Coaches Poll (11-1-10)

[UNHWildCats]

1. Appalachian State (27) 8-0 699 1
2. Jacksonville State (1) 8-0 668 2
3. Villanova 6-2 616 5
4. Delaware 7-1 602 6
5. William & Mary 6-2 590 4
6. Eastern Washington 7-2 565 8
7. Wofford 7-1 512 10
8. New Hampshire 5-3 481 9
9. Stephen F. Austin 6-2 447 3
10. Southeast Missouri State 8-1 437 11
11. Montana State 7-2 396 13
12. Liberty 6-2 386 12
13. Bethune-Cookman 8-0 349 16
14. South Carolina State 6-2 310 17
15. Massachusetts 5-3 307 18
16. Montana 6-3 297 7
17. Northern Iowa 5-3 247 19
18. Cal Poly 6-3 192 20
19. Penn 6-1 187 21
20. North Dakota State 5-3 136 22
21. Western Illinois 6-3 124 24
22. Richmond 4-4 108 14
23. James Madison 4-4 100 15
24. Grambling State 7-1 93 25
25. Jacksonville 8-1 41 NR

Others receiving votes (points in parentheses): Weber State (38), Robert Morris (28), Lehigh (23), Dayton (22), Chattanooga (19), Northern Arizona (13), Southern Utah (13), Indiana State(12), Harvard (10), Sacramento State (10), McNeese State (7), Florida A&M (5), Texas Southern (5), Jackson State (2), Georgia Southern (1), Furman (1), Missouri State (1)

[jstclmet]

The Coaches dropped the Tribe 2 spots, and TSN dropped the Tribe one spot for losing a close come from behind game to FBS, UNC. Will both drop ASU likewise if ASU loses to UF at the end of the season?? If so, J'ville St may be the #1 seed going into the playoffs.

Just sayin

[89Hen]

4. Delaware 7-1 602 6
5. William & Mary 6-2 590 4

I guess Delaware did cover the 3 point home field advantage.

[ToTheLeft]

I don't get how you can put Grambling into a top 25 and leave RMU out. The NEC is a PLAYOFF CONFERENCE, the SWAC is not. RMU played and beat a good OOC opponent, Grambling plays "classics". Give me a break.

[aceinthehole]

Honestly, I really hope this give the entire NEC a huge chip on their shoulder.

This season, from top to bottom, the NEC has really done great.

For a few seasons Albany, Monmoth, and CCSU built a small, but solid reputation as very good programs.

But the rest of the league has stepped up as well. I would love to see some of the following matchups in the next few seasons.

Albany vs. Stony Brook and SCSU
Bryant vs. Brown and Holy Cross
CCSU vs. Cal Poly and FAMU
Monmouth vs. Princeton and Liberty
Robert Morris vs. Lehigh and Hampton
Saint Francis vs. Colgate and Indiana State
Sacred Heart vs. Presby and Dayton
Wagner vs. Fordham and Bethune-Cookman

[CoachL]

But the rest of the league has stepped up as well. I would love to see some of the following matchups in the next few seasons.

Albany vs. Stony Brook and SCSU
Bryant vs. Brown and Holy Cross
CCSU vs. Cal Poly and FAMU
Monmouth vs. Princeton and Liberty
Robert Morris vs. Lehigh and Hampton
Saint Francis vs. Colgate and Indiana State
Sacred Heart vs. Presby and Dayton
Wagner vs. Fordham and Bethune-Cookman

and Duquesne vs. Pitt and Penn State?

[aceinthehole]

and Duquesne vs. Pitt and Penn State?

oops!

Duquesne vs. Penn and Harvard

[Chemhen]

3. Villanova 6-2 616 5
4. Delaware 7-1 602 6
5. William & Mary 6-2 590 4

That right there is some funny shit.

[tampajag]

I don't get how you can put Grambling into a top 25 and leave RMU out. The NEC is a PLAYOFF CONFERENCE, the SWAC is not. RMU played and beat a good OOC opponent, Grambling plays "classics". Give me a break.

