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I actually saw some empty seats in that early playoff gameBobcat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:55 pm Yeah the Grizz have definitely fell on hard times. Its amazing how bad they have been for as long as its been. Wasnt the new old coach supposed to return them to dominance, how long does that take?
Its even more glaring that they cant compete in the current FCS as weak as it is. Thats how far they have slid.
To be fair, the Griz have never sold out Thanksgiving weekend once.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:36 pmI actually saw some empty seats in that early playoff gameBobcat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:55 pm Yeah the Grizz have definitely fell on hard times. Its amazing how bad they have been for as long as its been. Wasnt the new old coach supposed to return them to dominance, how long does that take?
Its even more glaring that they cant compete in the current FCS as weak as it is. Thats how far they have slid.
Every playoff venue has empty seats..Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:36 pmI actually saw some empty seats in that early playoff gameBobcat wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:55 pm Yeah the Grizz have definitely fell on hard times. Its amazing how bad they have been for as long as its been. Wasnt the new old coach supposed to return them to dominance, how long does that take?
Its even more glaring that they cant compete in the current FCS as weak as it is. Thats how far they have slid.
Are you welcoming Montana to FCS?kalm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:27 amEvery playoff venue has empty seats..Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:36 pm
I actually saw some empty seats in that early playoff game
Welcome to FCS!
Have you watched any Montana playoff games or historically tracked attendance at all? Or any other schools? Even NDSU has some empty seats. There might be a few exceptions depending on game time, weather and opponent but making fun of playoff attendance typically comes from new and/or younger fans.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:48 amAre you welcoming Montana to FCS?
Montana always had less empty seats and many times none
But you had to know that right
I was surprised to see that many empty seats at a Montana playoff game
I’m not making fun of attendance, I’m passing along an observation. that area of the end zone is usually packed at Montana …. Even on TG weekendkalm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:59 amHave you watched any Montana playoff games or historically tracked attendance at all? Or any other schools? Even NDSU has some empty seats. There might be a few exceptions depending on game time, weather and opponent but making fun of playoff attendance typically comes from new and/or younger fans.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:48 am
Are you welcoming Montana to FCS?
Montana always had less empty seats and many times none
But you had to know that right
I was surprised to see that many empty seats at a Montana playoff game
Bowl games are similar BTW.
In 1990 there were 107 I-A teams. Next year there will be 134. If you don't think that impacts the quality of I-AA then we're at an impasse.
The top DIi could have beat the top I-AA teams in 1990. Not happening in 2024. Very few of the non-power 5 teams would be competitive in FCS. That is where the watering down has happened.
FCS after the big 3 is nothing like it used to be
Let the church say Amen some of those guys are NFL CALIBERMvemjsunpx wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:25 am The Ivy League will fiiiinnnnaaalllllyyyyy participate in the FCS playoffs.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... l-playoffs
Like I said, we're at an impasse. As you go down levels two or three teams can become dominant for LONG periods of time. Sure, there were stretches where GSU, YSU, AppSt had great runs, but not like you'd see in D2 and D3. Even with AppSt's threepeat there were 14 different teams in the chipper from 2000-2010 (five of which have moved up). Since then there has been one game of 13 that didn't feature NDSU or SDSU.
Good post.89Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:53 amLike I said, we're at an impasse. As you go down levels two or three teams can become dominant for LONG periods of time. Sure, there were stretches where GSU, YSU, AppSt had great runs, but not like you'd see in D2 and D3. Even with AppSt's threepeat there were 14 different teams in the chipper from 2000-2010 (five of which have moved up). Since then there has been one game of 13 that didn't feature NDSU or SDSU.
D2: NWMoSt, Valdosta St and Ferris State have made a combined 18 appearances in the NC in the last 20 years.
D3: Mount Union and Whitewater played for the championship 9 of ten years in a row and there have been only three years in the last 20 that didn't have one of them in it.
The bottom of FBS is watered down, I don't disagree but by you saying that shows how bad I-AA must be. Most of the teams that watered down I-A were pretty damn good I-AA teams. Idaho was pretty abismal in FBS and now they are very competitive. You really need to show your work on your theory because I'm not seeing it.
* abysmal89Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:53 amLike I said, we're at an impasse. As you go down levels two or three teams can become dominant for LONG periods of time. Sure, there were stretches where GSU, YSU, AppSt had great runs, but not like you'd see in D2 and D3. Even with AppSt's threepeat there were 14 different teams in the chipper from 2000-2010 (five of which have moved up). Since then there has been one game of 13 that didn't feature NDSU or SDSU.
D2: NWMoSt, Valdosta St and Ferris State have made a combined 18 appearances in the NC in the last 20 years.
D3: Mount Union and Whitewater played for the championship 9 of ten years in a row and there have been only three years in the last 20 that didn't have one of them in it.
The bottom of FBS is watered down, I don't disagree but by you saying that shows how bad I-AA must be. Most of the teams that watered down I-A were pretty damn good I-AA teams. Idaho was pretty abismal in FBS and now they are very competitive. You really need to show your work on your theory because I'm not seeing it.
Yes, to some extent. However, North Central has somewhat supplanted both. Mount Union is having a resurgence quite a bit; Johns Hopkins almost got to the NC game this past season.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 5:33 pm Has D3 shifted? Those 3 years without Whitewater or Mt Union all occurred in the last 8 games not 20 years and neither has actually won a national championship since 2015. Larry Kehres is retired from Mt Union and Lance Leipold moved from Whitewater to Buffalo to Kansas.
In 2003 Delaware won the title, Sagarin rating of 76.15.89Hen wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:53 amLike I said, we're at an impasse. As you go down levels two or three teams can become dominant for LONG periods of time. Sure, there were stretches where GSU, YSU, AppSt had great runs, but not like you'd see in D2 and D3. Even with AppSt's threepeat there were 14 different teams in the chipper from 2000-2010 (five of which have moved up). Since then there has been one game of 13 that didn't feature NDSU or SDSU.
D2: NWMoSt, Valdosta St and Ferris State have made a combined 18 appearances in the NC in the last 20 years.
D3: Mount Union and Whitewater played for the championship 9 of ten years in a row and there have been only three years in the last 20 that didn't have one of them in it.
The bottom of FBS is watered down, I don't disagree but by you saying that shows how bad I-AA must be. Most of the teams that watered down I-A were pretty damn good I-AA teams. Idaho was pretty abismal in FBS and now they are very competitive. You really need to show your work on your theory because I'm not seeing it.
I have always said that Mount Union needs to move up to the FCS LEVELbonarae wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:52 pmYes, to some extent. However, North Central has somewhat supplanted both. Mount Union is having a resurgence quite a bit; Johns Hopkins almost got to the NC game this past season.UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 5:33 pm Has D3 shifted? Those 3 years without Whitewater or Mt Union all occurred in the last 8 games not 20 years and neither has actually won a national championship since 2015. Larry Kehres is retired from Mt Union and Lance Leipold moved from Whitewater to Buffalo to Kansas.
