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Sep. 4 at Albion 1:00 PM
Sep. 11 at Youngstown State 4:00 PM
Sep. 18 Taylor (Ind.) 1:00 PM
Sep. 25 at San Diego * TBA
Oct. 2 Campbell * 12:00 PM
Oct. 9 at Davidson * 12:00 PM
Oct. 16 Dayton * 1:00 PM
Oct. 23 Morehead State * Homecoming 1:00 PM
Oct. 30 at Valparaiso * 2:00 PM
Nov. 6 Jacksonville * 12:00 PM
Nov. 13 at Drake * 2:00 PM

Good luck in the Final Four!! All (most?) of the FCS community is pulling for you!!!

I don't know much about Taylor, but I do know they have a sweet media guide.

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What's the excuse for this schedule?

Pretty poor OOC schedule for a team that wants to be taken seriously by the FCS world.

AT a DIII school, and a NAIA school at home...

Dane96 wrote:What's the excuse for this schedule?

(Please see the dozens of other threads on this board and others that discuss this issue ad nauseum.)

Ummm...thanks Coach L...but this more than the proper place to lambast another shitty scheduling job by a school that keeps on keepin with NAIA's.

Dane96 wrote:Ummm...thanks Coach L...but this more than the proper place to lambast another shitty scheduling job by a school that keeps on keepin with NAIA's.

Whatever floats your boat.

Oh my god! Butler actually scheduled a DI team out of conference!




First time since 2006…

And they are going to get annihilated by Youngstown State.

guinzone wrote:And they are going to get annihilated by Youngstown State.

Wow, keep dreaming.... First year coach, new system, coming off a let's just say a somewhat less than stellar season.... Butler will give YSU all they can handle and frankly, if the play well at all on defense, they have a good chance to win this game.

By the way, for all of you relatively low IQ FCS fans out there, this year's Butler schedule complies 100% with the rules of the NCAA! IF Butler runs the table with this schedule, expect an at large bid to the playoffs!

I just have to assume the whining is more envy that Butler, in addition to now having a very good football team, also has a FINAL FOUR baskeball team! Looks to me like the AD at Butler is doing something right. Maybe you should have your sorry AD's convince your universities to complete a study on how Butler football and baskeball became so succesful so that your AD's might actually learn how to run a department.

Especially funny to see Albany fans trying to hammer Butler's schedule. If I recall correctly, and I do, Albany with their so called "above average" schedule could not even win the weak NEC conference. Butler, with a "schedule reported to be weak", took care of the NEC champion CCSU in the Gridiron Classic, as did two other PFL teams while that bowl game existed....

Frankly, it will be downright great when YSU loses to both CCSU and Butler this year!

DetroitFlyer wrote:

guinzone wrote:And they are going to get annihilated by Youngstown State.

Wow, keep dreaming.... First year coach, new system, coming off a let's just say a somewhat less than stellar season.... Butler will give YSU all they can handle and frankly, if the play well at all on defense, they have a good chance to win this game.

Check the GPI, Flyer. Butler won 11 games and finished #65. On the other side, YSU finished nearly 30 spots higher in a year in which their coach got fired. On top of that, with the exceptions of perennial losers WIU, Ind. St., and Peay, every other team on YSU's schedule finished with a higher GPI than Butler. Further, facing a new coach with a new system that early in the season also presents just as many problems for the opposing team since no one will really know what new-look YSU team, well, looks like. If YSU doesn't beat Butler handily then the Pens would be better served to forfeit the rest of the year and start practicing for '11.

DetroitFlyer wrote: IF Butler runs the table with this schedule, expect an at large bid to the playoffs!

Talk about dreaming. #65 is not the GPI of a playoff team.

Libertine wrote:

DetroitFlyer wrote:
Wow, keep dreaming.... First year coach, new system, coming off a let's just say a somewhat less than stellar season.... Butler will give YSU all they can handle and frankly, if the play well at all on defense, they have a good chance to win this game.