The only OOC game that Grambling played that could be considered a "classic" (don't know why the quotes were needed) was the LaTech game. Furthermore I don't know why a game being a classic or not has anything to do with RMU being better than Grambling.

[CatMom]

Why is McNeese getting votes?
4-4
Lamar is a non-counter
They have beaten Nicholls, NWS and SLU.
(not arguing for TXST here as we lost to the bottom of the barrel teams listed above)
They lost to CalPoly, SFA and (I know) 2 FBS's but they have no quality wins.
Two teams in the SLC have, what I consider, quality wins...TXST and SFA and I don't consider us poll material, at all

[ToTheLeft]

I don't get how you can put Grambling into a top 25 and leave RMU out. The NEC is a PLAYOFF CONFERENCE, the SWAC is not. RMU played and beat a good OOC opponent, Grambling plays "classics". Give me a break.

The only OOC game that Grambling played that could be considered a "classic" (don't know why the quotes were needed) was the LaTech game. Furthermore I don't know why a game being a classic or not has anything to do with RMU being better than Grambling.

I had this season at GSU confused with a previous season. Regardless, they're about to play against a non-DI (NAIA HBCU from somewhere in the South) in what I can assume is some kind of rivalry or something. But the point is that playing FBS's, NAIA's, and Classic games against other HBCU's proves nothing and shows the team has no ambition to make a name for itself nationally, whereas RMU went out and scheduled a surefire top-25 in Liberty, and a somewhat respectable DI OOC in Dayton, and refused to schedule an 11th game since they couldn't find one good enough to suit what they were looking for.

Yet, people tack on Grambling at the end of their poll since they haven't lost yet against an all SWAC schedule (and probably won't lose), but don't rank RMU who beat a top 15 team, lost on the road to an "ORV", and is undefeated otherwise.

It's not a complete knock on Grambling. They haven't lost and they've played against scholarship competition, they're not unworthy of a ranking completely, but to ignore RMU and just throw on Grambling who didn't even try to prove themselves out of conference is unfair.

[tampajag]

The only OOC game that Grambling played that could be considered a "classic" (don't know why the quotes were needed) was the LaTech game. Furthermore I don't know why a game being a classic or not has anything to do with RMU being better than Grambling.

I had this season at GSU confused with a previous season. Regardless, they're about to play against a non-DI (NAIA HBCU from somewhere in the South) in what I can assume is some kind of rivalry or something. But the point is that playing FBS's, NAIA's, and Classic games against other HBCU's proves nothing and shows the team has no ambition to make a name for itself nationally, whereas RMU went out and scheduled a surefire top-25 in Liberty, and a somewhat respectable DI OOC in Dayton, and refused to schedule an 11th game since they couldn't find one good enough to suit what they were looking for.

Yet, people tack on Grambling at the end of their poll since they haven't lost yet against an all SWAC schedule (and probably won't lose), but don't rank RMU who beat a top 15 team, lost on the road to an "ORV", and is undefeated otherwise.

It's not a complete knock on Grambling. They haven't lost and they've played against scholarship competition, they're not unworthy of a ranking completely, but to ignore RMU and just throw on Grambling who didn't even try to prove themselves out of conference is unfair.

Some points:
1. That's BS to try to blast a team and not have correct info. and it comes off to me as being bitchy. And on top of that Grambling usually plays in 3 Classics which are not only conference games but also divisional games. And two of them are over 20 years old.
2. The issue with Grambling's schedule is more of a league issue than a Grambling issue. The idiotic SWAC office is stuck on a nine game mandate, which makes scheduling OOC games a bit tougher. Grambling has usually had a decent schedule. Last season they play Oklahoma St and Northwestern St. (who they beat) The year before they played Nevada, Northwestern St (who they lost to) and D-II Langston.
3. you say Grambling didn't prove themselves out of conference but your #13 team hasn't beaten any one out of conference but Savannah St and NAIA Edward Waters. Yes they beat SCSU, but using your theory they haven't won an impressive OOC game beating D-II Benedict and MVSU.
4. I don't agree with playing non D-I games, but for the record the Concordia game is homecoming. I don't know why your little attitude was needed in that statement.
5. Personally I'd love to see these teams hook up but that's out of my hands.
6. I hope this doesn't end like the Butler thread

