Big Sky vs. UND, are they out?

[JBB]

Yesterday I had the misfortune of listening to a near hysterical UND nickname supporter, I'll call him chief talk-a-lot, being interviewed on KFGO about the current shitstorm. There appears to be some evidence that the UND administration was pushing for the BSC to take a position against the nickname. The conference allegedly did this by questioning their future as a member.

The issue is being used as a wedge to attack the UND president and downplay the risks of losing BSC affiliation in an attempt to gain momentum on keeping the nickname.

Chief Talk-a-Lots words were venemous, Filled with half truths, innuendo, misrepresentation, revenge and anger. His approach is typical of the take no prisoners tactics those associated with UND are famous for using. Despite his words things appear to be unraveling for UND in a lot of different ways.

Now a blog has appeared in Sacramento asking the Big Sky to admit its mistake and push UND out.

The commentary cites the ongoing nickname controversy and the logistical problems of admitting a school 800 to nearly 1,800 miles from other Big Sky schools.

The blog author, Bill Bradley, has been receiving a lot of hate mail from UND fans.

“I’ve received a lot of profanity in emails today,” Bradley said in a telephone interview Wednesday, after his commentary was posted in a comments section at gfherald.com. He said 70 percent or more of the emails had come from North Dakotans.

His statement illustrates the harm this selfish nickname fight is doing to the state. Notice he said 70% of the hate mail was coming from North Dakotans. What he should be saying is the hate mail is coming from University of North Dakota supporters.

As the legal battles continue the hurt and the cost are adding up for everyone. This self indulgent campaign to keep the nickname is understandable from the Tribes stand point. They are suing for all the revenue produced by marketing the image. But, The self destructive antics of folks like Chief-Talk-a-Lot and those UND folks pushing this issue are baffling.

I hope the lawsuit is successful, the tribes force UND to use the nickname and they get all the revenue associated with its use. Its obvious they are seeking revenge on UND for their insistance over the years that all the revenue belonged to UND.

Hopefully that will put an end to this destructive and expensive nickname fight that is being driven by nothing more than UND self pity.

[kemajic]

UND in the BSC never did make any sense.

[BigSkyBears]

UND in the BSC never did make any sense.

I agree and I'm hoping the MVFC will open its doors to them much like they did to South Dakota. Now that the nick-name issue has been resolved I'm crossing my fingers.

[Darell1976]

If UND had the same deal as USD with membership into the MVFC for football they would have chosen the MVFC over the Big Sky. UND was going to the Summit they had a visit planned before the BSC asked UND to join. But since football would have been left out in the cold UND picked the BSC over the Summit. As for this guy that is a nickname supporter, most likely he is a hockey only fan. There is a division among UND fans now. You have the hockey only fans and you have the athletic fans (I am part of them). The hockey only crowd only cares about hockey and the Ralph, and wants the logo and nickname to stay at all costs, then you have the athletic fans who care about ALL sports at UND and want to see the nickname/logo go because the NCAA ruled they don't care about state laws and UND had 3 years to get approval and the time was over in November 2010. UND and the SBoHE has nothing to do with these petitions that they are trying to get people to sign to get the name on a ballot for a state wide vote. All of this will pass with time. UND comes off of the H&A list tomorrow as it is the official day of retirement for the name/logo. UND has already started their transition into their new logo (the interlocking ND) and just North Dakota on the uniforms. The hockey teams will get their new uniforms in January because they are on order.

[JBB]

If UND had the same deal as USD with membership into the MVFC for football they would have chosen the MVFC over the Big Sky. UND was going to the Summit they had a visit planned before the BSC asked UND to join. But since football would have been left out in the cold UND picked the BSC over the Summit. As for this guy that is a nickname supporter, most likely he is a hockey only fan. There is a division among UND fans now. You have the hockey only fans and you have the athletic fans (I am part of them). The hockey only crowd only cares about hockey and the Ralph, and wants the logo and nickname to stay at all costs, then you have the athletic fans who care about ALL sports at UND and want to see the nickname/logo go because the NCAA ruled they don't care about state laws and UND had 3 years to get approval and the time was over in November 2010. UND and the SBoHE has nothing to do with these petitions that they are trying to get people to sign to get the name on a ballot for a state wide vote. All of this will pass with time. UND comes off of the H&A list tomorrow as it is the official day of retirement for the name/logo. UND has already started their transition into their new logo (the interlocking ND) and just North Dakota on the uniforms. The hockey teams will get their new uniforms in January because they are on order.

