving the ball. If they play again, NDSU will win by 20+.

Shhh, I will whisper so they don't hear, in a whisper tone, they don't do well with facts, their critical faculty of the conscious mind bounces that stuff like a rubber ball on a hard floor, strong belief system. But I figured it out on Egriz as someone said that Wyoming has a legit defense this year.

And FAU is a decent C-USA team.

And no one is scoring on Wyo. Their D is legit.

I knew MSU and EWU had legit defenses

Oregon scored 48 points and gave up 556 yards and Lockie came in for Mariota with around 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, plus went 9/11 on third down.

ok, back to regular voice. Yep Montana was awesome in their defense!

[kalm]

C'mon, you guys can't be serious that you think Montana has a great defense, do you?

Cripes, they gave up 280 yards rushing, NDSU ate up the clock for 39+ minutes, 75% completion rate, NDSU got 24 first downs, only 2 punts...and I could go on and on. Great defense? No way.

Sure, the Griz held on at times and only gave up FGs, but that wasn't a great defense by any means. Near the end, the Griz has 16 guys in the box and NDSU was still moving the ball. If they play again, NDSU will win by 20+.

Shhh, I will whisper so they don't hear, in a whisper tone, they don't do well with facts, their critical faculty of the conscious mind bounces that stuff like a rubber ball on a hard floor, strong belief system. But I figured it out on Egriz as someone said that Wyoming has a legit defense this year.

I knew MSU and EWU had legit defenses

Oregon scored 48 points and gave up 556 yards and Lockie came in for Mariota with around 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, plus went 9/11 on third down.

ok, back to regular voice. Yep Montana was awesome in their defense!

They may not be great, but they are holding their opponents to under 20 ppg.

[Grizalltheway]

Shhh, I will whisper so they don't hear, in a whisper tone, they don't do well with facts, their critical faculty of the conscious mind bounces that stuff like a rubber ball on a hard floor, strong belief system. But I figured it out on Egriz as someone said that Wyoming has a legit defense this year.



ok, back to regular voice. Yep Montana was awesome in their defense!

They may not be great, but they are holding their opponents to under 20 ppg.

This. Our defense is good, NDSU's is great. We gave up a bunch of rushing yards, but what team hasn't against them the last couple of years? Bottom line, they held them to few enough points to give our offense a chance to keep up, and they failed to do that.

[kalm]

They may not be great, but they are holding their opponents to under 20 ppg.

This. Our defense is good, NDSU's is great. We gave up a bunch of rushing yards, but what team hasn't against them the last couple of years? Bottom line, they held them to few enough points to give our offense a chance to keep up, and they failed to do that.

And it's not as if you've played a weak schedule.

[Robsnotes4u]

They may not be great, but they are holding their opponents to under 20 ppg.

This. Our defense is good, NDSU's is great. We gave up a bunch of rushing yards, but what team hasn't against them the last couple of years? Bottom line, they held them to few enough points to give our offense a chance to keep up, and they failed to do that.

Yes they were able to keep them out of the endzone except for one TD, which is a great job, but couldn't keep them off the score board. Some will say it was play calling by the Bison, some will say it was defense by the Griz. My perception is it was a little bit of both. Hard to believe both ends. (1) the Bison control the game moving it easy between the 20s but cant in the redzone. (2) the Griz get run over, but tighten up in the redzone.

Don't think the Griz defense is great but, they did what they needed to do in the redzone. Got to give them credit for that, whether it was either play calling or defense.

So they gave up 22 points and around 450 yards to the #26 ranked scoring offense in the FCS. The question becomes how do they do with two teams in the top 15? Especially when the Griz Scoring Offense isn't even in the top 50.

A lot of time between now and November when EWU and MSU games are. Time to mature, gel, and for injuries. Good be a good story, or not so good. Time will tell.

[AZGrizFan]

This. Our defense is good, NDSU's is great. We gave up a bunch of rushing yards, but what team hasn't against them the last couple of years? Bottom line, they held them to few enough points to give our offense a chance to keep up, and they failed to do that.

