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Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:16 pm
by Midwest Bear
Don't be surprised to see the Bears make a showing this season and a better one next year.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:26 pm
by dbackjon
Midwest Bear wrote:Don't be surprised to see the Bears make a showing this season and a better one next year.

Have you had some good recruiting classes?

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:38 pm
by Midwest Bear
dbackjon wrote:
Midwest Bear wrote:Don't be surprised to see the Bears make a showing this season and a better one next year.

Have you had some good recruiting classes?
The classes have improved. Terry Allen is getting the program moving in the right direction. With a new AD coming in look for more money to flow to the football program.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:54 pm
by DJH
Are the Bears going to be able to put up more than 90 yards of offense against UNI?

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:59 pm
by clenz
DJH wrote:Are the Bears going to be able to put up more than 90 yards of offense against UNI?
That is their improvement. They are shooting for 102 yards. I believe they had about half their yards on one possession...maybe one play... last year.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:10 pm
by FargoBison
DJH wrote:Are the Bears going to be able to put up more than 90 yards of offense against UNI?
I think MSU should be a little bit more concerned with their defense, they did give up 300 rushing yards per game. I still don't know how a team can give up that many rushing yards, but somehow they did.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:11 pm
by JayJ79
clenz wrote:
DJH wrote:Are the Bears going to be able to put up more than 90 yards of offense against UNI?
That is their improvement. They are shooting for 102 yards. I believe they had about half their yards on one possession...maybe one play... last year.

The Bears had 42 of their 81 total offensive yards during one 4th quarter drive.
Unfortunately for them, that drive ended with an interception, which Craig James ran back 75 yards for a TD.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:12 pm
by pantherrob82
We hear this every year. Same with WIU.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:08 am
by D1B
Midwest Bear wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

Have you had some good recruiting classes?
The classes have improved. Terry Allen is getting the program moving in the right direction. With a new AD coming in look for more money to flow to the football program.
Terry Allen hasn't done shit since he left UNI. It all boils down to a few things:

Coaching and retaining exellent assistants
Motivating players
Recruiting

All of which are questionable and indicative of inherent flaws in MSU and Terry Allen.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:36 am
by clenz
JayJ79 wrote:
clenz wrote:That is their improvement. They are shooting for 102 yards. I believe they had about half their yards on one possession...maybe one play... last year.

The Bears had 42 of their 81 total offensive yards during one 4th quarter drive.
Unfortunately for them, that drive ended with an interception, which Craig James ran back 75 yards for a TD.
Thank you. I knew it was in the fourth quarter and the drive didn't end well for them. I don't think that was against our starters either.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:47 am
by JayJ79
clenz wrote:Thank you. I knew it was in the fourth quarter and the drive didn't end well for them. I don't think that was against our starters either.
But then, UNI has to replace a large part of their defense from last year.
So who knows how it will turn out....

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:59 am
by guinzone
Watch out for YSU.
If Summers stays healthy, they will be tough to beat. If Summers get's injured, YSU will find the basement.

Our defense looked fabulous in the Spring Game yesterday. It was tough to judge the offense. We are loaded at RB, but we are limited at QB. Our backups at QB are really bad.... and I mean really bad.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:12 am
by pantherrob82
guinzone wrote:Watch out for YSU.
If Summers stays healthy, they will be tough to beat. If Summers get's injured, YSU will find the basement.

Our defense looked fabulous in the Spring Game yesterday. It was tough to judge the offense. We are loaded at RB, but we are limited at QB. Our backups at QB are really bad.... and I mean really bad.
Every D looks good when playing the Penguins. ;)

You guys better be careful, you're about to fall into the MSU/WIU category. Last year was terrible. I've never been so out of a football game as when I tried to watch our game at Stambaugh Stadium. Real attendance must have been 2-3k in that giant stadium. I hope for a better show when I come back in 2010.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:34 pm
by SIUallDAY
Midwest Bear wrote:Don't be surprised to see the Bears make a showing this season and a better one next year.
Soooooooooo......U know that u guys come to Carbondale this year right????

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:48 pm
by dbackjon
SIUallDAY wrote:
Midwest Bear wrote:Don't be surprised to see the Bears make a showing this season and a better one next year.
Soooooooooo......U know that u guys come to Carbondale this year right????

Welcome to the board, SIUallDAY

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:14 pm
by guinzone
pantherrob82 wrote:
guinzone wrote:Watch out for YSU.
If Summers stays healthy, they will be tough to beat. If Summers get's injured, YSU will find the basement.

Our defense looked fabulous in the Spring Game yesterday. It was tough to judge the offense. We are loaded at RB, but we are limited at QB. Our backups at QB are really bad.... and I mean really bad.
Every D looks good when playing the Penguins. ;)

You guys better be careful, you're about to fall into the MSU/WIU category. Last year was terrible. I've never been so out of a football game as when I tried to watch our game at Stambaugh Stadium. Real attendance must have been 2-3k in that giant stadium. I hope for a better show when I come back in 2010.
Our record was a disgrace by that point in the season and the weather was pretty bad, hence the bad attendance. Too bad the atmosphere wasn't like the NDSU game in week 3, it was electric.

We are no MSU or WIU. We started 25+ different starters after the Ohio State game, due to injuries and a few players quitting. I'd like to see many teams win with that many new starters.

In my eyes:
-Should have never had lost @ SUU.
-Should never had lost vs. Liberty.
-Should have, at least had the opportunity to, beat UNI at home.
-Should have beaten ILSU, who we were leading at half.
-Had an opportunity to win @ MSU, down just 1 score at half.

