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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby GannonFan » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:28 am

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I've been around 16 years, since 2003. I saw I-AA schools play in Fargo in the late 1970's early 80's. Weber St and NAU back in the day.

Back in the days when Montana Tech, Carson-Newman, Arkansas Monticello, Concordia-St Paul were staples on your schedule?

Seeing a crappy Weber St or NAU who were D2 at the time doesn't mean you followed I-AA football back then.


Indeed. The real gut blow for FCS, IMO, has been the complete decimation of the Southern Conference to either teams leaving or traditional powers just fading away. No one really liked the SoCon when they were the dominant conference for 2 or 3 decades, but there was no doubt they were the bellwether of the subdivision.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:30 am

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I've been around 16 years, since 2003. I saw I-AA schools play in Fargo in the late 1970's early 80's. Weber St and NAU back in the day.

Back in the days when Montana Tech, Carson-Newman, Arkansas Monticello, Concordia-St Paul were staples on your schedule?

Seeing a crappy Weber St or NAU who were D2 at the time doesn't mean you followed I-AA football back then.


The year NDSU played Concordia St Paul, they also beat Ball St and Georgia Southern and lost on a blocked FG to Minnesota. Those teams were 1 offs, while Delaware had a real staple in West Chester.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:36 am

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I've been around 16 years, since 2003. I saw I-AA schools play in Fargo in the late 1970's early 80's. Weber St and NAU back in the day.

Back in the days when Montana Tech, Carson-Newman, Arkansas Monticello, Concordia-St Paul were staples on your schedule?

Seeing a crappy Weber St or NAU who were D2 at the time doesn't mean you followed I-AA football back then.


But I did see NDSU win college Division Titles, and a bowl win over Montana. The 1960's and 1970's, NDSU was in the same division as Delaware, and won 3 National Titles. I've been watching Bison football for 50+ years. I-AA didn't start until 1978. Many of us Bison fans wanted a move back then, but several conference members could not afford or want to make the move.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:37 am

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89Hen wrote:Back in the days when Montana Tech, Carson-Newman, Arkansas Monticello, Concordia-St Paul were staples on your schedule?

Seeing a crappy Weber St or NAU who were D2 at the time doesn't mean you followed I-AA football back then.


The year NDSU played Concordia St Paul, they also beat Ball St and Georgia Southern and lost on a blocked FG to Minnesota. Those teams were 1 offs, while Delaware had a real staple in West Chester.

You mean 3-8 Georgia Southern and 5-6 Ball State?
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:39 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
89Hen wrote:Back in the days when Montana Tech, Carson-Newman, Arkansas Monticello, Concordia-St Paul were staples on your schedule?

Seeing a crappy Weber St or NAU who were D2 at the time doesn't mean you followed I-AA football back then.


But I did see NDSU win college Division Titles, and a bowl win over Montana. The 1960's and 1970's, NDSU was in the same division as Delaware, and won 3 National Titles. I've been watching Bison football for 50+ years. I-AA didn't start until 1978. Many of us Bison fans wanted a move back then, but several conference members could not afford or want to make the move.

Nobody questioned your watching of NDSU Gil. We know you're a true fan of the Bizen.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:44 am

89Hen wrote:
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The year NDSU played Concordia St Paul, they also beat Ball St and Georgia Southern and lost on a blocked FG to Minnesota. Those teams were 1 offs, while Delaware had a real staple in West Chester.

You mean 3-8 Georgia Southern and 5-6 Ball State?


GSU did beat Elon and Coastal that year.

The following season beating Central Michigan 44-14, with Antonio Brown and Minnesota.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:51 am

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89Hen wrote:You mean 3-8 Georgia Southern and 5-6 Ball State?


GSU did beat Elon and Coastal that year.

The following season beating Central Michigan 44-14, with Antonio Brown and Minnesota.

:suspicious: 2006 Elon and Coastal were not good. Don't let a playoff berth for CCU fool you.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:56 am

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GSU did beat Elon and Coastal that year.

The following season beating Central Michigan 44-14, with Antonio Brown and Minnesota.

:suspicious: 2006 Elon and Coastal were not good. Don't let a playoff berth for CCU fool you.


Georgia Southern fans were saying how impressed they were with NDSU at the time. The just wished their team could have put up a fight.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:58 am

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89Hen wrote: :suspicious: 2006 Elon and Coastal were not good. Don't let a playoff berth for CCU fool you.


Georgia Southern fans were saying how impressed they were with NDSU at the time. The just wished their team could have put up a fight.

NDSU is an impressive program no doubt, but you are the outlier.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby GannonFan » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:00 am

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Georgia Southern fans were saying how impressed they were with NDSU at the time. The just wished their team could have put up a fight.