Check the GPI, Flyer. Butler won 11 games and finished #65. On the other side, YSU finished nearly 30 spots higher in a year in which their coach got fired. On top of that, with the exceptions of perennial losers WIU, Ind. St., and Peay, every other team on YSU's schedule finished with a higher GPI than Butler. Further, facing a new coach with a new system that early in the season also presents just as many problems for the opposing team since no one will really know what new-look YSU team, well, looks like. If YSU doesn't beat Butler handily then the Pens would be better served to forfeit the rest of the year and start practicing for '11.

DetroitFlyer wrote: IF Butler runs the table with this schedule, expect an at large bid to the playoffs!

Talk about dreaming. #65 is not the GPI of a playoff team.

Yeah, because we all know the GPI is so accurate.... Let me say again, the PFL won three of four GIC's. Now, going into the game each season, which team's conference had a higher GPI?

Butler will bring back an experienced team while YSU will be struggling to learn a new system. I'm sure YSU figured an "easy" game with Butler would be a good way to transition into the new system.... I can't wait to hear the shock when Butler pushes YSU to the limit and maybe even wins this game. How sweet it will be....

I suggest that based on your thoughts, YSU should start planning to forfeit the 2010 campaign and begin planning for 2011!

11-0 with that schedule will not make the playoffs. Sorry, but wins over a D-III and a NAIA will not cut it.

And note, I would like to see the PFL champ in the playoffs, but as an auto-bid.

I don't think its a horrendous schedule for Butler, but it isn't a schedule that's worthy of an at-large.

That's the facts. It doesn't appear that Butler is really worried about getting an at-large though. I just don't want to hear any crybabying if Butler goes 11-0 and doesn't get a bid.

DetroitFlyer wrote:

guinzone wrote:And they are going to get annihilated by Youngstown State.

Wow, keep dreaming.... First year coach, new system, coming off a let's just say a somewhat less than stellar season.... Butler will give YSU all they can handle and frankly, if the play well at all on defense, they have a good chance to win this game.

By the way, for all of you relatively low IQ FCS fans out there, this year's Butler schedule complies 100% with the rules of the NCAA! IF Butler runs the table with this schedule, expect an at large bid to the playoffs!

I just have to assume the whining is more envy that Butler, in addition to now having a very good football team, also has a FINAL FOUR baskeball team! Looks to me like the AD at Butler is doing something right. Maybe you should have your sorry AD's convince your universities to complete a study on how Butler football and baskeball became so succesful so that your AD's might actually learn how to run a department.
Especially funny to see Albany fans trying to hammer Butler's schedule. If I recall correctly, and I do, Albany with their so called "above average" schedule could not even win the weak NEC conference. Butler, with a "schedule reported to be weak", took care of the NEC champion CCSU in the Gridiron Classic, as did two other PFL teams while that bowl game existed....

Frankly, it will be downright great when YSU loses to both CCSU and Butler this year!

What a crock of dung...

I'm pulling for Butler to win it all in the Big Dance...in fact, I had them going much further than most folks in our pool because I know what Butler has done in the past on the hardwood...

But don't transfer that to the football field...because it's like night and day...

Butler basketball plays a top-notch schedule...Northwestern, UCLA, Clemson, Xavier, Ball State...in addition to their conference schedule...

Butler football plays down..as has been documented on this thread...with NAIA and DIII...

Apprently, the AD at Butler really only cares about basketball...otherwise, he'd follow the same pattern with the football team and play a tough OOC schedule...not the mamby-pamby schedule we see here...

Try again, DetroitFlyer...

I hate YSU, but I would drop a huge bet on them beating Butler.

DetroitFlyer wrote:Yeah, because we all know the GPI is so accurate....

You're questioning the accuracy of a mathematical formula that rates the top teams higher, the bad teams lower and the mediocre teams somewhere in the middle?