That's at least five games that could have turned in our favor. The other 3: OSU, SDSU, and SIU were all blowouts.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:15 pm
by clenz
You had your chance to beat UNI at your house, on your homecoming, with UNI having a freshman QB and you didn't. Replay that game 9 more times under those same cirucmastances UNI wins going away 7 of them.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:29 pm
by guinzone
clenz wrote:You had your chance to beat UNI at your house, on your homecoming, with UNI having a freshman QB and you didn't. Replay that game 9 more times under those same cirucmastances UNI wins going away 7 of them.
We were 2-6.
We had lost 4 in a row.
We were coming off a 31-0 blowout loss to SIU.

Of course UNI wins that game going away. Here's the problem: UNI should have killed us and they did not. From that point on, there was no doubt in my mind that the Panthers would not win a National Title. If they couldn't kill us during the worst season in years, then I had great doubts they could win the National Championship.

Heacock and YSU have never been able to beat UNI, what makes you think we would the year we were 2-6!!?!?!?!

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:31 pm
by clenz
guinzone wrote:
clenz wrote:You had your chance to beat UNI at your house, on your homecoming, with UNI having a freshman QB and you didn't. Replay that game 9 more times under those same cirucmastances UNI wins going away 7 of them.
We were 2-6.
We had lost 4 in a row.
We were coming off a 31-0 blowout loss to SIU.

Of course UNI wins that game going away. Here's the problem: UNI should have killed us and they did not. From that point on, there was no doubt in my mind that the Panthers would not win a National Title. If they couldn't kill us during the worst season in years, then I had great doubts they could win the National Championship.

Heacock and YSU have never been able to beat UNI, what makes you think we would the year we were 2-6!!?!?!?!
Again, I bring up the fact it was garbage weather, UNI was playing a freshman QB, at your place, on your homecoming, against a 2-6 team that was your chance to beat UNI for the first time in almost 10 years. You blew you shot at it. You losing streak to UNI will rival PSU's to Michigan by the time you beat UNI.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:39 pm
by guinzone
clenz wrote:
guinzone wrote:
We were 2-6.
We had lost 4 in a row.
We were coming off a 31-0 blowout loss to SIU.

Of course UNI wins that game going away. Here's the problem: UNI should have killed us and they did not. From that point on, there was no doubt in my mind that the Panthers would not win a National Title. If they couldn't kill us during the worst season in years, then I had great doubts they could win the National Championship.

Heacock and YSU have never been able to beat UNI, what makes you think we would the year we were 2-6!!?!?!?!
Again, I bring up the fact it was garbage weather, UNI was playing a freshman QB, at your place, on your homecoming, against a 2-6 team that was your chance to beat UNI for the first time in almost 10 years. You blew you shot at it. You losing streak to UNI will rival PSU's to Michigan by the time you beat UNI.
Our best chance to beat UNI was NOT last year when we were 2-6.

Our BEST chance was in 2006 when we had a near sell-out on Homecoming and we were 6-2 and ranked #5 in the nation and you guys were ranked #14. We lost that game 31-23.

I laugh as you argue that the 2-6 team was our best chance to beat UNI.

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:41 pm
by clenz
guinzone wrote:
clenz wrote:Again, I bring up the fact it was garbage weather, UNI was playing a freshman QB, at your place, on your homecoming, against a 2-6 team that was your chance to beat UNI for the first time in almost 10 years. You blew you shot at it. You losing streak to UNI will rival PSU's to Michigan by the time you beat UNI.
Our best chance to beat UNI was NOT last year when we were 2-6.

Our BEST chance was in 2006 when we had a near sell-out on Homecoming and we were 6-2 and ranked #5 in the nation and you guys were ranked #14. We lost that game 31-23.

I laugh as you argue that the 2-6 team was our best chance to beat UNI.
It's as close as you will get for a couple more years. :lol:

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:52 pm
by DJH
I predict that UNI wil once again "eat at the Y" this year...

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:02 pm
by guinzone
They probably will, but you never know. In the past 3 years:
UNI has beaten YSU 3 times by a combined 10 points:
-2006: 31-23
-2007: 14-13
-2008: 21-20

At least we are not getting blown out by the Panthers anymore.. One of these days we'll beat then Panthers!

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:09 pm
by pantherrob82
guinzone wrote:Our record was a disgrace by that point in the season and the weather was pretty bad, hence the bad attendance. Too bad the atmosphere wasn't like the NDSU game in week 3, it was electric.

We are no MSU or WIU. We started 25+ different starters after the Ohio State game, due to injuries and a few players quitting. I'd like to see many teams win with that many new starters.

In my eyes:
-Should have never had lost @ SUU.
-Should never had lost vs. Liberty.
-Should have, at least had the opportunity to, beat UNI at home.
-Should have beaten ILSU, who we were leading at half.
-Had an opportunity to win @ MSU, down just 1 score at half.

That's at least five games that could have turned in our favor. The other 3: OSU, SDSU, and SIU were all blowouts.
I know. I just like to give you guys a hard time. Just keep in mind that in the new MVFC, if you're not heading up, you're heading down.

I see things like this in 09:

Top tier:
UNI
SIU

Just behind, in the running for the crown:
NDSU
SDSU
YSU

Bringing up the rear, in order:
WIU
Il St
IN ST (seriously)
Mo St

Re: Missouri Valley Conference

Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:11 pm
by clenz
guinzone wrote:They probably will, but you never know. In the past 3 years:
UNI has beaten YSU 3 times by a combined 10 points:
-2006: 31-23
-2007: 14-13
-2008: 21-20

At least we are not getting blown out by the Panthers anymore.. One of these days we'll beat then Panthers!
I don't care if we win by 1 a win is a win. As Richmond the difference between a one point win and a blow out win. There isn't one.