Youngstown St.

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:44 pm

Has won zero national titles as far as I'm concerned.

Discuss.

Post by **clenz** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:45 pm

Agreed.

After getting basically 100% confirmation on rumors that I've heard for a couple years they have been stripped of their titles in my mind.

They now have as many titles as wins over UNI the last 10 years.

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:52 pm

13 Penguins had had jobs with Phar-Mor during the season, in violation of NCAA rules; and nonscholarship student athletes were being illegally paid by the university's director of athletic development.

At his first meeting with Monus, Isaac received $150. According to the court documents, by the time he left Youngstown State, in 1992, Isaac had collected more than $10,000 in cash and checks from Monus and Monus's associates and employees.

Tressel was aware of the car. At times, Isaac told SI, he asked the coach for help in getting out of traffic tickets. "He'd slot out two hours to meet and say, 'Ray, I need you to read this book and give me 500 words on why it's important to be a good student-athlete,'" Isaac says. Afterward the ticket would sometimes disappear

As coach at Youngstown (Ohio) State in the mid-1990s, he claimed not to know that his star quarterback had received a car and more than $10,000 from a school trustee and his associates -- even though it was later established in court documents that Tressel had told the player to go see the trustee.

Post by **clenz** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:53 pm

I would laugh if the NCAA stripped OSU and YSU of everything this fuck head has ever accomplished.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Mon May 30, 2011 8:58 pm

DJH wrote:
13 Penguins had had jobs with Phar-Mor during the season, in violation of NCAA rules; and nonscholarship student athletes were being illegally paid by the university's director of athletic development.

Wait a minute. Since when is it illegal for walkons to have campus jobs? That's hogwash.

Post by **clenz** » Mon May 30, 2011 9:01 pm

They weren't paid for jobs....they were just paid by the DIRECTOR OF ATHLETIC DEVELOPMENT

guinzone · Post by **guinzone** » Tue May 31, 2011 4:57 am

Isaac was our QB in 1991; not in 1993, 1994, 1997. I knew about the SI article weeks back and knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but it simply reiterated everything that was already known before. The NCAA isn't going to be revoking any of those titles, but go ahead and continue wishing that UNI fans.. Even if you wipe away '91, we still have 3 more than you

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citdog · Post by **citdog** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:00 am

Again it is a shame that the team that ended The Citadel's best season in school history in 1992 in the playoffs was dirty. Where would our program be if we had won?

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:27 am

guinzone wrote:Isaac was our QB in 1991; not in 1993, 1994, 1997. I knew about the SI article weeks back and knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but it simply reiterated everything that was already known before. The NCAA isn't going to be revoking any of those titles, but go ahead and continue wishing that UNI fans.. Even if you wipe away '91, we still have 3 more than you .

Tainted by a dirty program. Asterisk titles.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:29 am

guinzone wrote:Isaac was our QB in 1991; not in 1993, 1994, 1997. I knew about the SI article weeks back and knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but it simply reiterated everything that was already known before. The NCAA isn't going to be revoking any of those titles, but go ahead and continue wishing that UNI fans.. Even if you wipe away '91, we still have 3 more than you .

I doubt the NCAA will take away any of your trophies. YSU has a great football tradition, and the Bison always look forward to a great game each year.

citdog · Post by **citdog** » Tue May 31, 2011 5:31 am

State of Ohio has a tradition of producing criminals

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:20 am

citdog wrote:Again it is a shame that the team that ended The Citadel's best season in school history in 1992 in the playoffs was dirty. Where would our program be if we had won?

Not any different than you'd be today - YSU blasted The Citadel in '92, and then won a close game against UNI the following week (probably a safe bet that UNI would've beaten The Citadel). And even then, Marshall was waiting in the Finals and Marshall had already won against The Citadel, on the road, by 3 TD's, so Marshall would've been a very heavy favorite playing at home. Hard to see how maybe a win against YSU would've changed anything.

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:24 am

JEBUS. IT happened more than 10 years ago. Let it go. If it had happened recently I can see some of your problems. No sense making a big deal with it. I got no issue with YSU and their titles.

citdog · Post by **citdog** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:27 am

GannonFan wrote:
citdog wrote:Again it is a shame that the team that ended The Citadel's best season in school history in 1992 in the playoffs was dirty. Where would our program be if we had won?
Not any different than you'd be today - YSU blasted The Citadel in '92, and then won a close game against UNI the following week (probably a safe bet that UNI would've beaten The Citadel). And even then, Marshall was waiting in the Finals and Marshall had already won against The Citadel, on the road, by 3 TD's, so Marshall would've been a very heavy favorite playing at home. Hard to see how maybe a win against YSU would've changed anything.

That Northern Iowa team would have had to, as YSU did, defeat us in General Johnson Hagood, CSA, Stadium. I remember the game like it was yesterday. We stopped them and made them punt and the first four plays were long runs by our FB Everette Sands and then he just dropped the ball while switching hands, put your it's suprising he would drop the ball like that considering that El Cid Cadets must masturbate a lot because we're all male...... here, and it was all downhill from there.

henfan · Post by **henfan** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:30 am

Marshall, who themselves were a dirty, dirty program. They were very fortunate that the NCAA never extended their investigation to their I-AA years in the McCorkle Machine Shop employment scandal.

citdog · Post by **citdog** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:34 am

grizzaholic wrote:JEBUS. IT happened more than 10 years ago. Let it go. If it had happened recently I can see some of your problems. No sense making a big deal with it. I got no issue with YSU and their titles.

