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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Baldy » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:51 am

In college football, perception is reality.

With the departure (recent) of GS, App, ODU, Coastal, FCS is considerably weaker than it was 5, 6, 7 years ago. Will FCS recover? Maybe, but it will be a long long time before that happens.

Just looking at the situation from my general neck of the woods, look at the teams who have left over the last 30 years. Is the Southland as good as or better now or when it had Arky State, LA Tech, ULM, Texas State, N Texas, and Troy?

IS the OVC as good as or better now or when it had MTSU and Western Kentucky?

The CAA lost ODU to FBS, and added Elon as a replacement.

The SoCon lost Marshall, App, and GS. Their respective replacements were Wofford, ETSU, and Mercer.

I'm sorry, but FCS/I-AA isn't what it used to be from a perception or a competitive standpoint.

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby 89Hen » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:01 pm

That pretty much settles it.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Chizzang » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:40 pm

Baldy wrote:In college football, perception is reality.

With the departure (recent) of GS, App, ODU, Coastal, FCS is considerably weaker than it was 5, 6, 7 years ago. Will FCS recover? Maybe, but it will be a long long time before that happens.

Just looking at the situation from my general neck of the woods, look at the teams who have left over the last 30 years. Is the Southland as good as or better now or when it had Arky State, LA Tech, ULM, Texas State, N Texas, and Troy?

IS the OVC as good as or better now or when it had MTSU and Western Kentucky?

The CAA lost ODU to FBS, and added Elon as a replacement.

The SoCon lost Marshall, App, and GS. Their respective replacements were Wofford, ETSU, and Mercer.

I'm sorry, but FCS/I-AA isn't what it used to be from a perception or a competitive standpoint.



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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Baldy » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:06 am

Chizzang wrote:
Baldy wrote:In college football, perception is reality.

With the departure (recent) of GS, App, ODU, Coastal, FCS is considerably weaker than it was 5, 6, 7 years ago. Will FCS recover? Maybe, but it will be a long long time before that happens.

Just looking at the situation from my general neck of the woods, look at the teams who have left over the last 30 years. Is the Southland as good as or better now or when it had Arky State, LA Tech, ULM, Texas State, N Texas, and Troy?

IS the OVC as good as or better now or when it had MTSU and Western Kentucky?

The CAA lost ODU to FBS, and added Elon as a replacement.

The SoCon lost Marshall, App, and GS. Their respective replacements were Wofford, ETSU, and Mercer.

I'm sorry, but FCS/I-AA isn't what it used to be from a perception or a competitive standpoint.



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I remember when Boise State and Nevada left the big sky
it hurt for a while but the Big Sky is absolutely flourishing right now

I'm sure they are, but the SoCon will never be the same again, and neither will the FCS.

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:11 am

Baldy wrote:In college football, perception is reality.

With the departure (recent) of GS, App, ODU, Coastal, FCS is considerably weaker than it was 5, 6, 7 years ago. Will FCS recover? Maybe, but it will be a long long time before that happens.

Just looking at the situation from my general neck of the woods, look at the teams who have left over the last 30 years. Is the Southland as good as or better now or when it had Arky State, LA Tech, ULM, Texas State, N Texas, and Troy?

IS the OVC as good as or better now or when it had MTSU and Western Kentucky?

The CAA lost ODU to FBS, and added Elon as a replacement.

The SoCon lost Marshall, App, and GS. Their respective replacements were Wofford, ETSU, and Mercer.

I'm sorry, but FCS/I-AA isn't what it used to be from a perception or a competitive standpoint.


Like I've been saying over and over, ECB may be down, but that's why we may end up with an all WCB final four this year.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby 93henfan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:43 am

Chizzang wrote:the Big Sky is absolutely flourishing right now



It is? I watched a few games on Root Sports on Dish Network this year and I wasn't very impressed.

None of those teams can compete with NDSU (i.e. the subject of the thread).

I mean, NDSU took it easy on Mt St yesterday and still won by 42. :lol:

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby 93henfan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:47 am

Gil Dobie wrote:Like I've been saying over and over, ECB may be down, but that's why we may end up with an all WCB final four this year.


