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Downside to our win??

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Is there a downside to our win in the the Big House 2 days ago?



I say yes.



In the near future, we have talks with LSU, Florida and Georgia for games. How much you wanna bet me that atleast one of those teams will come up with an excuse not to play us? Granted, we will still get paid, and that may be solace for some of you, but not me. I want to play these games. Win or lose, I love putting a scare in the "big boys" as I'm sure all of you do.

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Those guys are so arrogant I doubt they'll duck ASU--but the problem will be that nobody will EVER overlook 'em again, and they could be out for blood. I could see headhunting going on, which would not be a good thing--to try to put someone like a QB out of the game......

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Re: Downside to our win??

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I would guess it will be more difficult for App State to schedule FBS games in the future as a result of the Michigan win. To a certain degree, that game may make it more difficult for most FCS schools to schedule those games in the future. Or, if the FBS schools schedule a FCS school, the payout won't be as big, which will in turn perhaps discourage FCS schools from playing those games.

I don't remember the payout amount from Michigan to App State but I thought I heard it was $400,000. As App State attempts to schedule a "play up" game in the future, instead of getting $400,000, they may only get $200,000 offered instead. At that dollar figure, is it worth it to "play up" or is it more worthwhile to just schedule another OOC home game against whoever you can get to come to your home stadium? Just a hypothetical question at this point but it may be one that many FCS schools are faced with in the future.

The reduced dollar figure contracts will be the FBS schools' way of ducking FCS schools without having to do so publicly.
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Re: Downside to our win??

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Never thought about it that way, but you may be right. Personally, if they view us as inferior, why should we play them anyways.
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Re: Downside to our win??

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I don't know that FBS schools will duck us per se, but I think it will make scheduling as a whole more difficult. We are still looking for one game for next season and we will have one heckuva challenge finding another FCS school to play us, especially in Boone. There will be some teams that want to play us for the same reason that we wanted to play Michigan (as a test-to see where the team is), but with the playoffs being such large a target for the vast majority of FCS teams, and premier OOC games becoming few and far between in FCS, it won't be easy filling that 11th spot.
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There is no downside for App St. The FBS teams under contract aren't going to duck out, FCS teams would love to play in Boone and future unscheduled games won't be more difficult either. The great publicity for the school will help with fundraising and recruiting.

FBS teams want a decent Div I opponent who their team has a very good chance to beat. The only thing App St is out now is a team or coach overlooking them. Sorry Mountaineers, but FBS teams will take you very seriously now and it will be tough to beat the Floridas and Georgias on your future schedules.

FCS teams would love to come to Boone and play, even Montana (you'd just have to pay the Griz out of a home game gate- impossible :mrgreen: ).

As far as future FBS games go you might have some trouble scheduling "mid-major" teams like Marshall, Troy or the miscellaneous Florida schools but the big boys only care about finding a team they can work into their schedule, that will give their team a workout and with the least amount of money paid out. If it adds some local color/interest all the better. Scheduling is a bitch for all schools and a lot of times even the big boys are forced to take what they can get for an OOC opponent.
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I don't think it will be a problem. FBS teams can now schedule 12 games and count one FCS game towards a bowl bid. If anything there will be an increase in such games scheduled. I know our Salukis have one booked for the next five years despite beating the Hoosiers last year.
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the only downside is coming back down to earth by Saturday. This week you are Michigan against a D2 school that would love to knock you off.
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The FBS consider it a fluke, thay are too arrogant about how much better the FBS is.
They will still play you but will prepare themselves better next year.
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One big downside: App fans won't be able to get their heads through their doors for quite some time now. :lol:
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The only downside I see is that now anything less that another National Championship may be a let down for the team and the fans. When you beat Michigan then you will be expected to win against all of your other games as well, I mean you beat the big boy so everyone else should be easy right? Now we know better than that but I bet there are some fans that don't.
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Oh yeah, and there'll be no end to that "We're going I-A" talk.
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There is no downside.....and a lot of up for all of us in the FCS. What great publicity for our subdivision!!
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Case in point: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt ... &type=lgns

There is one more glaring mistake that Michigan made that is almost as inexcusable as anything that happened on the field. Because it is so easy to place the blame on the coaches who might not have coached well or the players who maybe didn't play well, no one is talking about a little thing called scheduling.

