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Three freshman redshirt Grizzly football players were charged Tuesday with felonies in connection with the Sept. 19 assault - captured on a dormitory surveillance camera - that broke the jaw of a University of Montana student.

In the most recent incident of violent crimes allegedly involving Grizzly football players, Andrew Joseph Douglass, 18, of San Clemente, Calif., was charged with felony aggravated assault.

Justin Richard Montelius, who graduated this spring from Missoula's Big Sky High School, and Cody Alexander von Appen, 18, of Kailua, Hawaii, were charged with aiding and abetting an aggravated assault, also a felony.


http://missoulian.com/articles/2008/10/ ... news02.txt

Don't mean to over look this but kids will get into fights...

In reading the article, it seems that where they fvcked up was assaulting the guy in full view of surveillence cameras....they got it ALL on tape....these fellas may be goin' to the big house.

I'm sure Wolfman is pleased. He's smugly sipping his iced latte as we speak.

No, wolfie doesn't drink those, he is onto the hard stuff now. Watermelon Bacardi malt beverages.


Seriously though, i missed the entire last 2 paragraphs. If you get into it with somebody, either dish it out or take your lumps and leave it at that. Don't go and get other people to fight your fights for you in that gang mentality. EXPELL these students and be done with them.

And it wasn't the Johnson kid they'd verbally sparred with earlier anyways....it was one of his friends, apparently.

Very low class by these guys, and I'm sure they'll be gone in short order. Oh well, that freshman class was too big anyways....this'll free up 3 more scholarships (assuming they were all on scholly) for THIS years recruiting class...

grizzaholic wrote:Don't mean to over look this but kids will get into fights...

Agreed. Stupid crap like this can happen to any program, but I'm sure there are some people who will blame the Montana program.

BlueHen86 wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:Don't mean to over look this but kids will get into fights...

Agreed. Stupid crap like this can happen to any program, but I'm sure there are some people who will blame the Montana program.

Yeah. I think you'll find most Montana fans will understand that this wasn't about recruiting crappy kids with problems, but about boys being boys (and making piss poor choices). Some (wolfman, alpha, etc), will crucify Hauck and use it as fuel for their "Fire Hauck and his Criminal Recruits" witchhunt.

AZGrizFan wrote:And it wasn't the Johnson kid they'd verbally sparred with earlier anyways....it was one of his friends, apparently.

Very low class by these guys, and I'm sure they'll be gone in short order. Oh well, that freshman class was too big anyways....this'll free up 3 more scholarships (assuming they were all on scholly) for THIS years recruiting class...

I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

One more thing, while I am on my rant, I would assume Hauck would have issued a little thing at the beginning of the season to every player on the team saying you be on your best behavior while on campus and off. Doesn't matter what is going on, if there is going to be trouble, just leave. The U of M and the Athletic program doesn't need any more bad press, whether it be for DUI's and Drugs or fighting.



off rant

grizzaholic wrote:

AZGrizFan wrote:And it wasn't the Johnson kid they'd verbally sparred with earlier anyways....it was one of his friends, apparently.

Very low class by these guys, and I'm sure they'll be gone in short order. Oh well, that freshman class was too big anyways....this'll free up 3 more scholarships (assuming they were all on scholly) for THIS years recruiting class...

I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

Tell your wife there's a sure way to calm you down....

and it's "ridiculous". You're welcome.

AZGrizFan wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote: Agreed. Stupid crap like this can happen to any program, but I'm sure there are some people who will blame the Montana program.

Yeah. I think you'll find most Montana fans will understand that this wasn't about recruiting crappy kids with problems, but about boys being boys (and making piss poor choices). Some (wolfman, alpha, etc), will crucify Hauck and use it as fuel for their "Fire Hauck and his Criminal Recruits" witchhunt.

I see it as - Montana recruited teenage boys. Teenage boys tend to do stupid things, and sometimes they get caught.
Only a fool would blame this on the school, next week the same thing could happen at any other school in the country.

AZGrizFan wrote:

grizzaholic wrote: I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

Tell your wife there's a sure way to calm you down....

and it's "ridiculous". You're welcome.

Hey she is already at the hospital.

and that is how I typed it in the first place and it didn't look right no matter what I did to it.

grizzaholic wrote:I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

I was wondering about that. It seems like you guys get more than your fair share of bad press in the local papers. It's almost as if the editor has it in for UM.

I'm not suggesting that the paper sweep anything under the rug, but there is a big difference between a front page article and a paragraph on page 2. I also noticed that the article repeatedly mentioned previous issues, therefore implying that this is a major issue at UM.

