Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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Gil Dobie wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:53 pm
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In the Wiinter/Spring I-AA/Div II/Div III will be playing the "2020" season, and will be having the 2021 draft, so any 2020 seniors would be drafted in the year after the end of their college eligibility.
The NFL would have to make an exception to allow players not declared for the draft and/or the NCAA and exception for players to talk with agents while still actively playing.
No exception needs to be made to talk with agents. Notre Dame is the 1st link that popped up:
It is not a violation of NCAA rules if a student-athlete merely talks to an agent (as long as an agreement for agent representation is not established) or socializes with an agent
https://www3.nd.edu/~ncaacomp/Amateurism_Agents.shtml

NCAA has already granted an extra year of eligibility to all fall sports players, whether they play or not:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... igibility/
As far as signing with an agent, say in March or April, for pro prospect players who play in the Spring, then the NCAA would have to make an exception. Would they? After all, we are talking about mostly fringe pro prospect I-AA/Div II/Div III, 90+% of whom are just trying to get a rookie mini camp invite, and for whom only a fraction will even lead to a UDFA contract in early May after the draft (at that point would be down to the I-AA semifinals anyway).
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Re: Is FCS (Beside NDSU) Really This Bad?

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If NDSU makes the semi-finals and the draft is that weekend, and Lance did not declare because of NCAA rules, he can't be selected. He loses his first round money.
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If NDSU makes the semi-finals and the draft is that weekend, and Lance did not declare because of NCAA rules, he can't be selected. He loses his first round money.
The draft is currently scheduled to the weekend of the quarterfinals for I-AA (not sure about Div II and Div III). The NCAA will likely make a 2021 exception for those playing in their 2020 season in the Winter/Spring where they don’t have to declare by (just looked up in the past its been late Jan). Otherwise you have maybe 100+ players who are long shots on being drafted, need more games under their belt, being stuck in a very bad situation. That is a simple fix: Allow players to delare for the 2021 draft, but finish their ‘2020’ season.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:05 pm
Gil Dobie wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:33 pm
If NDSU makes the semi-finals and the draft is that weekend, and Lance did not declare because of NCAA rules, he can't be selected. He loses his first round money.
The draft is currently scheduled to the weekend of the quarterfinals for I-AA (not sure about Div II and Div III). The NCAA will likely make a 2021 exception for those playing in their 2020 season in the Winter/Spring where they don’t have to declare by (just looked up in the past its been late Jan). Otherwise you have maybe 100+ players who are long shots on being drafted, need more games under their belt, being stuck in a very bad situation. That is a simple fix: Allow players to delare for the 2021 draft, but finish their ‘2020’ season.
This all looks good and simple on paper, what about real life. There's the Senior bowl, the Combine, pro days, time away from practice and school to prepare for the draft.
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Kyle Emanuel signs with Texas. Another Bison on a 53 man roster.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:23 am
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The draft is currently scheduled to the weekend of the quarterfinals for I-AA (not sure about Div II and Div III). The NCAA will likely make a 2021 exception for those playing in their 2020 season in the Winter/Spring where they don’t have to declare by (just looked up in the past its been late Jan). Otherwise you have maybe 100+ players who are long shots on being drafted, need more games under their belt, being stuck in a very bad situation. That is a simple fix: Allow players to delare for the 2021 draft, but finish their ‘2020’ season.


This all looks good and simple on paper, what about real life. There's the Senior bowl, the Combine, pro days, time away from practice and school to prepare for the draft.
FWIW JMU’s last 2 drafted 7th round Jimmy Moreland (no combine invite) and Ben Dinucci (no All Star game or Combine invite).

What exactly then are the fringe seniors suppose to do that need to play another season of college ball to have any chance of being drafted and/or to improve their chance at getting a UDFA or rookie tryout (which describes most of the FCS top players)? NFL isn’t going to draft or even sign many fringe guys in 2021 who haven’t played since 2019.

And if the NCAA doesn’t let guys who declare for the draft play in the Spring, you’ll be able to count the # of players drafted from FCS on one hand. The 2 from NDSU and maybe a few others. It will even be less than last drafts record low of 7.
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BDKJMU wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:00 pm
Gil Dobie wrote:
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This all looks good and simple on paper, what about real life. There's the Senior bowl, the Combine, pro days, time away from practice and school to prepare for the draft.
FWIW JMU’s last 2 drafted 7th round Jimmy Moreland (no combine invite) and Ben Dinucci (no All Star game or Combine invite).

What exactly then are the fringe seniors suppose to do that need to play another season of college ball to have any chance of being drafted and/or to improve their chance at getting a UDFA or rookie tryout (which describes most of the FCS top players)? NFL isn’t going to draft or even sign many fringe guys in 2021 who haven’t played since 2019.

And if the NCAA doesn’t let guys who declare for the draft play in the Spring, you’ll be able to count the # of players drafted from FCS on one hand. The 2 from NDSU and maybe a few others. It will even be less than last drafts record low of 7.
Could be 3 from NDSU, Cox was there 4 years before LSU this year.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:07 pm
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FWIW JMU’s last 2 drafted 7th round Jimmy Moreland (no combine invite) and Ben Dinucci (no All Star game or Combine invite).

What exactly then are the fringe seniors suppose to do that need to play another season of college ball to have any chance of being drafted and/or to improve their chance at getting a UDFA or rookie tryout (which describes most of the FCS top players)? NFL isn’t going to draft or even sign many fringe guys in 2021 who haven’t played since 2019.

And if the NCAA doesn’t let guys who declare for the draft play in the Spring, you’ll be able to count the # of players drafted from FCS on one hand. The 2 from NDSU and maybe a few others. It will even be less than last drafts record low of 7.
Could be 3 from NDSU, Cox was there 4 years before LSU this year.
Cox won’t count as as FCS draft pick when the tallies are done.
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Really doesn't matter to me about these tallys. Once a Bison Always a Bison.
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