Dude it's THE SOUTH........10 Years AIN'T CLOSE TO LONG ENOUGH TO FORGET!

Post by **grizzaholic** » Tue May 31, 2011 7:39 am

DJH wrote:Has won zero national titles as far as I'm concerned.

Discuss.

So if a player on the 1985 NC team came out and said he got a free car and some cash from a booster you think that team should forefit it's title?

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:10 am

grizzaholic wrote:
DJH wrote:Has won zero national titles as far as I'm concerned.

Discuss.
So if a player on the 1985 NC team came out and said he got a free car and some cash from a booster you think that team should forefit it's title?

Why not? Cheating is cheating, whether it was yesterday or 20 years ago.

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:14 am

guinzone wrote:Isaac was our QB in 1991; not in 1993, 1994, 1997. I knew about the SI article weeks back and knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but it simply reiterated everything that was already known before. The NCAA isn't going to be revoking any of those titles, but go ahead and continue wishing that UNI fans.. Even if you wipe away '91, we still have 3 more than you .

riiiiiight. It was just that one incident....

YSU hadn't done shit before Tressel came along, and hasn't done shit since Tressel left. Wonder why? Thats weird....

Btw, I figured you would immediately take a swipe at UNI with your first response, which you did. I don't care. I would never want to have a program that has to be dirty to win. Congrats on your titles, you have a lot to be proud of....

blueballs · Post by **blueballs** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:25 am

grizzaholic wrote:
DJH wrote:Has won zero national titles as far as I'm concerned.

Discuss.
So if a player on the 1985 NC team came out and said he got a free car and some cash from a booster you think that team should forefit it's title?

Considering the 1985 National Champs were made up of about 40% walkons and the program was only in its fourth year of existence that would be pretty difficult to do.

...which really speaks even further about the miracle Erk Russell performed in the early 80's.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Tue May 31, 2011 10:29 am

DJH wrote:
guinzone wrote:Isaac was our QB in 1991; not in 1993, 1994, 1997. I knew about the SI article weeks back and knew it wasn't going to be pretty, but it simply reiterated everything that was already known before. The NCAA isn't going to be revoking any of those titles, but go ahead and continue wishing that UNI fans.. Even if you wipe away '91, we still have 3 more than you .
riiiiiight. It was just that one incident.... YSU hadn't done **** before Tressel came along, and hasn't done **** since Tressel left. Wonder why? Thats weird....

Btw, I figured you would immediately take a swipe at UNI with your first response, which you did. I don't care. I would never want to have a program that has to be dirty to win. Congrats on your titles, you have a lot to be proud of....

Narduzzi wasn't a bad coach for YSU back in the 70's, especially the late 70's. And didn't YSU win two Gateway titles after Tressel left?

DJH · Post by **DJH** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:22 am

GannonFan wrote:
DJH wrote:
riiiiiight. It was just that one incident.... YSU hadn't done **** before Tressel came along, and hasn't done **** since Tressel left. Wonder why? Thats weird....

Btw, I figured you would immediately take a swipe at UNI with your first response, which you did. I don't care. I would never want to have a program that has to be dirty to win. Congrats on your titles, you have a lot to be proud of....
Narduzzi wasn't a bad coach for YSU back in the 70's, especially the late 70's. And didn't YSU win two Gateway titles after Tressel left?

Right. Go ahead and compare playoff wins before/after tressel with when he was there. Completely different football program.

ASUMountaineer · Post by **ASUMountaineer** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:43 am

DJH wrote:Has won zero national titles as far as I'm concerned.

Discuss.

Yeah, but their mascot is cool.

guinzone · Post by **guinzone** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:47 am

First off, like I previously stated, everything that came out in the SI article pertaining to Youngstown State was previously known information. Therefore, many, if not most, of you were previously aware of what occurred with Ray Isaac and Mickey Monus, the founder of the Phar-Mor Drug Store chain based in Youngstown, OH.

Furthermore, in 2000 Youngstown State imposed self imposed sanctions on the football program for those violations. The NCAA accepted the violations and allowed YSU to keep its 1991 national title.

Thirdly, there has not been any violations regarding the 1992-1999 seasons when Youngstown State would later go to 5 titles (92-93-94-97-99), of which they won 3 of them. So to DJH, in your eyes you can believe whatever the hell you want, but in the eyes of the NCAA, Youngstown State is the four title national champion of the I-AA level.

To conclude, the NCAA is not going to all of a sudden rescind their 2000 ruling and strip Youngstown State of the 1991 national title, nor will they strip YSU of the 1993-1994-1997 national titles; so you can get over that. I am appalled by the terrible actions of Jim Tressel at Ohio State and I shake my head at his actions while at Youngstown State. If you've ever met Jim Tressel or seen him in the community, he is a class act. However it is behind the close doors that was Tressel's downfall and it is a damn shame. He will always be remembered for providing an enormous boost of community pride to the Mahoning Valley following the devastating economic blows here in the late 70s and early 80s. I will also thank him for this fine facility that he and his wife's family, the Watsons, donated $1 million towards:

Post by **Cap'n Cat** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:50 am

Brother D1B said it the best today when we were e-mailing SMH's about Tressel:

"No one wins four national championships practically in a row at a shithole like YSU without being a scumbag sleaze ball."

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