[ToTheLeft]

2. Northwestern State is not a good opponent. They're just close, and would give a home and home. The SWAC is a cash machine man, you really can't deny that.
3. The MEAC at least tries OOC, and they compete at the playoff level. BCC specifically has done nothing special but beat SCSU, but SCSU was a team I had ranked. They try to go out and play someone, and although they're not much better than the SWAC, they're a playoff conference, and that means something to me.
4. It's the same attitude people give Liberty for playing a DII. You're a DI team not out in the middle of nowhere like Montana or Idaho State or EWU. Play DI teams, you have a million to choose from. There's no excuse for Liberty to ever play a non-DI (but it sounds like we will again next year, FML), just as there's no excuse for Grambling to play a non-DI. You've got tons of teams in the Gulf region to play, schedule one. It might mean going on the road, but that's okay, really. Homecoming is no exception to schedule an NAIA school. If you're worried about not being able to beat a DI team to impress alumni, maybe you shouldn't be DI? Schedule a real team for homecoming.
5. Yes, and those who schedule for the SWAC don't seem to really focus on matchups the fans (or at least fans on these message boards) want. A lot of SWAC fans here but especially on AGS get really, really upset about the lack of national exposure their teams and players get. You honestly want to know why SCSU and subsequently BCU are ranked well this year? The way they played App. I'll be honest, that's stuck in my mind. Watching Will Ford run all over App is STILL the reason I give the MEAC the benefit of the doubt despite their lack of OOC substance.
6. I don't feel like I've been as royal of a jackass in this thread. And most of my frustration isn't at you or really even Grambling in particular, it's at SWAC fans on AGS who expect to have every team and player in their league on the national spotlight next to App and Delaware's best.

Basically, I don't like how HBCU's, especially the SWAC (and this goes for Ivies, too, but they play some OOC games so they're slightly higher in my book), isolate themselves from FCS football. And a bit of my frustration is from the way Liberty is isolated from FCS football by the stupid schedules we make. That's probably why I have an "attitude" about it, because it's something that pisses me off on multiple levels. I know there's only so many games to go around, but at least putting forth an effort. I'd much rather play a couple of OVC teams than Savannah State, in the same way I'd rather see Grambling play Mcneese and Samford than Concordia.

[scsudawg2007]

2. Northwestern State is not a good opponent. They're just close, and would give a home and home. The SWAC is a cash machine man, you really can't deny that.
3. The MEAC at least tries OOC, and they compete at the playoff level. BCC specifically has done nothing special but beat SCSU, but SCSU was a team I had ranked. They try to go out and play someone, and although they're not much better than the SWAC, they're a playoff conference, and that means something to me.
4. It's the same attitude people give Liberty for playing a DII. You're a DI team not out in the middle of nowhere like Montana or Idaho State or EWU. Play DI teams, you have a million to choose from. There's no excuse for Liberty to ever play a non-DI (but it sounds like we will again next year, FML), just as there's no excuse for Grambling to play a non-DI. You've got tons of teams in the Gulf region to play, schedule one. It might mean going on the road, but that's okay, really. Homecoming is no exception to schedule an NAIA school. If you're worried about not being able to beat a DI team to impress alumni, maybe you shouldn't be DI? Schedule a real team for homecoming.
5. Yes, and those who schedule for the SWAC don't seem to really focus on matchups the fans (or at least fans on these message boards) want. A lot of SWAC fans here but especially on AGS get really, really upset about the lack of national exposure their teams and players get. You honestly want to know why SCSU and subsequently BCU are ranked well this year? The way they played App. I'll be honest, that's stuck in my mind. Watching Will Ford run all over App is STILL the reason I give the MEAC the benefit of the doubt despite their lack of OOC substance.
6. I don't feel like I've been as royal of a jackass in this thread. And most of my frustration isn't at you or really even Grambling in particular, it's at SWAC fans on AGS who expect to have every team and player in their league on the national spotlight next to App and Delaware's best.

