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FCS HEADLINES (posted in AGS Forum)

This year, a whopping 167 players from current FCS schools were part of the 32 opening-day rosters for the NFL’s 100th season. Add in 43 players that were signed to practice squads (which go through frequent changes) and the FCS haul in the NFL is 210 (data courtesy Craig Haley of STATS). Notably, there are 39 inductees in the Pro Football Hall of Fame who represent current FCS institutions.


There have been three FCS wins at FBS sites this year. In 2018, FCS teams recorded seven wins against FBS schools. Since 1978, FCS schools have recorded double-digit win totals against the FBS six times, most recently in 2016 (10 that year). The FCS set a record in 2013 with 16 wins against FBS schools.

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1994 there were 86 players from just the SWAC and MEAC on opening day rosters. Not really a good measure of strength of anything.
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89Hen wrote:1994 there were 86 players from just the SWAC and MEAC on opening day rosters. Not really a good measure of strength of anything.
# of players in the NFL is a good measure and the current numbers show the strength of FCS.

Source for your HBCU numbers in 1994?

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In 2012 there were ELEVEN Montana Grizzlies on NFL rosters.

Today? ONE.

THAT is all you need to know about the strength of FCS football currently.
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AZGrizFan wrote:In 2012 there were ELEVEN Montana Grizzlies on NFL rosters.

Today? ONE.

THAT is all you need to know about the strength of FCS football currently.

That reflects more on the strength of Montana more than the fcs
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Wildcat Ryan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:In 2012 there were ELEVEN Montana Grizzlies on NFL rosters.

Today? ONE.

THAT is all you need to know about the strength of FCS football currently.

That reflects more on the strength of Montana more than the fcs
Nope. Almost guaranteed representation of teams across the board is down. Some of the biggest "providers" from the FCS level (App St, GSU, etc.) have moved up....who took their places? ETU? Mercer?

That's endemic of what's happened to FCS football...we may one day get back to where we (collectively) were, but I doubt it.
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vutomcat wrote:
89Hen wrote:1994 there were 86 players from just the SWAC and MEAC on opening day rosters. Not really a good measure of strength of anything.
# of players in the NFL is a good measure and the current numbers show the strength of FCS.

Source for your HBCU numbers in 1994?
https://theundefeated.com/features/32-h ... l-rosters/
That’s a 50-player drop from back in 1994 when the BCSP began publishing its report. There were 86 HBCU players on opening-day active rosters that year. That list included legends such as future Professional Football Hall of Famers Jackie Slater (Jackson State University), Jerry Rice (Mississippi Valley State University) and Michael Strahan (Texas Southern University).

The numbers have steadily declined since.
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Yeah, looking at this year's field, anyone making a case for the strength of FCS is in deep denial or smoking some really choice indica strain.

FCS is horrible presently, and for most of this decade frankly. You can spin with statistics, but wins against FBS are way down, and if you've watched the sport for a few decades, it's just obvious.

Even if you want to go the statistical route, there is only one FCS in the Top 50 of Sagarin , two in the Top 75, and five in the Top 100. That is very low historically for FCS.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:

That reflects more on the strength of Montana more than the fcs
Nope. Almost guaranteed representation of teams across the board is down. Some of the biggest "providers" from the FCS level (App St, GSU, etc.) have moved up....who took their places? ETU? Mercer?

That's endemic of what's happened to FCS football...we may one day get back to where we (collectively) were, but I doubt it.
Montana and the HBCU’s are down since ‘94! Beyond anecdotal! :lol:

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kalm wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nope. Almost guaranteed representation of teams across the board is down. Some of the biggest "providers" from the FCS level (App St, GSU, etc.) have moved up....who took their places? ETU? Mercer?

That's endemic of what's happened to FCS football...we may one day get back to where we (collectively) were, but I doubt it.
Montana and the HBCU’s are down since ‘94! Beyond anecdotal! :lol:

Oh...and 93hen...it’s sativa.

I put indica in because I know you're in love with CBD, which does nothing for me. I really think it's psychosomatic BS, but that's just me.
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vutomcat wrote:
89Hen wrote:1994 there were 86 players from just the SWAC and MEAC on opening day rosters. Not really a good measure of strength of anything.
# of players in the NFL is a good measure and the current numbers show the strength of FCS.

Source for your HBCU numbers in 1994?
You can go to HBCU YARD SPORTS its a website on Twitter they have plenty of information.

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AZGrizFan wrote:In 2012 there were ELEVEN Montana Grizzlies on NFL rosters.

Today? ONE.

THAT is all you need to know about the strength of FCS football currently.
Montana was once the standard for the FCS in the '90s.

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89Hen wrote:
vutomcat wrote:
# of players in the NFL is a good measure and the current numbers show the strength of FCS.

Source for your HBCU numbers in 1994?
https://theundefeated.com/features/32-h ... l-rosters/
That’s a 50-player drop from back in 1994 when the BCSP began publishing its report. There were 86 HBCU players on opening-day active rosters that year. That list included legends such as future Professional Football Hall of Famers Jackie Slater (Jackson State University), Jerry Rice (Mississippi Valley State University) and Michael Strahan (Texas Southern University).

