DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

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DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Yes, for sure
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Yes, IF there is state funding
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Yes, IF there is corperate naming rights
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Yes, BUT not in the next 10 years
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No, it wont get built. Why?
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Re: DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Postby HenZoneNation » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:29 am

What was Montana's attendance prior to WaGriz?

We've pretty much averaged a sell out for the last 3 years, so demand is increasing. I know a number of people who watched games from home because they literally couldn't get tickets. The jump to 16,000 is a big one, but with increased enrollment, and the fact you'd have guaranteed sellouts for at least the Montana, MSU, and homecoming games, I think it makes sense to look into the future.

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This is a very good point and brings up a question I think a lot of colleges are asking themselves...how valuable are these stadiums to promoting the programs? I can tell you as NY giants fans, I hate our new stadium. They jacked up our ticket prices, forced us to purchase PSL's, and in return we got a dull gray stadium with one escalator per entrance (it's literally a twenty minute ordeal to get from the entrance to the top level of the stadium). The result has been a massive decline in season ticket holders. They still sell out, but that 65 year waiting list is gone and they actively have to recruit fresh season ticket holders every year. The corporate boxes always struggle to sell out. But they went about it the wrong way.

I think Stadiums in college can, when done well, really add to the atmosphere. Love the red turf or hate, you can't argue that it wasn't good for EWU in regards to national attention. Having this project go through and making the stadium around it look more impressive can only help. The question though is how much will it help? Will the pros eventually out weigh the cons.

I know at UD, our administration has historically dragged their feet when it comes to football. Our Football program reads like bad fiction. From being one of the last schools to offer scholarships, allow freshmen to play, give adequate resources to the facilities, we have managed to put ourselves squarely in the shadows of programs like Rutgers, Temple, and UConn. Even now, with all the excitement that other FCS schools are generating with upgrades, we still struggle to keep up. To be fair, they have added indoor facilities, beer gardens, and tried to make the pre-game atmosphere more inviting, but aside from a few banners, we have really dropped the ball when it comes to football and I think it has had SOME, NOT ALL, to do with the lack of interest in the program.

I hope you guys get this done...Would look really cool.
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Re: DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Postby ewudood » Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:51 pm

Interesting points HenZoneNation. EWU has been selling out their stadium so with averaging about 9k in attendance, it's not that much of a stretch to get to 15k to 16k. Traditionally they only saw large crowds with UM and MSU, but the last few years even games against Sac and Weber State have sold beyond official capacity. Add a glitzy new stadium to replace our current one that screams "small time!" and the Spokane fanbase would show up. Not that I support it, but I bet EWU could hit 15k if they immediately moved their games to downtown Joe Albi stadium next year.

I personally get the feeling that EWU is moving quicker than us Eagle fans think on this project. From my understanding they had no problem getting the millions they needed to get the plans finished. Of course, we'll never get a peep out of the admin in regards to the fundraising but that's expected. Even if they're doing great, it wouldn't be in their best interest to announce that. Why would prospective donors step up of they get the impression others have already donated to the cause?

In EWU's case, the pros of the stadium far outweigh the cons. Their stadium capacity is already maxed out and they have good, solid data to show upward trends in attendance. The Gateway Project was also smartly designed so that while football is the main beneficiary, it also includes other uses for the student body. Although the final cost is around 70 million (pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things for a stadium), I believe they won't need to have the entire amount raised before construction would start. EWU also has seen spikes in enrollment interest after reaching the NCAA tournament and winning the FCS, so they've gotten a taste and some proof that athletic success is a great form of advertisement.

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Postby grizcountry420 » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:36 pm

ewudood wrote:Interesting points HenZoneNation. EWU has been selling out their stadium so with averaging about 9k in attendance, it's not that much of a stretch to get to 15k to 16k. Traditionally they only saw large crowds with UM and MSU, but the last few years even games against Sac and Weber State have sold beyond official capacity. Add a glitzy new stadium to replace our current one that screams "small time!" and the Spokane fanbase would show up. Not that I support it, but I bet EWU could hit 15k if they immediately moved their games to downtown Joe Albi stadium next year.

