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Does anyone believe JMU, other than JMU fans, is better than Delaware?

They looked good against UMass on the road - Delaware, not so much at home...

I have no problem JMU getting the nod over UD. They have zero quality wins and losses. We had 2 quality wins and 2 brutal losses. We played West Chester, they played Cenn. Conn. St. Their win counted, our's didn't.

They took care of business vs Rhode Island and UMass with the season on the line, we didn't.

Delaware knows that the 7 division I recommendation is as much a solid rule as it can be without actually being, yet continue to schedule non Div I teams that makes it harder to get to the 7 needed wins...

Had Delaware beaten UMass or URI, we wouldnt be discussing this.

Meanwhile JMU did what they needed to, they beat the same UMass and URI teams that beat Delaware and only lost to 3 FCS playoff teams and a FBS team.

The solution is simple UDel...

STOP
PLAYING
WEST
CHESTER.

I'm obviously biased but if we have the same record against common opponents and from a statistical standpoint JMU looks better:

Ranks (just for conference games)

Scoring Offense

JMU - 5
UD - 6

Rushing Offense

JMU -1
UD - 6

Scoring Defense

JMU -1
UD - 2

Rushing Defense

JMU - 1
UD - 4

Pass Offense

UD - 9
JMU - 11

Total Offense
JMU - 6
UD - 9

Pass Defense
JMU - 3
UD - 8

Total Defense

JMU - 1
UD -3

JMU beats UD in all but 1 major category.

But, I think O'Day's comments at the end of the joke of a selection show made it clear that the only stat they considered was this:

D-1 Wins

JMU - 7
UD - 6

JMU - 7 Div I wins
UD - 6 Div I wins

Simple as that. Moving on...

TwinTownBisonFan wrote:The solution is simple UDel...

STOP
PLAYING
WEST
CHESTER.

You play some cupcake FCS team and Delaware gets to prove it in the playoffs. Simple as that.

JMUDuke2002 wrote:JMU - 7 Div I wins
UD - 6 Div I wins

Simple as that. Moving on...

Stop crying UD

Blue Hen Fanatic wrote:Does anyone believe JMU, other than JMU fans, is better than Delaware?

Doesn't matter. JMU did what they had to do, the Hens didn't. They knew about the 7 D-I win guideline and still scheduled West Chester. If UD wants to play West Chester they need to finish 8-3 or earn the CAA autobid. UD has nobody to blame but themselves for missing the playoffs.

Good luck to JMU, they deserve to be in the playoffs.

Yes, because their AD doesn't schedule DII's.

BlueHen86 wrote:

Blue Hen Fanatic wrote:Does anyone believe JMU, other than JMU fans, is better than Delaware?

Doesn't matter. JMU did what they had to do, the Hens didn't. They knew about the 7 D-I win guideline and still scheduled West Chester. If UD wants to play West Chester they need to finish 8-3 or earn the CAA autobid. UD has nobody to blame but themselves for missing the playoffs.

Good luck to JMU, they deserve to be in the playoffs.

UD played WCU, so JMU deserves to be in the playoffs...and I think they'll do well...but "which team should make the playoffs" wasn't the question.

I'd bet a bag of weed that UD is a better team than JMU...JMU didn't have a single quality win this season.

Why does UD schedule West Chester?

Cluck U wrote:UD played WCU, so JMU deserves to be in the playoffs...and I think they'll do well...but "which team should make the playoffs" wasn't the question.

I'd bet a bag of weed that UD is a better team than JMU...JMU didn't have a single quality win this season.

JMU didn't have any terrible losses either. UD had two.

Equal record against common opponents, JMU wins the "stat war" for what that's worth. It's impossible to say who's better.

And if we're not talking about playoffs, why does this matter?

EDIT: Also, if we're talking about which team would win a head-to-head match-up, both teams can probably plead bi-polarism. If the UD team that lost to URI played the JMU team that beat UMass, JMU probably wins, but if the JMU team that lost to UNH plays the UD team that beat Towson, UD probably wins.

Cluck U wrote:UD played WCU, so JMU deserves to be in the playoffs...and I think they'll do well...but "which team should make the playoffs" wasn't the question.

I'd bet a bag of weed that UD is a better team than JMU...JMU didn't have a single quality win this season.

I've lurked on these boards occasionally over the past few months, and I can say without a doubt, that Cluck U is the worst poster I've ever read on any message board. This is the same guy who wanted to petition lawyers to have DJ Bryant tried for assault after taking a swing at Maine players. Is your life that boring that these are the things you do and think about in your free time?

JMU didn't have a single quality win all year? Yeah, you're right. Beating the #5 team in September wasn't a quality win at all.

You are the worst poster I've ever seen. Go hide in the corner.

Does anyone believe JMU, other than JMU fans, is better than Delaware?

Based on the poll results, I think you need to replace every "JMU" in your question with "Delaware" and every "Delaware" with "JMU".

If it comes down to two teams like this where 1 played a DII, its a pretty easy choice. No reason to continue to schedule those games.

We played West Chester, they played Cenn. Conn. St. Their win counted, our's didn't.

Nothing I can do about it but that "rule" about D-I wins is the thing I like least about the selection process. So if Delaware had played and beaten St. Francis, which finished behind 88 D-II schools in the Massey Ratings, they'd have been playing essentially the same caliber opponent as they played in West Chester but they'd have those magic 7 "Division I" wins. And they'd probably have been in before JMU or EKU.