DetroitFlyer wrote: Let me say again, the PFL won three of four GIC's.

This is roughly equivalent to winning the long jump event at the Special Olympics. It may be worth applauding but Michael Johnson, you ain't.

DetroitFlyer wrote: Butler will bring back an experienced team while YSU will be struggling to learn a new system.

Butler is experienced at beating D3's, NAIA's and the mediocre-to-bad teams that make up the Pioneer League. YSU competes in the MVFC and plays Penn State the week before this game. Butler will look like a peewee squad compared to that.
This, of course, is all before any discussion at all of the benefits of fully-funded scholarship recruiting vs. not. It may be worth noting that, since they moved up to D1 in the early 90's, Butler has never beaten a full-schollie FCS team (perhaps because they haven't played any in a decade or so) and one shouldn't expect that stat to change against YSU.

Libertine wrote:

DetroitFlyer wrote:Yeah, because we all know the GPI is so accurate....

You're questioning the accuracy of a mathematical formula that rates the top teams higher, the bad teams lower and the mediocre teams somewhere in the middle?

DetroitFlyer wrote: Let me say again, the PFL won three of four GIC's.

This is roughly equivalent to winning the long jump event at the Special Olympics. It may be worth applauding but Michael Johnson, you ain't.

DetroitFlyer wrote: Butler will bring back an experienced team while YSU will be struggling to learn a new system.

Butler is experienced at beating D3's, NAIA's and the mediocre-to-bad teams that make up the Pioneer League. YSU competes in the MVFC and plays Penn State the week before this game. Butler will look like a peewee squad compared to that.
This, of course, is all before any discussion at all of the benefits of fully-funded scholarship recruiting vs. not. It may be worth noting that, since they moved up to D1 in the early 90's, Butler has never beaten a full-schollie FCS team (perhaps because they haven't played any in a decade or so) and one shouldn't expect that stat to change against YSU.

Oh wow, YSU has signed up for its yearly beating by an FBS team. Yep, getting absolutely pounded by PSU will more than prepare YSU to play Butler.... About all that will do for YSU is get them used to losing, something they just might experience against CCSU and Butler. So yeah, in that regard, I see the reason for scheduling PSU.

Aaaaand we've passed into the realm of bitter ranting....again.

/end logical discussion

Dayton boy, you guys will get pounded by YSU in 2012 when we play you here in Youngstown.

2010-Butler destruction
2011-Valpo destruction
2012-Dayton destruction

The fact of the matter is, non-scholarship FCS programs would struggle with many Division II and Division III teams out there today. The likes of IUP in D2 or Mt. Union in D3 would give these teams runs for their money.

YSU was 6-5 last year, and with any offense, very well could have been 8-3 last year. This isn't 1-11 Indiana State we are talking about, this is another above .500 YSU team playing at the Ice Castle. With the loaded recruiting class we are bringing it, I feel sorry for Dayton when they have to play us in 2 years.

Keep dreaming dude, these games will not even be close and every Butler fan I have talked with has acknowledged that. Remember, we play them in every other sport so I do talk with them quite a bit.

Aside from the very old, very tired discussion of Butler's scheduling (putting aside issues such as: 0-11 2005 record...nearly dropping football completely...reported 10-year home-and-home contract with Albion ...adding YSU, ISU, Dartmouth in place of DIIIs in coming years...), it would appear that some folk have extremely short memories:

"Non-scholarship Cornell hasn't got a chance in the NCAA Tournament against Temple."

"Non-scholarship Cornell hasn't got a chance against Wisconsin."

"Kansas has a cake-walk to the next round. Northern Iowa poses no challenge."

"Butler has no answer for the speed, length, and athleticism of UTEP."

"Butler's dance is done. Murray State is too long and athletic for Butler to contain."

Number of "experts" that picked Butler to beat Syracuse: 0

Number of "experts" that picked Butler to beat Kansas State: 0

"Non-scholly Butler, co-champion of the PFL is the definite underdog to NEC champion Central Connecticut State."