BlueHen86 wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

I was wondering about that. It seems like you guys get more than your fair share of bad press in the local papers. It's almost as if the editor has it in for UM.

I'm not suggesting that the paper sweep anything under the rug, but there is a big difference between a front page article and a paragraph on page 2. I also noticed that the article repeatedly mentioned previous issues, therefore implying that this is a major issue at UM.

I wouldn't doubt it in the least if someone at the paper has a hardon for the Griz.

BlueHen86 wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

I was wondering about that. It seems like you guys get more than your fair share of bad press in the local papers. It's almost as if the editor has it in for UM.

I'm not suggesting that the paper sweep anything under the rug, but there is a big difference between a front page article and a paragraph on page 2. I also noticed that the article repeatedly mentioned previous issues, therefore implying that this is a major issue at UM.

It is just the F'n Missoulian for ya. They are in love with Sentinel, local HS, and post front page pics of them on Saturdays, or random days of the week, then when Sentinel plays a night game soemthing like 730pm they don't post a box score nor an article. EVER Not on Saturday not on Sunday.

They have a guy on staff that looks online to the jail in Missoula every day a couple of times to see if any athletes from the UM have been arrested. It is not like they are out to get UM but they sure spend a lot of time looking for a story.

They would rather, and I am sure this goes for a lot of papers, post a story about some guy running from the cops up to the REZ and totaling his car and having to get life flighted to the hospital than posting an article about a local family that has raised 45 grand for some local charity. Kind of makes you wonder.

If the story is as written, these boys are headed for jail...Stuberg should as well.

dbackjon wrote:If the story is as written, these boys are headed for jail...Stuberg should as well.

I guess it is exactly the way it is written. These kids don't have a leg to stand on.

grizzaholic wrote:
I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

There is a heightened sense of security on this stuff now a days for sure. From about 1988-1992 I got into bar fights with the starting center, one of the starting LB's, and one of the starting CB's for the Griz. I also got into two other scraps with a couple of backups at house parties...not one of them ever got a mention and cops were involved every single time. The one with the center was in Stockman's bar and involved he and I breaking open a Montana Poker machine that spilled money all over the floor and the fight was actually broken up by our current head basketball coach because a couple of other O Lineman were starting to jump in on the centers behalf and they were gonna tee off on me. The center got bloodied up pretty good but if it wasn't for Tinkle I was in for a beating the likes of which I had never seen. Those boys had me down dead to rights and were not happy with me. Even with all of that in front of at least 50-80 people there was no mention in the press whatsoever.


One of my friend in Helena got into a fight with another starting linebacker in about 1993 and broke the guys jaw and he was out for the first four games of the season from it and it was all hush hush as to how it happened with the only mention in the papers being that the linebacker was injured over the summer and wouldn't play for the first four games.

But can you blame the Missoulian, and other residents for that matter, in having a hardon for this stuff. These players (whatever the program or sport) are brought into an idyllic community wih tons of support, are given an opportnity to play for and receive an education from a premier institution. They repay that goodwill by basically "wilding" within the community. I agree boys will be boys (except, obviously in Boone, NC....our players are freakin' gods and pillars of the community), but this more recent phenomena of ganging up on someone and beaing them unconscious and continuing to beat.....I don't know, the fokkers need to go spend some pound-in-the-ass time in state or federal correctional facilities and really experience a gang mentality. If a person is being ganged up on, then by all means, fight dirty......but ganging up on someone and kicking teeth in while they are down.....maybe I'm just from a different generation.......basically, if the uys are on film, Hauck should send an immediate message by removing from team and school has responsibility to remove these guys from the Missoula community by removing from school......I'll clib down from the soapbox now.......

Appaholic wrote:But can you blame the Missoulian, and other residents for that matter, in having a hardon for this stuff. These players (whatever the program or sport) are brought into an idyllic community wih tons of support, are given an opportnity to play for and receive an education from a premier institution. They repay that goodwill by basically "wilding" within the community. I agree boys will be boys (except, obviously in Boone, NC....our players are freakin' gods and pillars of the community), but this more recent phenomena of ganging up on someone and beaing them unconscious and continuing to beat.....I don't know, the fokkers need to go spend some pound-in-the-ass time in state or federal correctional facilities and really experience a gang mentality. If a person is being ganged up on, then by all means, fight dirty......but ganging up on someone and kicking teeth in while they are down.....maybe I'm just from a different generation.......basically, if the uys are on film, Hauck should send an immediate message by removing from team and school has responsibility to remove these guys from the Missoula community by removing from school......I'll clib down from the soapbox now.......