I personally get the feeling that EWU is moving quicker than us Eagle fans think on this project. From my understanding they had no problem getting the millions they needed to get the plans finished. Of course, we'll never get a peep out of the admin in regards to the fundraising but that's expected. Even if they're doing great, it wouldn't be in their best interest to announce that. Why would prospective donors step up of they get the impression others have already donated to the cause?

In EWU's case, the pros of the stadium far outweigh the cons. Their stadium capacity is already maxed out and they have good, solid data to show upward trends in attendance. The Gateway Project was also smartly designed so that while football is the main beneficiary, it also includes other uses for the student body. Although the final cost is around 70 million (pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things for a stadium), I believe they won't need to have the entire amount raised before construction would start. EWU also has seen spikes in enrollment interest after reaching the NCAA tournament and winning the FCS, so they've gotten a taste and some proof that athletic success is a great form of advertisement.



Dood! That has to be one of the most sugar coated posts ive seen in a long time.


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Re: DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Postby kalm » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:40 pm

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ewudood wrote:Interesting points HenZoneNation. EWU has been selling out their stadium so with averaging about 9k in attendance, it's not that much of a stretch to get to 15k to 16k. Traditionally they only saw large crowds with UM and MSU, but the last few years even games against Sac and Weber State have sold beyond official capacity. Add a glitzy new stadium to replace our current one that screams "small time!" and the Spokane fanbase would show up. Not that I support it, but I bet EWU could hit 15k if they immediately moved their games to downtown Joe Albi stadium next year.

I personally get the feeling that EWU is moving quicker than us Eagle fans think on this project. From my understanding they had no problem getting the millions they needed to get the plans finished. Of course, we'll never get a peep out of the admin in regards to the fundraising but that's expected. Even if they're doing great, it wouldn't be in their best interest to announce that. Why would prospective donors step up of they get the impression others have already donated to the cause?

In EWU's case, the pros of the stadium far outweigh the cons. Their stadium capacity is already maxed out and they have good, solid data to show upward trends in attendance. The Gateway Project was also smartly designed so that while football is the main beneficiary, it also includes other uses for the student body. Although the final cost is around 70 million (pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things for a stadium), I believe they won't need to have the entire amount raised before construction would start. EWU also has seen spikes in enrollment interest after reaching the NCAA tournament and winning the FCS, so they've gotten a taste and some proof that athletic success is a great form of advertisement.



Dood! That has to be one of the most sugar coated posts ive seen in a long time.


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Re: DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Postby EWURanger » Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:53 pm

grizcountry420 wrote:
ewudood wrote:Interesting points HenZoneNation. EWU has been selling out their stadium so with averaging about 9k in attendance, it's not that much of a stretch to get to 15k to 16k. Traditionally they only saw large crowds with UM and MSU, but the last few years even games against Sac and Weber State have sold beyond official capacity. Add a glitzy new stadium to replace our current one that screams "small time!" and the Spokane fanbase would show up. Not that I support it, but I bet EWU could hit 15k if they immediately moved their games to downtown Joe Albi stadium next year.

I personally get the feeling that EWU is moving quicker than us Eagle fans think on this project. From my understanding they had no problem getting the millions they needed to get the plans finished. Of course, we'll never get a peep out of the admin in regards to the fundraising but that's expected. Even if they're doing great, it wouldn't be in their best interest to announce that. Why would prospective donors step up of they get the impression others have already donated to the cause?

In EWU's case, the pros of the stadium far outweigh the cons. Their stadium capacity is already maxed out and they have good, solid data to show upward trends in attendance. The Gateway Project was also smartly designed so that while football is the main beneficiary, it also includes other uses for the student body. Although the final cost is around 70 million (pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things for a stadium), I believe they won't need to have the entire amount raised before construction would start. EWU also has seen spikes in enrollment interest after reaching the NCAA tournament and winning the FCS, so they've gotten a taste and some proof that athletic success is a great form of advertisement.



Dood! That has to be one of the most sugar coated posts ive seen in a long time.


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Interesting, I didn't think it was sugar coated at all. Good post.
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Re: DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Postby grizcountry420 » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:25 am

To say that you guys can get 15k to 16k to show up on Saturdays is like saying Montana should be able to draw 40k to 50k each home game, its not going to happen other than that, it was a pretty good post..