No chance at that. They're all on one side of the bracket, with Maine. We could get a half Plains, half WCB final four though; a not unlikely scenario.

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Baldy » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:13 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
Baldy wrote:In college football, perception is reality.

With the departure (recent) of GS, App, ODU, Coastal, FCS is considerably weaker than it was 5, 6, 7 years ago. Will FCS recover? Maybe, but it will be a long long time before that happens.

Just looking at the situation from my general neck of the woods, look at the teams who have left over the last 30 years. Is the Southland as good as or better now or when it had Arky State, LA Tech, ULM, Texas State, N Texas, and Troy?

IS the OVC as good as or better now or when it had MTSU and Western Kentucky?

The CAA lost ODU to FBS, and added Elon as a replacement.

The SoCon lost Marshall, App, and GS. Their respective replacements were Wofford, ETSU, and Mercer.

I'm sorry, but FCS/I-AA isn't what it used to be from a perception or a competitive standpoint.


Like I've been saying over and over, ECB may be down, but that's why we may end up with an all WCB final four this year.

When the ECB is down, the entire subdivision is down.

The Big Sky may be maintaining somewhat. However, the MVFC in general (NDSU in particular) is the extreme outlier in this situation.

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:18 am

93henfan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Like I've been saying over and over, ECB may be down, but that's why we may end up with an all WCB final four this year.


No chance at that. They're all on one side of the bracket, with Maine. We could get a half Plains, half WCB final four though; a not unlikely scenario.


WCB = West of the Mississippi. :nod:
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby 93henfan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:20 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
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No chance at that. They're all on one side of the bracket, with Maine. We could get a half Plains, half WCB final four though; a not unlikely scenario.


WCB = West of the Mississippi. :nod:


:lol:

You do realize that the Fargo Dome is closer to Delaware Stadium than to UC Davis, right?

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:28 am

Baldy wrote:
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Like I've been saying over and over, ECB may be down, but that's why we may end up with an all WCB final four this year.

When the ECB is down, the entire subdivision is down.

The Big Sky may be maintaining somewhat. However, the MVFC in general (NDSU in particular) is the extreme outlier in this situation.


The MVFC and Big Sky, like the CAA for a few years, and the SoCon until the departures, are the current what makes the FCS as strong as ever. I would not be surprised to see SDSU, EWU or Weber win this year. ECB teams could win too, just would be a little more surprised.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:29 am

93henfan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
WCB = West of the Mississippi. :nod:


:lol:

You do realize that the Fargo Dome is closer to Delaware Stadium than to UC Davis, right?


The last several years the Fargodome was 80 miles from a Big Sky stadium. :D
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby 93henfan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:31 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
93henfan wrote:
:lol:

You do realize that the Fargo Dome is closer to Delaware Stadium than to UC Davis, right?


The last several years the Fargodome was 80 miles from a Big Sky stadium. :D


And Idaho was in the Sun Belt.

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:32 am

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The last several years the Fargodome was 80 miles from a Big Sky stadium. :D


And Idaho was in the Sun Belt.


Good point, but they are still west of ole muddy.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:04 am

Southern Conference hasn't been in the Championship game since 2007, so they have been down for quite a while.


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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Rapidfire72 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:03 pm

NDSU has built a dynasty and athletes know they nearly have a guaranteed ring during their 4 year tenure. They pull FBS offered recruits for this reason alone. Just knowing even if you don't make the league you were a part of something special and have something to show for it to pass on generations.

If I was offered by HI, Wyoming, UTEP, UNLV, Nevada, Utah State ect, and had a NDSU offer thrown in you bet your ass I'd take the NDSU offer. This program is long mis-placed and it's ridiculous that any other FCS program should be measured against them.

They won't move because doing some would make them just another program in the long list of FBS programs. The domination would be over and rings, trophies and everything else they receive now would be non-existent for a LONG time.

