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http://www.delawareonline.com/article/2 ... GECAROUSEL

NCAA threatens to not allow playoff games in the state of Delaware if sports gambling is legalized in the state.
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They don't get it, do they...
(Delaware Governor) Markell called the NCAA's reaction to Delaware's sports betting proposal "retaliatory and inconsistent." He pointed to the college football bowl game held in Las Vegas every year as proof.
Bowl games aren't sanctioned by the NCAA...they are beauty contests...

Now, I know the folks here understand this...but you might hope that the governor of a state in which the top team is an FCS school would know enough to check...





Wait...it's a politician I'm talking about....never mind.....
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Sports betting bad. Hope it loses in General Assembly. Won't raise as much revenue as hoped. Already vented on AGS thread. UD will be OK either way.
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Sports betting is coming to Delaware, it'll be in place by July 1. The state is dead broke.
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bluehenbillk wrote:Sports betting is coming to Delaware, it'll be in place by July 1. The state is dead broke.
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Maryland voters approved slots last November with the promise of up to $900M just in application fees...

Budgets were built using that number...the salvation of Maryland was near...











Their application fees have not raised one third of that money...and slots are apparently not the panacea they were made out to be...

So, beware of gaming folks and politicians promising to fix budget woes with gambling...we may have hit the point of diminishing returns in this country...
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Col Hogan wrote:So, beware of gaming folks and politicians promising to fix budget woes with gambling...we may have hit the point of diminishing returns in this country...

Reppies! Oops! Wrong board! :oops:
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Col Hogan wrote:Maryland voters approved slots last November with the promise of up to $900M just in application fees...

Budgets were built using that number...the salvation of Maryland was near...



Their application fees have not raised one third of that money...and slots are apparently not the panacea they were made out to be...

So, beware of gaming folks and politicians promising to fix budget woes with gambling...we may have hit the point of diminishing returns in this country...
The other arguments against gambling that I've heard are:
- the money that is spent on gambling is money that would be spent at the grocery store, restaurant, movie theater, etc. so it really doesn't add anything to the economy.
- money spent on gambling does not cycle through the economy as much as money speng at the grocery store, restaurant, movie theater, etc. i.e. a $ spent at a restaurant might = $1.80 after the waiter spends his/her tip, the restaurant owner buys supplies, etc. while a $ spent on gambling might only mean $1.50.

Thus the best gambling revenue is the money spent by non-locals and too many places have gambling now so you don't draw as many out-of-staters.
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Gambling as worked so well to make Atlantic City the jewel of the Atlantic
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Ivytalk wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:So, beware of gaming folks and politicians promising to fix budget woes with gambling...we may have hit the point of diminishing returns in this country...

Reppies! Oops! Wrong board! :oops:


You're both correct. Gambling revenue as a panacea for budget ills. Never materializes.
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So if UD moved up, where would they go???

Play an independent schedule with Army and Navy?
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dbackjon wrote:So if UD moved up, where would they go???

Play an independent schedule with Army and Navy?
The Big East is looking for another team......
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bluehenbillk wrote:
dbackjon wrote:So if UD moved up, where would they go???

Play an independent schedule with Army and Navy?
The Big East is looking for another team......
If they split. If they don't, then would they take a football affiliate, and what would the rest of UD sports do?
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They've been looking for at least one football affiliate for the past 2 years, just google Big East with Navy or Army, you'll see the articles.
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bluehenbillk wrote:They've been looking for at least one football affiliate for the past 2 years, just google Big East with Navy or Army, you'll see the articles.
But what would the CAA do? Let them stay in all other sports?


One way Nevada stays legit is they ban betting on the local sports teams.

When UNLV made it to the championship games in the 1990's, the casinos lost a lot of money, because they could not accept bets on the game.
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And Reno hosted MANY, MANY playoff games back when they were I-AA
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Another angle I saw on this topic at AGS is that teams from South Carolina can host playoff games in spite of the NCAA ban over the confederate flag. It seems like UD could challenge this for a number of reasons.
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dbackjon wrote:And Reno hosted MANY, MANY playoff games back when they were I-AA
I wonder if free-wheeling Delaware will legalize prostitution next. :?