Paragraphs please!

Nobody wanted UND in the MVFC. What you saw was the MVFC and USD giving UND the slip and dumping a huge problem on the BSC. The reasons for that are obvious and some of the teams had been in a conference with UND before. The Summit may have taken them but not any more. That bridge is burned and UND is just not stable enough.

[grizzaholic]

If UND had the same deal as USD with membership into the MVFC for football they would have chosen the MVFC over the Big Sky. UND was going to the Summit they had a visit planned before the BSC asked UND to join. But since football would have been left out in the cold UND picked the BSC over the Summit. As for this guy that is a nickname supporter, most likely he is a hockey only fan. There is a division among UND fans now. You have the hockey only fans and you have the athletic fans (I am part of them). The hockey only crowd only cares about hockey and the Ralph, and wants the logo and nickname to stay at all costs, then you have the athletic fans who care about ALL sports at UND and want to see the nickname/logo go because the NCAA ruled they don't care about state laws and UND had 3 years to get approval and the time was over in November 2010. UND and the SBoHE has nothing to do with these petitions that they are trying to get people to sign to get the name on a ballot for a state wide vote. All of this will pass with time. UND comes off of the H&A list tomorrow as it is the official day of retirement for the name/logo. UND has already started their transition into their new logo (the interlocking ND) and just North Dakota on the uniforms. The hockey teams will get their new uniforms in January because they are on order.

Paragraphs please!

Nobody wanted UND in the MVFC. What you saw was the MVFC and USD giving UND the slip and dumping a huge problem on the BSC. The reasons for that are obvious and some of the teams had been in a conference with UND before. The Summit may have taken them but not any more. That bridge is burned and UND is just not stable enough.

Quit posting, PLEASE!

[JBB]

Put me on ignore you dumb idiot.

[grizzaholic]

Put me on ignore you dumb idiot.

More hate.

[bisonguy]

It was Rob Port on the radio the other day. He's one of the sayanthingblog puppets of Scott Hennen, a North Dakota right-wing radio talkshow host who owns the website. Coincidentally, Al Carslon, the nutjob who introduced and grandstanded the bill to keep the Fighting Sioux nickname is another right-winger. Hennen is trying to save face for Carlson's attempt at running for the soon-to-be-vacated US House seat, but only making him look like an even larger idiot.

[SloStang]

Chief Talk-a-Lots words were venemous, Filled with half truths, innuendo, misrepresentation, revenge and anger.

Sounds like he took lessons from you.

[SuperHornet]

Chief Talk-a-Lots words were venemous, Filled with half truths, innuendo, misrepresentation, revenge and anger.

Sounds like he took lessons from you.

The thing one learns quickly about JaBBer and lakes is that they can definitely dish it out (particularly concerning their whipping boys at UND), but they DEFINITELY can't take it.

[MrTitleist]

Sounds like he took lessons from you.

The thing one learns quickly about JaBBer and lakes is that they can definitely dish it out (particularly concerning their whipping boys at UND), but they DEFINITELY can't take it.

Oh, he can definitely take it, if you know what I mean...

[WYOBISONMAN]

All I know is that about the only place you hear positive comments about UNDjoining the Big Sky is from UND fans. It seems if anything comes out from other fans or officials from other Big Sky schools as well as Fullerton, it is negative about UND joining or at least not positive remarks. I would not at all be shocked to see the invite pulled.

[houndawg]

The thing one learns quickly about JaBBer and lakes is that they can definitely dish it out (particularly concerning their whipping boys at UND), but they DEFINITELY can't take it.

Oh, he can definitely take it, if you know what I mean...

We do, he showed us the pics.....


...that had to hurt....

[grizzaholic]

All I know is that about the only place you hear positive comments about UNDjoining the Big Sky is from UND fans. It seems if anything comes out from other fans or officials from other Big Sky schools as well as Fullerton, it is negative about UND joining or at least not positive remarks. I would not at all be shocked to see the invite pulled.

I don't have a problem with it.

[JBB]

Chief Talk-a-Lots words were venemous, Filled with half truths, innuendo, misrepresentation, revenge and anger.

Sounds like he took lessons from you.

You are a hate fiilled man.... You lack tolerance and appear to be a product of the hate filled BSC fan base.