It's just such a ridiculous and arbitrary rule. They should look at the entire body of work without any regard for what Division various opponents are in. When a win over a St. Francis helps you but one over a Northwest Missouri State (which is rated ahead of all but four FCS schools in the Massey ratings) does not, there is something seriously wrong with the way they do things.

It's mitigated to some extent by the fact that everybody knows what they have to do to guarantee that they get in. But it's still just absollutely ridiculous to just automatically say "7 Division I wins."

I'm not fond of this topic. JMU did what they needed to do in order to put together a resume that made their selection an easy one. UD didn't. It's really that simple.

I'm glad we finished the season on a roll, but anyone who watched UD play football in 2010, and then watched them play in 2011 and particularly saw the performance against a terrible 2 win Villanova team, knows we got what we deserved. A combination of bad administrating and poor play when it mattered.

Good luck to all of the deserving playoff participants.

I think if JMU would have been able to keep the same QB the whole season, JMU would be looking at 2 or 3 losses instead of 4. But I guess JMU will find out for sure if that is the case when they play against EKU.

bisonguy wrote:Yes, because their AD doesn't schedule DII's.

That's why JMU is in the playoffs and the Hens aren't, but that has nothing to do with who is better on the field.

On the field I think the two teams are a toss up, so I don't think JMU is better, but I don't think UD is better either.

JohnStOnge wrote:

We played West Chester, they played Cenn. Conn. St. Their win counted, our's didn't.

Nothing I can do about it but that "rule" about D-I wins is the thing I like least about the selection process. So if Delaware had played and beaten St. Francis, which finished behind 88 D-II schools in the Massey Ratings, they'd have been playing essentially the same caliber opponent as they played in West Chester but they'd have those magic 7 "Division I" wins. And they'd probably have been in before JMU or EKU.

It's just such a ridiculous and arbitrary rule. They should look at the entire body of work without any regard for what Division various opponents are in. When a win over a St. Francis helps you but one over a Northwest Missouri State (which is rated ahead of all but four FCS schools in the Massey ratings) does not, there is something seriously wrong with the way they do things.

It's mitigated to some extent by the fact that everybody knows what they have to do to guarantee that they get in. But it's still just absollutely ridiculous to just automatically say "7 Division I wins."

I agree with you 100% here. The committee should give at large bids to the 10 most best teams available, ruling a team out because they played a D-II is dumb. Sometimes you have to schedule a D-II just to fill out an 11 game schedule.

This is no excuse for the Hens though. Like I've been saying, they knew the "rule" and scheduled West Chester anyway.

JohnStOnge wrote:

We played West Chester, they played Cenn. Conn. St. Their win counted, our's didn't.

Nothing I can do about it but that "rule" about D-I wins is the thing I like least about the selection process. So if Delaware had played and beaten St. Francis, which finished behind 88 D-II schools in the Massey Ratings, they'd have been playing essentially the same caliber opponent as they played in West Chester but they'd have those magic 7 "Division I" wins. And they'd probably have been in before JMU or EKU.

It's just such a ridiculous and arbitrary rule. They should look at the entire body of work without any regard for what Division various opponents are in. When a win over a St. Francis helps you but one over a Northwest Missouri State (which is rated ahead of all but four FCS schools in the Massey ratings) does not, there is something seriously wrong with the way they do things.

It's mitigated to some extent by the fact that everybody knows what they have to do to guarantee that they get in. But it's still just absollutely ridiculous to just automatically say "7 Division I wins."

Try scheduling out of Cheney, WA. I'm assuming the logic here is that in order for the subdivision to remain healthy and large, it needs the AQ's for the non and partial schollie conferences and to encourage intra-division play. But I can't think of a legitimate reason why allowing for one non-DI counter would really hurt.

BlueHen86 wrote:

JohnStOnge wrote:
Nothing I can do about it but that "rule" about D-I wins is the thing I like least about the selection process. So if Delaware had played and beaten St. Francis, which finished behind 88 D-II schools in the Massey Ratings, they'd have been playing essentially the same caliber opponent as they played in West Chester but they'd have those magic 7 "Division I" wins. And they'd probably have been in before JMU or EKU.

It's just such a ridiculous and arbitrary rule. They should look at the entire body of work without any regard for what Division various opponents are in. When a win over a St. Francis helps you but one over a Northwest Missouri State (which is rated ahead of all but four FCS schools in the Massey ratings) does not, there is something seriously wrong with the way they do things.

It's mitigated to some extent by the fact that everybody knows what they have to do to guarantee that they get in. But it's still just absollutely ridiculous to just automatically say "7 Division I wins."

I agree with you 100% here. The committee should give at large bids to the 10 most best teams available, ruling a team out because they played a D-II is dumb. Sometimes you have to schedule a D-II just to fill out an 11 game schedule.

This is no excuse for the Hens though. Like I've been saying, they knew the "rule" and scheduled West Chester anyway.

No, its not hard to fill out a schedule. If you do not want to have to ever go on the road, or play decent D1 teams, then yes, it is a little difficult.

I agree that they should choose the 10 "best" teams for the at-large spots, but I agree with the idea of adhering to a 7 win requirement.