Yes they were able to keep them out of the endzone except for one TD, which is a great job, but couldn't keep them off the score board. Some will say it was play calling by the Bison, some will say it was defense by the Griz. My perception is it was a little bit of both. Hard to believe both ends. (1) the Bison control the game moving it easy between the 20s but cant in the redzone. (2) the Griz get run over, but tighten up in the redzone.

Don't think the Griz defense is great but, they did what they needed to do in the redzone. Got to give them credit for that, whether it was either play calling or defense.

So they gave up 22 points and around 450 yards to the #26 ranked scoring offense in the FCS. The question becomes how do they do with two teams in the top 15? Especially when the Griz Scoring Offense isn't even in the top 50.

A lot of time between now and November when EWU and MSU games are. Time to mature, gel, and for injuries. Good be a good story, or not so good. Time will tell.

Fortunately those two top 15 offenses don't have the #1 defense in the country.

[Robsnotes4u]

Yes they were able to keep them out of the endzone except for one TD, which is a great job, but couldn't keep them off the score board. Some will say it was play calling by the Bison, some will say it was defense by the Griz. My perception is it was a little bit of both. Hard to believe both ends. (1) the Bison control the game moving it easy between the 20s but cant in the redzone. (2) the Griz get run over, but tighten up in the redzone.

Don't think the Griz defense is great but, they did what they needed to do in the redzone. Got to give them credit for that, whether it was either play calling or defense.

So they gave up 22 points and around 450 yards to the #26 ranked scoring offense in the FCS. The question becomes how do they do with two teams in the top 15? Especially when the Griz Scoring Offense isn't even in the top 50.

A lot of time between now and November when EWU and MSU games are. Time to mature, gel, and for injuries. Good be a good story, or not so good. Time will tell.

Fortunately those two top 15 offenses don't have the #1 defense in the country.

No kidding. Problem the best in the BSC is ranked 34, the Griz in total defense.

I would take the #2 or #14 offense over #34 defense anyday

On the other side of the coin you have both the *2 and #14 offenses not showing up in the top 50 defenses.

Likewise the #34 defense doesn't crack the top 50 offenses

One side of the coin is easy to pick, the other is an unknown

Lots of time to figure it out and until the game comes around nobody knows

[Grizalltheway]

I believe the cats had a top 5 or 10 offense in 2011, and they scored a grand total of 10 points against us.

But I guess that doesn't count since it was 3 years ago.

[AZGrizFan]

Fortunately those two top 15 offenses don't have the #1 defense in the country.

No kidding. Problem the best in the BSC is ranked 34, the Griz in total defense.

I would take the #2 or #14 offense over #34 defense anyday

On the other side of the coin you have both the *2 and #14 offenses not showing up in the top 50 defenses.

Likewise the #34 defense doesn't crack the top 50 offenses

One side of the coin is easy to pick, the other is an unknown

Lots of time to figure it out and until the game comes around nobody knows

Of course you would...you're a troll posing as a Griz fan looking for a reaction.

[Robsnotes4u]

No kidding. Problem the best in the BSC is ranked 34, the Griz in total defense.

I would take the #2 or #14 offense over #34 defense anyday

On the other side of the coin you have both the *2 and #14 offenses not showing up in the top 50 defenses.

Likewise the #34 defense doesn't crack the top 50 offenses

One side of the coin is easy to pick, the other is an unknown

Lots of time to figure it out and until the game comes around nobody knows

Of course you would...you're a troll posing as a Griz fan looking for a reaction.

No, you are Reverse Trolling for not being able to reply with anything other than calling me a troll. You can't have an intelligent conversation based on fact, come and find me when you grow a brain.

[AZGrizFan]

Of course you would...you're a troll posing as a Griz fan looking for a reaction.