NDSU is an impressive program no doubt, but you are the outlier.


Agreed. It's not NDSU's fault that the rest of FCS has just dropped in quality over the past decade. :nod:
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:11 am

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89Hen wrote:NDSU is an impressive program no doubt, but you are the outlier.


Agreed. It's not NDSU's fault that the rest of FCS has just dropped in quality over the past decade. :nod:

Cripes, could you imagine how bad it would be without them?
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Silenoz » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:52 am

89Hen wrote:
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Agreed. It's not NDSU's fault that the rest of FCS has just dropped in quality over the past decade. :nod:

Cripes, could you imagine how bad it would be without them?


I watch Big Sky games all the time. I don't need to imagine.

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Re: RE: Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby UNI88 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:52 am

GannonFan wrote:Like I said, I call 'em like I see them, and while the NDSU team I saw in person on Saturday was a good team, there are just not as good as the other I-AA/FCS teams I've seen either in Newark or in other venues in my 45+ years of watching football at this level. The Appy St teams under Armanti Edwards were better. The UD '03 team was better. The GSU teams with AP were better. Heck, the surprise UMass team that won the title in '98 was better. The Marshall team with Randy Moss was a lot better. The Montana teams with Dan Dickenson were better. The GSU teams with Tracey Ham were better. The Arkansas St team that got flattened by those Tracey Ham teams was better. Give credit to NDSU for winning year after year. But that by itself is an indication of the weakness of FCS football these days that you can have a team win that many in a row without some other program or team stepping up. That's why I'm saving Gil's post, even he, as an NDSU fan, is saying this year's version isn't the same as the ones that came before it. If they win it again, as they will, that will speak volumes about the state of FCS football.
I disagree. What GSU and Ham did was incredible but the 2018 Bison beat the 1985 Eagles with Ham.

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Re: RE: Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:41 am

UNI88 wrote:the 2018 Bison beat the 1985 Eagles with Ham

Link please
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Re: RE: Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby UNI88 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:49 am

89Hen wrote:
UNI88 wrote:the 2018 Bison beat the 1985 Eagles with Ham

Link please


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You and Ganny are on here spouting your opinions that the Bison aren't as good as teams from the past so do I really need to add "in my opinion"? Do you have links showing they aren't as good?

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Re: RE: Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:52 am

UNI88 wrote:You and Ganny are on here spouting your opinions that the Bison aren't as good as teams from the past so do I really need to add "in my opinion"?

Yes. :kisswink:
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby GannonFan » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:55 am

I still have an old copy of EA Sports NCAA Football and I edit in teams. I just ran the simulation of the '85 Eagles with Ham and they ran roughshod over the 2018 Bison. 35-3 final for GSU. I felt bad for the Bison, just haven't been tested enough in the shell of the FCS they play in now. :rofl:
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Gil Dobie » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:05 am

GannonFan wrote:I still have an old copy of EA Sports NCAA Football and I edit in teams. I just ran the simulation of the '85 Eagles with Ham and they ran roughshod over the 2018 Bison. 35-3 final for GSU. I felt bad for the Bison, just haven't been tested enough in the shell of the FCS they play in now. :rofl:


1985 Bison would have beat the 85 Eagles, just sayin.

Bison has a wicked Veer options, with 2nd round draft pick Stacy Robinson to keep you honest. Robinson caught a few passes and a TD for the Giants in the Super Bowls.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby kalm » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:18 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
GannonFan wrote:I still have an old copy of EA Sports NCAA Football and I edit in teams. I just ran the simulation of the '85 Eagles with Ham and they ran roughshod over the 2018 Bison. 35-3 final for GSU. I felt bad for the Bison, just haven't been tested enough in the shell of the FCS they play in now. :rofl:


1985 Bison would have beat the 85 Eagles, just sayin.

Bison has a wicked Veer options, with 2nd round draft pick Stacy Robinson to keep you honest. Robinson caught a few passes and a TD for the Giants in the Super Bowls.


The ‘85 EWU Eagles made it to the playoffs in their 1st or 2nd year of eligibility as an independent (they had been denied Big Sky membership that Spring). They lost UNI in the quarters 17-14. UNI lost by a TD to GSU in the semis.

That EWU team would get destroyed by any of the last decade.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby UNI88 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:21 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
GannonFan wrote:I still have an old copy of EA Sports NCAA Football and I edit in teams. I just ran the simulation of the '85 Eagles with Ham and they ran roughshod over the 2018 Bison. 35-3 final for GSU. I felt bad for the Bison, just haven't been tested enough in the shell of the FCS they play in now. :rofl:


1985 Bison would have beat the 85 Eagles, just sayin.

Bison has a wicked Veer options, with 2nd round draft pick Stacy Robinson to keep you honest. Robinson caught a few passes and a TD for the Giants in the Super Bowls.