I agree with all of this Appa. There is a difference in the generations as it used to have a code of honor but is now a gang thing. They will be summarily dismissed from the team. Part of being young and dumb is paying a price for the mistakes.

grizzaholic wrote:

BlueHen86 wrote: I was wondering about that. It seems like you guys get more than your fair share of bad press in the local papers. It's almost as if the editor has it in for UM.

I'm not suggesting that the paper sweep anything under the rug, but there is a big difference between a front page article and a paragraph on page 2. I also noticed that the article repeatedly mentioned previous issues, therefore implying that this is a major issue at UM.

It is just the F'n Missoulian for ya. They are in love with Sentinel, local HS, and post front page pics of them on Saturdays, or random days of the week, then when Sentinel plays a night game soemthing like 730pm they don't post a box score nor an article. EVER Not on Saturday not on Sunday.

They have a guy on staff that looks online to the jail in Missoula every day a couple of times to see if any athletes from the UM have been arrested. It is not like they are out to get UM but they sure spend a lot of time looking for a story.

They would rather, and I am sure this goes for a lot of papers, post a story about some guy running from the cops up to the REZ and totaling his car and having to get life flighted to the hospital than posting an article about a local family that has raised 45 grand for some local charity. Kind of makes you wonder.

And that's why I left "the media" in 1991 to come back on active duty with the Air Force...It was getting hard shaving in the morning, since I was having a hard time looking at myself in the mirror...

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:
I am just amazed at this crap. I can understand shit does happen one's first year in college and Boys will be Boys but this has got to stop. Anymore in Missoula anytime an athlete, check that anytime a student, at the U gets into trouble it is on the front page. Doesn't matter what. Hell, if Ursus was a student at the U he could have been on the front page. It is just getting redicoulous....whatever that word is. Just really pissed off today.

There is a heightened sense of security on this stuff now a days for sure. From about 1988-1992 I got into bar fights with the starting center, one of the starting LB's, and one of the starting CB's for the Griz. I also got into two other scraps with a couple of backups at house parties...not one of them ever got a mention and cops were involved every single time. The one with the center was in Stockman's bar and involved he and I breaking open a Montana Poker machine that spilled money all over the floor and the fight was actually broken up by our current head basketball coach because a couple of other O Lineman were starting to jump in on the centers behalf and they were gonna tee off on me. The center got bloodied up pretty good but if it wasn't for Tinkle I was in for a beating the likes of which I had never seen. Those boys had me down dead to rights and were not happy with me. Even with all of that in front of at least 50-80 people there was no mention in the press whatsoever.


One of my friend in Helena got into a fight with another starting linebacker in about 1993 and broke the guys jaw and he was out for the first four games of the season from it and it was all hush hush as to how it happened with the only mention in the papers being that the linebacker was injured over the summer and wouldn't play for the first four games.

Yes, and did you know that a car load of Griz boys came to Helena looking for them? I talked to them on campus and they eagerly wanted to know where they were.

putter wrote:

Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: There is a heightened sense of security on this stuff now a days for sure. From about 1988-1992 I got into bar fights with the starting center, one of the starting LB's, and one of the starting CB's for the Griz. I also got into two other scraps with a couple of backups at house parties...not one of them ever got a mention and cops were involved every single time. The one with the center was in Stockman's bar and involved he and I breaking open a Montana Poker machine that spilled money all over the floor and the fight was actually broken up by our current head basketball coach because a couple of other O Lineman were starting to jump in on the centers behalf and they were gonna tee off on me. The center got bloodied up pretty good but if it wasn't for Tinkle I was in for a beating the likes of which I had never seen. Those boys had me down dead to rights and were not happy with me. Even with all of that in front of at least 50-80 people there was no mention in the press whatsoever.


One of my friend in Helena got into a fight with another starting linebacker in about 1993 and broke the guys jaw and he was out for the first four games of the season from it and it was all hush hush as to how it happened with the only mention in the papers being that the linebacker was injured over the summer and wouldn't play for the first four games.

Yes, and did you know that a car load of Griz boys came to Helena looking for them? I talked to them on campus and they eagerly wanted to know where they were.

yeah, I remember them talking them talking about going over there to get some payback and I told one of my friends on the team that if they were gonna looking for Billy they should think twice about it because he would have no problem doing it again and would probably have a couple of hay maker throwing crazy motherfuggers with him.

In reading the article, it sounds like Douglass and von Appen did all the actual fighting. I'm not sure how Montelius gets charged but the other guy standing there (Stuberg) does NOT.