No, you are Reverse Trolling for not being able to reply with anything other than calling me a troll. You can't have an intelligent conversation based on fact, come and find me when you grow a brain.

I tell ya, it's like shooting fish in a barrel with you.

And you should go look up what "fact" means.

[Robsnotes4u]

I believe the cats had a top 5 or 10 offense in 2011, and they scored a grand total of 10 points against us.

But I guess that doesn't count since it was 3 years ago.

Correct, it has no bearing on this year, but a Great job by the Griz, kicked the Cats asses in that one. What was the Griz defense ranked? Probably pretty high, better than todays ranking. That was a wild game to watch at the Griz/Cat party in Fargo. Fun had by all, during and after the game. Good thing about the Cat/Griz game here, respect for both teams, and cheer for each other when they aren't playing. Hell my wife even worked in the Alum booth for the Cats in Grand Forks last year, and she runs the Griz party here with DJ.

Who knows what the teams will be like come November. Records? Injuries? What will be on the line? Weather? Kind of like polls, right now none of means anything. Just good for discussion.

The real season starts now, comparison can be made after like opponents are played. Too bad the BSC is as large as it is, hate that not everybody plays everyone.

[kalm]

I believe the cats had a top 5 or 10 offense in 2011, and they scored a grand total of 10 points against us.

But I guess that doesn't count since it was 3 years ago.

Correct, it has no bearing on this year, but a Great job by the Griz, kicked the Cats asses in that one. What was the Griz defense ranked? Probably pretty high, better than todays ranking. That was a wild game to watch at the Griz/Cat party in Fargo. Fun had by all, during and after the game. Good thing about the Cat/Griz game here, respect for both teams, and cheer for each other when they aren't playing. Hell my wife even worked in the Alum booth for the Cats in Grand Forks last year, and she runs the Griz party here with DJ.

Who knows what the teams will be like come November. Records? Injuries? What will be on the line? Weather? Kind of like polls, right now none of means anything. Just good for discussion.

The real season starts now, comparison can be made after like opponents are played. Too bad the BSC is as large as it is, hate that not everybody plays everyone.

Speaking of comparisons, you might not want to put all of your eggs in the defensive and offensive rankings basket just yet. There's a wide variance in OOC schedules and playing styles differ from conference to conference. EG: The MEAC plays great defense but does anyone in the conference play offense? We hear every year how Eastern's Offense is over rated because no one in the BSC plays defense and then BSC teams hang 40+ on MVFC teams in the playoffs (with the exception of NDSU of course)

[EWURanger]

Speaking of comparisons, you might not want to put all of your eggs in the defensive and offensive rankings basket just yet. There's a wide variance in OOC schedules and playing styles differ from conference to conference. EG: The MEAC plays great defense but does anyone in the conference play offense? We hear every year how Eastern's Offense is over rated because no one in the BSC plays defense and then BSC teams hang 40+ on MVFC teams in the playoffs (with the exception of NDSU of course)

Yeah, we were only able to score 38 on them.

On another note, I thought EWU was #1 in total offense, but it appears Yale put up 683 yards of offense and 54 points in their only game so far (Lehigh).

[Robsnotes4u]

Correct, it has no bearing on this year, but a Great job by the Griz, kicked the Cats asses in that one. What was the Griz defense ranked? Probably pretty high, better than todays ranking. That was a wild game to watch at the Griz/Cat party in Fargo. Fun had by all, during and after the game. Good thing about the Cat/Griz game here, respect for both teams, and cheer for each other when they aren't playing. Hell my wife even worked in the Alum booth for the Cats in Grand Forks last year, and she runs the Griz party here with DJ.

Who knows what the teams will be like come November. Records? Injuries? What will be on the line? Weather? Kind of like polls, right now none of means anything. Just good for discussion.

The real season starts now, comparison can be made after like opponents are played. Too bad the BSC is as large as it is, hate that not everybody plays everyone.