What our state needs is a good "head" tax. :P
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AshevilleApp wrote:Another angle I saw on this topic at AGS is that teams from South Carolina can host playoff games in spite of the NCAA ban over the confederate flag. It seems like UD could challenge this for a number of reasons.

Are you serious? It's the gosh darn state flag of SC! What kind of PC bull is that?
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oy... another step forward for gambling... a tax on people who can't do math.

more unfortunate is, as you guys have been saying... gambling doesn't fix state budget problems... but people assume it will because we've been conditioned for years that casinos are somehow a license to print money.

voters fail to realize all of the crap that comes with it... look at what a hell-hole las vegas is...

This is a symptom of a dangerous disease... people don't want to actually pay for all of the services they want... they think they are entitled to a level of government service that exceeds the level at which they are willing to set taxes. This is not something you can blame on politicians... voters demand this kind of stupidity... they all want to believe promises of something for nothing... then get pissed when things get tight, and the pols have to either cut or raise revenues. Problem is, anytime a pol stands up and calls for a real remedy (either cuts to service or tax hikes) they are run out of office on a rail.

Sorry, this probably belongs in the poli lounge - but this is one of those moments where politics and FCS lines are blurred.

The NCAA has suffered from point shaving scandals in the past. They are hyper-sensitive to the impact of gambling on their athletes... this is obviously compounded by the fact that they are unpaid college kids.

Obviously Delaware isn't going to be persuaded to bail on this foolhardy sports gaming plan just because it will force UD to the Farcical Bowl Series level... but it's a shame.
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NFL, NCAA oppose Del. gambling bill

State officials may have to run through the NCAA and National Football League before they can score additional revenue for Delaware through a sports betting lottery.

Representatives of the NFL and National Collegiate Athletic Association visited Dover this week to lobby against Gov. Jack Markell's proposal to reauthorize sports gambling in Delaware.

NCAA officials are threatening to ban all playoff games in Delaware if the state legalizes sports betting, and NFL representatives made their opposition known in a brief meeting with Markell on Thursday.

"I welcomed them to Delaware and they told me that they hoped I would reconsider my position," Markell said. "I told them I think we're coming from different places."

Markell is defending the proposal as a way to bring much-needed revenue into the state's general fund.

The proposed sports betting lottery is expected to generate about $55 million for the cash-strapped state in its first year if it clears the General Assembly.

By virtue of a brief and unsuccessful experiment with a sports lottery in the late 1970s, Delaware is one of only four states, along with Nevada, Montana and Oregon, grandfathered under a 1992 federal law that bans sports gambling.

Delaware's status as the only state east of the Mississippi River that can offer sports betting could provide an economic buffer against slot machine competition in neighboring Pennsylvania and Maryland.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4019996
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Herky wrote: Are you serious? It's the gosh darn state flag of SC! What kind of PC bull is that?
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Interesting tidbit from the NCAA - most of the college coaches attending this years Final Four stayed across the river in Windsor, Ontario at the Ceasar's Palace, where they offer - wait for it...



BETTING ON US COLLEGE BASKETBALL...

http://www.caesarswindsor.com/casinos/c ... etail.html
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dbackjon wrote:Interesting tidbit from the NCAA - most of the college coaches attending this years Final Four stayed across the river in Windsor, Ontario at the Ceasar's Palace, where they offer - wait for it...



BETTING ON US COLLEGE BASKETBALL...

http://www.caesarswindsor.com/casinos/c ... etail.html
Someone should check Rick Neuheisel's cell phone bill....
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bluehenbillk wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Interesting tidbit from the NCAA - most of the college coaches attending this years Final Four stayed across the river in Windsor, Ontario at the Ceasar's Palace, where they offer - wait for it...



BETTING ON US COLLEGE BASKETBALL...

http://www.caesarswindsor.com/casinos/c ... etail.html
Someone should check Rick Neuheisel's cell phone bill....
So the NCAA doesn't care if there is sports betting 10 miles from the Final Four, as long as it is across some arbitrary boundary...hypocrites
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