I wish you guys the best of luck.

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Postby EWURanger » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:37 pm

grizcountry420 wrote:To say that you guys can get 15k to 16k to show up on Saturdays is like saying Montana should be able to draw 40k to 50k each home game, its not going to happen other than that, it was a pretty good post..

I wish you guys the best of luck.

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Not really. EWU resides in a metro area of over 600k. Missoula is a fraction of that. Potential for increased attendance has more to do with population base than what you're drawing right now, or the size of your current stadium...I.E. Montana owns the majority of the share of their market...EWU doesn't, but even if we gain small increases in that market share our attendance could easily get to a 15k average with a better facility.
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Postby GoApps70 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:46 pm

Who was the genius that thought up this project.
Bet they worked for the BO administration.
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Postby kalm » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:50 pm

GoApps70 wrote:Who was the genius that thought up this project.
Bet they worked for the BO administration.


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Re: DO YOU THINK THE EWU GATEWAY PROJECT WILL BE BUILT?

Postby clenz » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:57 pm

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grizcountry420 wrote:To say that you guys can get 15k to 16k to show up on Saturdays is like saying Montana should be able to draw 40k to 50k each home game, its not going to happen other than that, it was a pretty good post..

I wish you guys the best of luck.

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Not really. EWU resides in a metro area of over 600k.

And with a title and multiple deep playoff runs/top 5 finishes/award winners you still haven't taped that market.

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Postby kalm » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:49 pm

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Not really. EWU resides in a metro area of over 600k.

And with a title and multiple deep playoff runs/top 5 finishes/award winners you still haven't taped that market.


It's been tapped but...

1) These things take time and we have shown considerable improvement in ticket sales and local media coverage over the last three years.

2) Stadium improvements that take us from a "high school/small college" perception to legitimate DI venue help immensely.

3) The other competing handles (WSU, GU, Chiefs, Shock) are still there. It takes time to get the stick in the mud Bud Light drinker (WSU fan) to try a craft brew. But it's happening more and more every year. :nod:
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Postby kalm » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:26 am

A.D. Bill Chaves just announced that 2014 season ticket sales have already surpassed 2013. :thumb:
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Postby EWURanger » Sat May 03, 2014 5:21 pm

One thing that's been stated in the past is that the program needs to stabilize attendance at around 10k per game to go forward. We're right around that number right now and word is that the 2014 season ticket sales will greatly surpass the 2013 mark which will also help that a great deal. I'm just getting tired of the "quiet phase" and am ready to see something happen.
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Postby GAD_SU » Sun May 04, 2014 1:03 pm

EWURanger wrote:
grizcountry420 wrote:To say that you guys can get 15k to 16k to show up on Saturdays is like saying Montana should be able to draw 40k to 50k each home game, its not going to happen other than that, it was a pretty good post..

I wish you guys the best of luck.

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Not really. EWU resides in a metro area of over 600k. Missoula is a fraction of that. Potential for increased attendance has more to do with population base than what you're drawing right now, or the size of your current stadium...I.E. Montana owns the majority of the share of their market...EWU doesn't, but even if we gain small increases in that market share our attendance could easily get to a 15k average with a better facility.

What percent of that 600k identifies with EWU? Just cause you're in a large metro area doesn't always mean the people will follow your team (Georgetown, Howard, Towson, Morgan State)are in large metro areas but none are known for having large fan followings

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Postby kalm » Sun May 04, 2014 5:04 pm

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Not really. EWU resides in a metro area of over 600k. Missoula is a fraction of that. Potential for increased attendance has more to do with population base than what you're drawing right now, or the size of your current stadium...I.E. Montana owns the majority of the share of their market...EWU doesn't, but even if we gain small increases in that market share our attendance could easily get to a 15k average with a better facility.

What percent of that 600k identifies with EWU? Just cause you're in a large metro area doesn't always mean the people will follow your team (Georgetown, Howard, Towson, Morgan State)are in large metro areas but none are known for having large fan followings


I've read upwards of 30k EWU alumni reside in Spokane County. More so than Gonzaga, Idaho, and WSU alumna combined.

As mentioned before, EWU was a commuter school for much of the 80's and 90's with little school identification. That has changed dramatically in the past decade.