YSU may very well beat Butler in Football this season. (Goodness knows that they certainly haven't gotten the job done in Basketball!) However...

This is why I enjoy FCS football. IT IS DECIDED ON THE FIELD.

And, as a side note... As a coach, parent, and fan of high school and college football, I am keenly aware of how much talent and hard work it takes to play college football at any level. Any of you who think that the players on non-scholarship Division I teams are a bunch of scrubs know nothing about (and I mean NOTHING) about what it takes to make the jump from high school to college.

My older son (a 2-Star defensive back) turned down scholarship offers and walk-on offers from scholarship programs to attend Butler, the school that he really wanted to attend. During the recruiting process, I was surprised by the number of All-State players on Butler's roster. They all may have been a few inches short, or a step too slow for Michigan, Notre Dame or Ohio State, but these kids can seriously play football.

If there is a "shortcoming" in non-scholarship or limited-scholarship Division I football rosters, it is depth. In most cases, the starting 11 for teams such as Butler, Albany, San Diego, Harvard, or Dayton are the equal to the majority of teams in the FCS. They may not match the "elite" teams in first-team talent, but they certainly cannot be described as "pee-wee".

Duquesne, a limited-scholarship program was decimated by injuries last season. Depth (or lack thereof) was a serious issue. The Delaware folks that are expecting a walk-over against Duquesne this season may be unpleasantly surprised.

I'm not predicting a victory by Butler over Youngstown State, or Duquesne over Delaware. I am saying that these teams are far better than some limited-vision fans of full-scholarship programs may realize or admit.

Coach - we know that there are talented people that go NS football - and work just as hard. but like FBS vs FCS, the depth is not there.

Butler has made great strides in football. However, any FCS team that travels to a DIII, and plays an NAIA is going to be questioned, PFL or not.

guinzone wrote:Dayton boy, you guys will get pounded by YSU in 2012 when we play you here in Youngstown.

2010-Butler destruction
2011-Valpo destruction
2012-Dayton destruction

The fact of the matter is, non-scholarship FCS programs would struggle with many Division II and Division III teams out there today. The likes of IUP in D2 or Mt. Union in D3 would give these teams runs for their money.

YSU was 6-5 last year, and with any offense, very well could have been 8-3 last year. This isn't 1-11 Indiana State we are talking about, this is another above .500 YSU team playing at the Ice Castle. With the loaded recruiting class we are bringing it, I feel sorry for Dayton when they have to play us in 2 years.

Keep dreaming dude, these games will not even be close and every Butler fan I have talked with has acknowledged that. Remember, we play them in every other sport so I do talk with them quite a bit.

YSU is 0-9 all time against the might Flyers. IF we play in 2012, it will become a nice round 0-10. You folks over there in good ole Northeast Ohio just continue underestimating the PFL. We like it that way. I truly hope this game occurs as I will be there cheering the Flyers on to an unexpected victory, (at least unexpected by the YSU fans). The last time we played a team on the road that scheduled us as their homecoming patsy, we left the home town crowd wanting as we came out with a victory! In the process, we maintained our perfect record against them as well. Yes, I expect YSU to be a bit better than Fordham back in 2007, but not much better. (Fordham won the PL that year by the way). If we had played YSU Can't wait!

By the way, Butler fans are so used to losing in football that many of them do not really appreciate just how much better their team has become. It takes a while for the casual fans to get their swagger back after so many down years. That early season win over YSU will sure help! Talk to some actual, knowledgable Butler football fans, (Coach L for example), and you will get a different story. I have watched Butler football for years and they have improved greatly! I was one of the few folks that expected Butler would win the GIC. As I said, PLEASE underestimate the teams of the PFL. It just makes those victories that much sweeter for us!

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Butler beat YSU and if not I expect it to be a close game.