[Darell1976]

All I know is that about the only place you hear positive comments about UNDjoining the Big Sky is from UND fans. It seems if anything comes out from other fans or officials from other Big Sky schools as well as Fullerton, it is negative about UND joining or at least not positive remarks. I would not at all be shocked to see the invite pulled.

Fullerton hasn't said anything negative about UND joining the Big Sky. He looked at academics (oh wait that doesn't matter to Bison fans) when choosing UND, the only negative comment I have heard is Bison fans jealousy that we got in and NDSU had the door shut on them....TWICE!!!

[JBB]

Fullerton wrote the letter that warned UND. Its likely UND is stuck in the BSC for a long time. When NDSU wanted in it was the only game in town so you got the GWC. That wasnt a bad idea at all. Then the doors opened and the Big Dakota 3 moved on the the MVFC and the Summit leagues.

Im glad to see you, at least, are trying to put a good spin on your situation.

[SloStang]

Sounds like he took lessons from you.

You are a hate fiilled man.... You lack tolerance and appear to be a product of the hate filled BSC fan base.

You calling me or anyone hate filled is comical. Look in the mirror if you want to see hate filled and intolerance. I have never been banned from any message board. Is there any message board that you have posted on that you have not been banned or suspended from? I did not think so.

[Darell1976]

Fullerton wrote the letter that warned UND. Its likely UND is stuck in the BSC for a long time. When NDSU wanted in it was the only game in town so you got the GWC. That wasnt a bad idea at all. Then the doors opened and the Big Dakota 3 moved on the the MVFC and the Summit leagues.

Im glad to see you, at least, are trying to put a good spin on your situation.

Only that being on the H&A list may be a problem. But there was nothing negative about being accepted into the Big Sky. Big Sky was the only game in town for UND football.

[Willie]

You are a hate fiilled man.... You lack tolerance and appear to be a product of the hate filled BSC fan base.

You calling me or anyone hate filled is comical. Look in the mirror if you want to see hate filled and intolerance. I have never been banned from any message board. Is there any message board that you have posted on that you have not been banned or suspended from? I did not think so.

And he's damned lucky to not be banned from this one.

[SDHornet]

Here is the Bill Bradley article that got a lot of negativity from UND folks:

http://sacstatesports.com/2011/12/17/bi ... -sioux-go/

IMO the UND addition is absolutely awful without USD as a travel partner for Oly sports. This addition will have a huge negative impact on our budget at possibly the worst financial time.
I'd love to see UND's invite get revoked, but that probably isn't happening.

[Darell1976]

Here is the Bill Bradley article that got a lot of negativity from UND folks:

http://sacstatesports.com/2011/12/17/bi ... -sioux-go/

IMO the UND addition is absolutely awful without USD as a travel partner for Oly sports. This addition will have a huge negative impact on our budget at possibly the worst financial time.
I'd love to see UND's invite get revoked, but that probably isn't happening.

Regardless, because of the never-ending drama at North Dakota, UND is on the NCAA’s championship-host ban list. UND has to sell off all of their Fighting Sioux memorabilia and get a new nickname by next summer as part of their entry into the Big Sky. But there seems to be little movement toward changing the name, which should have happened months ago.

This guy is a total dumbass!!!! First UND has officially retired the name. UND cannot have a new name for 3 years. It is just North Dakota so that ends his championship host ban rant. Next retailers can sell as much Sioux stuff as they want until their stock runs out...NOT next summer. Why doesn't this guy get his shit straight before printing a bunch of lies. I am sure Terry Wanless doesn't like these lies posted about his former school.

[SDHornet]

Terry Wanless shouldn’t give a fuck about his former school as he is paid to worry about his current one. Since he is the one who gets to deal with the added financial costs and logistical hurdles associated with UND’s addition, I think he has more things to be concerned about than what an opinion piece says about his former employer.

[Darell1976]

Terry Wanless shouldn’t give a **** about his former school as he is paid to worry about his current one. Since he is the one who gets to deal with the added financial costs and logistical hurdles associated with UND’s addition, I think he has more things to be concerned about than what an opinion piece says about his former employer.

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Athletic directors from the Big Sky met earlier this month, Fullerton said. League expansion was discussed at that meeting as well.

“They (athletic directors) were very supportive of both Dakota schools,” Fullerton said.

I guess the AD's of the other schools doesn't have a problem..why just Sac St?