Basically, I don't like how HBCU's, especially the SWAC (and this goes for Ivies, too, but they play some OOC games so they're slightly higher in my book), isolate themselves from FCS football. And a bit of my frustration is from the way Liberty is isolated from FCS football by the stupid schedules we make. That's probably why I have an "attitude" about it, because it's something that pisses me off on multiple levels. I know there's only so many games to go around, but at least putting forth an effort. I'd much rather play a couple of OVC teams than Savannah State, in the same way I'd rather see Grambling play Mcneese and Samford than Concordia.

Ok I just had to step in an say something about this. Now I know that the MEAC is especially this year is a pretty bad conference especially our bottom feeders. But my thing is that you can't claim that all HBCU's isolate themselves from FCS football when if you go on MEACzone.com the guys over there went crazy when our commish was about to pull the trigger on this Legacy Bowl that would automatically give up our play-off bid.

Also the only reason and I mean the only reason (and I know this for a fact being that I know people who work closely in the athletic department at SCSU) that we did not schedule a OOC FCS school that was from the Southern, CAA, or BIg South was that everyone already had their schedules made up we asked and I know this for a fact a number of schools but they were faced with the same issue we had they wanted just like us needed another home game on their schedule because of them just like us scheduling a FBS school..That is the only reason that SCSU did not play a school from either of these conferences. And our game against a division II Benedict College team was the end of our 2 game home and home series with them that we would have finished up last year opening up a possibility for us to play someone else this year. And our coach specifically said and you can look the article up that this will be our last time playing them for sometime now because he would like to schedule more OOC FCS teams.

Another thing point now I'm not saying that you are one of these people but I am saying this. To alot of HBCU's it seems like other FCS schools or conferences try and keep us isolated that is the feeling on alot of the boards that I frequent. Case in point when all the legacy bowl stuff started alot of the guys on MEACfanzone.com were very interested in getting out of the MEAC which if you would get Coach Pough in a room by himself off the record he would say the same thing. Some guys went to some big south message boards and asked..and let me just say it wasn't well recieved at all not saying that all were opposed but it wasn't as if they were rolling out the Red Carpet. I say that to say that it is a disconnect between HBCU's and other FCS conferences and/or schools.

Now I agree with you that we have too many FCS schools in heck North and South Carolina alone that we as in SCSU should start back playing them. We used to play Charleston Southern, Furman, The Citadel, Wofford, and we played Coastal Carolina.We actually for the first two years we played Coastal that was their biggest game as far as attendance and it was our biggest game as far as attendance..So I agree with your assessment. I just have a problem when it seems as individual teams get knocked because of the bottom feeders in the conference. Honestly I don't knock Jacksonville St. and Liberty for not being in the quote un quote power CAA and SoCon. Reason being they have been consistent ovet the past 3-4 years and Jacksonville St. looked horrible against Georgia State cause I was at that game..but they are beating the teams on the schedule. Same as Liberty-Prespyterian played them close but do I bad mouth them because they were on the ropes against a team that has one 1 game the last two years..No because the familiarity being conference foes you see every year is not as easy as people may think no matter how piss poor the conference is. I mean we as in SCSU have won at least 8 games a season from 2003 regardless of any conference affiliation that is consistent and it's not easy to do.

And one last thing..BCU is not a product of their weak OOC schedule...they have what all HBCU's need that (some do have but SCSU,Grambling, and BCU) They have a terrific Head Coach and the Coordinators to go along with it. Do Not Sleep On Them. The Florida Speed along with the right scheme is a deadly combination!. We found out the hard way!