I don't know about that. The Eagles ran the Veer out of the Flexbone so they were more than familiar with it and Ham was transcendent player, better than Edwards IMO (is it ok to use text shortcuts like IMO 89? I know some of you curmudgeonly Hens fans have trouble with new fangled technology:D ). Ham and Erk led GSU from a startup to I-AA champions in a very short time.

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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby UNI88 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:24 am

kalm wrote:
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1985 Bison would have beat the 85 Eagles, just sayin.

Bison has a wicked Veer options, with 2nd round draft pick Stacy Robinson to keep you honest. Robinson caught a few passes and a TD for the Giants in the Super Bowls.


The ‘85 EWU Eagles made it to the playoffs in their 1st or 2nd year of eligibility as an independent (they had been denied Big Sky membership that Spring). They lost UNI in the quarters 17-14. UNI lost by a TD to GSU in the semis.

That EWU team would get destroyed by any of the last decade.


Exactly. I was at both of those games.

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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 89Hen » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:39 am

kalm wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
1985 Bison would have beat the 85 Eagles, just sayin.

Bison has a wicked Veer options, with 2nd round draft pick Stacy Robinson to keep you honest. Robinson caught a few passes and a TD for the Giants in the Super Bowls.


The ‘85 EWU Eagles made it to the playoffs in their 1st or 2nd year of eligibility as an independent (they had been denied Big Sky membership that Spring). They lost UNI in the quarters 17-14. UNI lost by a TD to GSU in the semis.

That EWU team would get destroyed by any of the last decade.

Just curious, who did EWU beat in the first round?
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Winterborn » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:56 pm

A bit late but my thoughts on the day:

93 is exactly how I pictured him. Just a typically government worker. :D

Ivy is much more distinguished in person than I thought and he already was pretty high in the book. Must be the education..... :kisswink:

It was a pleasure in meeting up with you two before the game. Appreciate the conversation and you guys swinging by. Always good to out a face to a name. :thumb:

Delaware has a nice stadium and it is only going to get better when the construction is completed. Would go to a game there even if NDSU wasn't playing and your tailgating fans were nice and even offered me a beer. :shock: :D :notworthy:

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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby 93henfan » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:15 pm

Winterborn wrote:A bit late but my thoughts on the day:

93 is exactly how I pictured him. Just a typically government worker. :D

Ivy is much more distinguished in person than I thought and he already was pretty high in the book. Must be the education..... :kisswink:

It was a pleasure in meeting up with you two before the game. Appreciate the conversation and you guys swinging by. Always good to out a face to a name. :thumb:

Delaware has a nice stadium and it is only going to get better when the construction is completed. Would go to a game there even if NDSU wasn't playing and your tailgating fans were nice and even offered me a beer. :shock: :D :notworthy:


It was definitely great meeting you, cx500d, POD Knows, Bisonoline, Southern Bison, and Upstate Bison. The top several programs in FCS should do these home and homes more regularly. Delaware and Montana is on my wish list.

I apologize for triggering a 25+ page thread (in 2 days!) on AGS about a fake FG I wasn't even still in the stadium to witness and questioning NDSU's dickishness. :lol: It's just kind of what I do.
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Re: 9/14/19: North Dakota State @ Delaware

Postby Winterborn » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:24 pm

93henfan wrote:
Winterborn wrote:A bit late but my thoughts on the day:

93 is exactly how I pictured him. Just a typically government worker. :D

Ivy is much more distinguished in person than I thought and he already was pretty high in the book. Must be the education..... :kisswink:

It was a pleasure in meeting up with you two before the game. Appreciate the conversation and you guys swinging by. Always good to out a face to a name. :thumb:

Delaware has a nice stadium and it is only going to get better when the construction is completed. Would go to a game there even if NDSU wasn't playing and your tailgating fans were nice and even offered me a beer. :shock: :D :notworthy:


It was definitely great meeting you, cx500d, POD Knows, Bisonoline, Southern Bison, and Upstate Bison. The top several programs in FCS should do these home and homes more regularly. Delaware and Montana is on my wish list.

I apologize for triggering a 25+ page thread (in 2 days!) on AGS about a fake FG I wasn't even still in the stadium to witness and questioning NDSU's dickishness. :lol: It's just kind of what I do.


Definitely agree on the home and home thing. Might make some of the playoff committee decisions a bit easier.

Never apologize, it is a sign of weakness. :nod: I think it is a fair comment and on one hand I agree with you and on the other I like it. That said, I sure will not complain when somebody else does it to us in the future.


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