Couple that with 6 times the population of Missoula and unaffiliated fans, and it's not hard to see Ranger's point.
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Postby EWURanger » Sun May 04, 2014 5:57 pm

kalm wrote:
GAD_SU wrote:What percent of that 600k identifies with EWU? Just cause you're in a large metro area doesn't always mean the people will follow your team (Georgetown, Howard, Towson, Morgan State)are in large metro areas but none are known for having large fan followings


I've read upwards of 30k EWU alumni reside in Spokane County. More so than Gonzaga, Idaho, and WSU alumna combined.

As mentioned before, EWU was a commuter school for much of the 80's and 90's with little school identification. That has changed dramatically in the past decade.

Couple that with 6 times the population of Missoula and unaffiliated fans, and it's not hard to see Ranger's point.


Most recent figures put 35k alumni in the greater Spokane area.
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Postby Mvemjsunpx » Sun May 04, 2014 6:45 pm

kalm wrote:Couple that with 6 times the population of Missoula and unaffiliated fans, and it's not hard to see Ranger's point.


UM's base of support is much larger than just Missoula County—try most of the western half of the state. Following the Griz (or the 'Cats) is more than just school affiliation, it's a state pride thing. That's why Griz/Cat is such a huge deal in a way that is disproportionate to the two schools' enrollments or the state's population. I doubt you'll see that level of "nationalism" for EWU anytime soon.

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Postby kalm » Mon May 05, 2014 8:25 pm

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kalm wrote:Couple that with 6 times the population of Missoula and unaffiliated fans, and it's not hard to see Ranger's point.


UM's base of support is much larger than just Missoula County—try most of the western half of the state. Following the Griz (or the 'Cats) is more than just school affiliation, it's a state pride thing. That's why Griz/Cat is such a huge deal in a way that is disproportionate to the two schools' enrollments or the state's population. I doubt you'll see that level of "nationalism" for EWU anytime soon.


Probably not, but the population base within a half hour could make up for that.
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Postby AZGrizFan » Mon May 05, 2014 9:03 pm

EWURanger wrote:One thing that's been stated in the past is that the program needs to stabilize attendance at around 10k per game to go forward. We're right around that number right now and word is that the 2014 season ticket sales will greatly surpass the 2013 mark which will also help that a great deal. I'm just getting tired of the "quiet phase" and am ready to see something happen.


What happens when Baldwin leaves? And he WILL leave...and the next coach isn't so successful? :coffee:
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EWURanger wrote:One thing that's been stated in the past is that the program needs to stabilize attendance at around 10k per game to go forward. We're right around that number right now and word is that the 2014 season ticket sales will greatly surpass the 2013 mark which will also help that a great deal. I'm just getting tired of the "quiet phase" and am ready to see something happen.


What happens when Baldwin leaves? And he WILL leave...and the next coach isn't so successful? :coffee:


Then we'll be on UM's level. :coffee:

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What happens when Baldwin leaves? And he WILL leave...and the next coach isn't so successful? :coffee:


Then we'll be on UM's level. :coffee:


Only 11 more conference championships in a row, 13 more playoff appearances, in a row, and six more national championship appearances and then and ONLY then will you be on Montana's level. :coffee:
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Postby kalm » Tue May 06, 2014 1:43 pm

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Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Then we'll be on UM's level. :coffee:


Only 11 more conference championships in a row, 13 more playoff appearances, in a row, and six more national championship appearances and then and ONLY then will you be on Montana's level. :coffee:


Yeah...that was an amazing run. While it lasted. :coffee:
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Postby AZGrizFan » Tue May 06, 2014 2:21 pm

kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Only 11 more conference championships in a row, 13 more playoff appearances, in a row, and six more national championship appearances and then and ONLY then will you be on Montana's level. :coffee:


Yeah...that was an amazing run. While it lasted. :coffee:


When is EWU going to have a "run"? :coffee:
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Postby Screamin_Eagle174 » Tue May 06, 2014 4:58 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Then we'll be on UM's level. :coffee:


Only 11 more conference championships in a row, 13 more playoff appearances, in a row, and six more national championship appearances and then and ONLY then will you be on Montana's level. :coffee:


Appearances... :rofl:

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