[ToTheLeft]

I appreciate the civil response. It's much better than I do on most occasions.

And I understand how tough it is to schedule OOC and still get the home games that make you the money you need. Liberty is in a similar boat.

[tampajag]

2. Northwestern State is not a good opponent. They're just close, and would give a home and home. The SWAC is a cash machine man, you really can't deny that.
3. The MEAC at least tries OOC, and they compete at the playoff level. BCC specifically has done nothing special but beat SCSU, but SCSU was a team I had ranked. They try to go out and play someone, and although they're not much better than the SWAC, they're a playoff conference, and that means something to me.
4. It's the same attitude people give Liberty for playing a DII. You're a DI team not out in the middle of nowhere like Montana or Idaho State or EWU. Play DI teams, you have a million to choose from. There's no excuse for Liberty to ever play a non-DI (but it sounds like we will again next year, FML), just as there's no excuse for Grambling to play a non-DI. You've got tons of teams in the Gulf region to play, schedule one. It might mean going on the road, but that's okay, really. Homecoming is no exception to schedule an NAIA school. If you're worried about not being able to beat a DI team to impress alumni, maybe you shouldn't be DI? Schedule a real team for homecoming.
5. Yes, and those who schedule for the SWAC don't seem to really focus on matchups the fans (or at least fans on these message boards) want. A lot of SWAC fans here but especially on AGS get really, really upset about the lack of national exposure their teams and players get. You honestly want to know why SCSU and subsequently BCU are ranked well this year? The way they played App. I'll be honest, that's stuck in my mind. Watching Will Ford run all over App is STILL the reason I give the MEAC the benefit of the doubt despite their lack of OOC substance.
6. I don't feel like I've been as royal of a jackass in this thread. And most of my frustration isn't at you or really even Grambling in particular, it's at SWAC fans on AGS who expect to have every team and player in their league on the national spotlight next to App and Delaware's best.

Basically, I don't like how HBCU's, especially the SWAC (and this goes for Ivies, too, but they play some OOC games so they're slightly higher in my book), isolate themselves from FCS football. And a bit of my frustration is from the way Liberty is isolated from FCS football by the stupid schedules we make. That's probably why I have an "attitude" about it, because it's something that pisses me off on multiple levels. I know there's only so many games to go around, but at least putting forth an effort. I'd much rather play a couple of OVC teams than Savannah State, in the same way I'd rather see Grambling play Mcneese and Samford than Concordia.

I'll finish with this because most people know, it pains to me to defend Grambling.
1. I never said Northwestern was a good team, I was only showing that Grambilng didn't have an HBCU only schedule, which was my main contention on your previous post.
2. The SWAC has had much better schedules in years past and if you read my post you'd see that I'm not happy with the direction the league has taken. I've never been a fan on non DI games.
3. Grambling has been one of the few SWAC schools that will travel to play HBCU or non HBCU, they went to Portland St in the early 2000's not many of our schools would take a road trip like that. Grambling had a home and home with McNeese and I'm sure both sides wouldn't mind doing business again. Although I can't say the same for my school. (which is another issue, that I truly hoped would have been resolved properly)
4. I don't take any offense to what you say and you have your right, I've dealt with TT and he's way more abrasive than you. I'm the only SWAC fan here so you won't hear me grumbling about any SWAC team. If your beef is with the AGS SWAC fans then you should take it up with them.
In closing I would love to see better teams on the schedule but I guess for the time being the only OVC team I'll see is Tennessee St.

[mountain_man]

The Coaches dropped the Tribe 2 spots, and TSN dropped the Tribe one spot for losing a close come from behind game to FBS, UNC. Will both drop ASU likewise if ASU loses to UF at the end of the season?? If so, J'ville St may be the #1 seed going into the playoffs.

Just sayin

UF>UNC...

Just sayin...