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Rapidfire72 wrote:NDSU has built a dynasty and athletes know they nearly have a guaranteed ring during their 4 year tenure. They pull FBS offered recruits for this reason alone. Just knowing even if you don't make the league you were a part of something special and have something to show for it to pass on generations.

If I was offered by HI, Wyoming, UTEP, UNLV, Nevada, Utah State ect, and had a NDSU offer thrown in you bet your ass I'd take the NDSU offer. This program is long mis-placed and it's ridiculous that any other FCS program should be measured against them.

They won't move because doing some would make them just another program in the long list of FBS programs. The domination would be over and rings, trophies and everything else they receive now would be non-existent for a LONG time.
They won't move because they don't have a home (i.e. conference) to move into.

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Wildcat Ryan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:23 pm

The FCS may not be as strong as it was when App State and Geo South were apart of it, but my desire to watch the FCS has never been higher than it is right now. Having a team that you root for constantly win doesnt hurt either.
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Re: RE: Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby SuperHornet » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:27 pm

UNI88 wrote:They won't move because they don't have a home (i.e. conference) to move into.

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That is no longer an issue. All they have to do is ask for the Liberty treatment. They were allowed to jump as an independent despite the rule requiring a conference invitation.

Of course, it IS much easier to get games when one is in a conference. NDSU COULD try the Liberty route, though....
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UNI88 wrote:They won't move because they don't have a home (i.e. conference) to move into.

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That is no longer an issue. All they have to do is ask for the Liberty treatment. They were allowed to jump as an independent despite the rule requiring a conference invitation.

Of course, it IS much easier to get games when one is in a conference. NDSU COULD try the Liberty route, though....
Apples to oranges. Liberty is a private school with big bucks behind it and a plethora of G5 and P5 opponents nearby. NDSU is a public school that can't spend money frivolously and would have to travel far and wide to find opponents (& fewer home games). They also has a connection with SDSU and would probably be reluctant to leave them behind. The only options for them are the Mountain West and MAC and I don't think either will be calling in the near future.

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Re: RE: Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Gil Dobie » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:59 pm

UNI88 wrote:
Rapidfire72 wrote:NDSU has built a dynasty and athletes know they nearly have a guaranteed ring during their 4 year tenure. They pull FBS offered recruits for this reason alone. Just knowing even if you don't make the league you were a part of something special and have something to show for it to pass on generations.

If I was offered by HI, Wyoming, UTEP, UNLV, Nevada, Utah State ect, and had a NDSU offer thrown in you bet your ass I'd take the NDSU offer. This program is long mis-placed and it's ridiculous that any other FCS program should be measured against them.

They won't move because doing some would make them just another program in the long list of FBS programs. The domination would be over and rings, trophies and everything else they receive now would be non-existent for a LONG time.
They won't move because they don't have a home (i.e. conference) to move into.

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Also no stadium to support a FBS move. Unreasonable to go FBS with a 19,000 seat stadium. This run won't last forever, could be as simple as a coaching change. Short of a Big 12 invite or massive NCAA football reorg, I doubt the Bison move to FBS.
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Chizzang » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:52 pm

93henfan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:the Big Sky is absolutely flourishing right now



It is? I watched a few games on Root Sports on Dish Network this year and I wasn't very impressed.

None of those teams can compete with NDSU (i.e. the subject of the thread).

I mean, NDSU took it easy on Mt St yesterday and still won by 42. :lol:


Yes it is...
and the fact that nobody is as good as NDSU isn't necessarily a Big Sky problem

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

Postby Grizalltheway » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:36 pm

Chizzang wrote:
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It is? I watched a few games on Root Sports on Dish Network this year and I wasn't very impressed.

None of those teams can compete with NDSU (i.e. the subject of the thread).

I mean, NDSU took it easy on Mt St yesterday and still won by 42. :lol:


Yes it is...
and the fact that nobody is as good as NDSU isn't necessarily a Big Sky problem

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MSU was also 7-4 and had a linebacker playing QB all year. If EWU, Weber or Davis make it to Frisco, we'll find out what's what.

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