The numbers have steadily declined since.
You forgot Aeneas Williams of Southern another HOF from the '90s

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:

That reflects more on the strength of Montana more than the fcs
Nope. Almost guaranteed representation of teams across the board is down. Some of the biggest "providers" from the FCS level (App St, GSU, etc.) have moved up....who took their places? ETU? Mercer?

That's endemic of what's happened to FCS football...we may one day get back to where we (collectively) were, but I doubt it.
JMU has ten on NFL rosters right now (7 active, 3 practice squads). An 11th that was cut in training camp.
2012 was probably 1/2 that..

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93henfan wrote:
kalm wrote:
Montana and the HBCU’s are down since ‘94! Beyond anecdotal! :lol:

Oh...and 93hen...it’s sativa.

I put indica in because I know you're in love with CBD, which does nothing for me. I really think it's psychosomatic BS, but that's just me.
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Talk about anecdotal/psychosomatic! :mrgreen:
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Yeah. I look like Willie Fucking Mosconi at the pool hall after five beers too.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:

That reflects more on the strength of Montana more than the fcs
Nope. Almost guaranteed representation of teams across the board is down. Some of the biggest "providers" from the FCS level (App St, GSU, etc.) have moved up....who took their places? ETU? Mercer?

That's endemic of what's happened to FCS football...we may one day get back to where we (collectively) were, but I doubt it.

North Dakota State, South Dakota State, James Madison, and dare I say Weber State, are all decent programs that have emerged since the schools you mentioned left.

The real difference is the teams that used to be the power that are still fcs have slightly fallen off the map, giving the appearance of a weak division.
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Wildcat Ryan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nope. Almost guaranteed representation of teams across the board is down. Some of the biggest "providers" from the FCS level (App St, GSU, etc.) have moved up....who took their places? ETU? Mercer?

That's endemic of what's happened to FCS football...we may one day get back to where we (collectively) were, but I doubt it.

North Dakota State, South Dakota State, James Madison, and dare I say Weber State, are all decent programs that have emerged since the schools you mentioned left.

The real difference is the teams that used to be the power that are still fcs have slightly fallen off the map, giving the appearance of a weak division.
How many players from those four schools in the NFL in the past 5 years?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:

North Dakota State, South Dakota State, James Madison, and dare I say Weber State, are all decent programs that have emerged since the schools you mentioned left.

The real difference is the teams that used to be the power that are still fcs have slightly fallen off the map, giving the appearance of a weak division.
How many players from those four schools in the NFL in the past 5 years?

There are 157 FCS players currently in the NFL. I dont know how many players in 2000 were from FCS schools but I'd be surprised if it was that much different.

To answer your question, though, each school has about 4 in the last 5 years which means about one a year.
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The Citadel currently has 4 players on the roster with legitimate shots at the NFL


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What a lot of people didn't realize is we got a lot of talent because they grew up watching our games and they wanted to play in the SWAC. Chris Allen LB U of Alabama has a few family members who work at Southern, Navy RB Nelson Smith both his parents went to Southern its just a lot harder for us to get those kids now because so many schools now recruit this state
Listen to Marcus Spears answer when asked who's the best college player of all time
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Lots of those kids go FBS and some go on the the NFL but when the finish the often end up right back at home cheering for there favorite SWAC team

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wildcat Ryan wrote:

North Dakota State, South Dakota State, James Madison, and dare I say Weber State, are all decent programs that have emerged since the schools you mentioned left.

The real difference is the teams that used to be the power that are still fcs have slightly fallen off the map, giving the appearance of a weak division.
How many players from those four schools in the NFL in the past 5 years?
6 Bison in the NFL. JMU is now the power in the CAA, EWU and Weber in the Big Sky. Montana is up and down, Delaware mostly down. Those are the fans saying FCS is down
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How good is your school at football. Cost/win in 2017:
  • NDSU $377,242
    USD $454,348 smallest budget by far on list and 8 wins.
    SDSU $561,248
    JMU $722,261
    Montana $872,217
    App State $945,009
    Delaware $1,093,447
    UND $1,488,032
    University Oregon $3,614,005
    Iowa $3,993,824 :rofl: 2016: 10:1 spending advantage over the Bison and they lose in a convincing fashion at home
    Alabama $4,788,646
Nobody is as good at football as NDSU. They have the best College of Football in the land. Its been this way for years, its just getting a little more apparent.

If the FCS is weaker schools aren't spending their money efficiently because there is more money in FCS than ever before. I would look to the administrations and how they are doing.
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GAD_SU wrote:What a lot of people didn't realize is we got a lot of talent because they grew up watching our games and they wanted to play in the SWAC. Chris Allen LB U of Alabama has a few family members who work at Southern, Navy RB Nelson Smith both his parents went to Southern its just a lot harder for us to get those kids now because so many schools now recruit this state
Listen to Marcus Spears answer when asked who's the best college player of all time
https://youtu.be/gEpHjYcxQdA
Lots of those kids go FBS and some go on the the NFL but when the finish the often end up right back at home cheering for there favorite SWAC team
Southern has a QB named DJ White listed at 6-5 230 why isn't he the starting QB his parents are SU Alum.

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