Speaking of comparisons, you might not want to put all of your eggs in the defensive and offensive rankings basket just yet. There's a wide variance in OOC schedules and playing styles differ from conference to conference. EG: The MEAC plays great defense but does anyone in the conference play offense? We hear every year how Eastern's Offense is over rated because no one in the BSC plays defense and then BSC teams hang 40+ on MVFC teams in the playoffs (with the exception of NDSU of course)

I agree, pretty hard to tell right now, when you don't know much about teams. A lot teams have what are thought of as big OOC wins in the first couple of games to find out the teams aren't what they were they year before. Everything is skewed early. Just gives people things to talk about.

Main reason I don't get bent out of shape on polls. I do like Massey as it really changes each week depending on the results of everyones games.

Good thing everything isn't static, or there would be no reason to watch through the year.

[Robsnotes4u]

Speaking of comparisons, you might not want to put all of your eggs in the defensive and offensive rankings basket just yet. There's a wide variance in OOC schedules and playing styles differ from conference to conference. EG: The MEAC plays great defense but does anyone in the conference play offense? We hear every year how Eastern's Offense is over rated because no one in the BSC plays defense and then BSC teams hang 40+ on MVFC teams in the playoffs (with the exception of NDSU of course)

Yeah, we were only able to score 38 on them.

On another note, I thought EWU was #1 in total offense, but it appears Yale put up 683 yards of offense and 54 points in their only game so far (Lehigh).

yep.

saw that, big numbers

[cats2506]

Shhh, I will whisper so they don't hear, in a whisper tone, they don't do well with facts, their critical faculty of the conscious mind bounces that stuff like a rubber ball on a hard floor, strong belief system. But I figured it out on Egriz as someone said that Wyoming has a legit defense this year.



ok, back to regular voice. Yep Montana was awesome in their defense!

They may not be great, but they are holding their opponents to under 20 ppg.

Average

If you look at the teams they have played and throw out the lower division teams (incarnate word too)
the combined average of the offense's that UM has played is 20.9 PPG, since UM's average is about the same that would indicate that UMs defense is only average

[kalm]

They may not be great, but they are holding their opponents to under 20 ppg.

Average

If you look at the teams they have played and throw out the lower division teams (incarnate word too)
the combined average of the offense's that UM has played is 20.9 PPG, since UM's average is about the same that would indicate that UMs defense is only average

True, but Wyoming has plaid Air Force and Oregon during that stretch which aren't terrible defenses. South Dakota also played Oregon, and scored 28 against NAU. Then there's NDSU…

I'm not exactly sure how you came up with that number.

[Robsnotes4u]

Average

If you look at the teams they have played and throw out the lower division teams (incarnate word too)
the combined average of the offense's that UM has played is 20.9 PPG, since UM's average is about the same that would indicate that UMs defense is only average

True, but Wyoming has plaid Air Force and Oregon during that stretch which aren't terrible defenses. South Dakota also played Oregon, and scored 28 against NAU. Then there's NDSU…

I'm not exactly sure how you came up with that number.

Wyo 17 vs Griz
Wyo 17 vs AF
Wyo 14 vs Oregon
USD 13 vs Oregon
USD 20 vs Griz
USD 28 vs NAU
NDSU 34 vs ISU
NDSU 24 vs WSU
NDSU 22 vs Griz

189 total points divided by 9 equals 21 points per game

[cats2506]

True, but Wyoming has plaid Air Force and Oregon during that stretch which aren't terrible defenses. South Dakota also played Oregon, and scored 28 against NAU. Then there's NDSU…

I'm not exactly sure how you came up with that number.

Wyo 17 vs Griz
Wyo 17 vs AF
Wyo 14 vs Oregon
USD 13 vs Oregon
USD 20 vs Griz
USD 28 vs NAU
NDSU 34 vs ISU
NDSU 24 vs WSU
NDSU 22 vs Griz

189 total points divided by 9 equals 21 points per game

+
Wyo 20 vs FAU

= 20.9 PPG avg