Why in the world was Michigan playing the two-time defending I-AA national champions? If you are going to play a I-AA opponent, you know good and well everybody is going to criticize you before the game even starts. So why not play one that you are going to beat; even on a day when you stink up the place? Folks, the former Division I-AA is no different than Division I-A. There are good teams and bad teams … teams that can play lights out and teams that can't play dead. Most of you know the difference between Ohio University and Ohio State or Florida and Florida International, but you don't have a clue between Western Carolina and Appalachian State or Montana and Murray State.

Louisville beat Murray State 73-10, which was 1-10 last year. Alabama beat Western Carolina, 2-9 in 2006, by a score of 52-6. At the same time, Michigan felt it was necessary to be playing and, unfortunately losing to Appalachian State, which went 14-1 last year on its way to a second straight national title.
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AppGuy04 wrote:Case in point: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt ... &type=lgns

There is one more glaring mistake that Michigan made that is almost as inexcusable as anything that happened on the field. Because it is so easy to place the blame on the coaches who might not have coached well or the players who maybe didn't play well, no one is talking about a little thing called scheduling.

Why in the world was Michigan playing the two-time defending I-AA national champions? If you are going to play a I-AA opponent, you know good and well everybody is going to criticize you before the game even starts. So why not play one that you are going to beat; even on a day when you stink up the place? Folks, the former Division I-AA is no different than Division I-A. There are good teams and bad teams … teams that can play lights out and teams that can't play dead. Most of you know the difference between Ohio University and Ohio State or Florida and Florida International, but you don't have a clue between Western Carolina and Appalachian State or Montana and Murray State.

Louisville beat Murray State 73-10, which was 1-10 last year. Alabama beat Western Carolina, 2-9 in 2006, by a score of 52-6. At the same time, Michigan felt it was necessary to be playing and, unfortunately losing to Appalachian State, which went 14-1 last year on its way to a second straight national title.
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As I said above, I think FCS schools will have scheduling problems in the future because of the App win and some success that other FCS schools have had against the FBS in recent years. Games that are already scheduled will probably stay in place but trying to schedule future games will be tougher.

Case in point is Montana State University, which is having problems because of last seaons's 19-10 victory over Colorado in Boulder. See the comment by MSU head footbal coach Rob Ash in regard to this issue in the article linked below.

... "We've been trying to work on our future schedules and it's been difficult for us," MSU head coach Rob Ash said. "We'll contact teams (about playing them) and they'll say 'Are you kidding? You guys beat Colorado; we're not going to play you.' "...

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The 4 I-A's on our schedule have no way to duck us now. Less they be viewed as Chickenshit to play us. After that you may be right.
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Admittedly, this is straight-up FBS all the way (though technically at the time the Sky was rated higher in the Sagarins). In '95, Big West UOP somehow finagled a home OOC game with a then-down-trodden Oregon State. (And, yes, UOP won that game, though due to the extreme body-bag schedule (roadies at Fresneck, Arizona, Nebraska, and Oregon were the other OOC games), the Tigers finished 3-8 before "suspending" the program a week before Christmas without even having the decency to have the players assemble to tell them. We found out on the evening news or when reporters came knocking.)

If a FBS team in a conference rated lower than the FCS Big Sky can finagle a B(C)$-level FBS team, how come Appy can't get, say, Rice or Duke to come in? Sure, the impact wouldn't be as great as beating Michigan, but it would still be an FBS team on a roadie to an FCS.

It's definitely no if you don't ask, so why not at least ask?
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Chances are, it would cost ASU more money to travel to Rice than they would be compensated for. On the other hand, Duke would be a possibility, but do they really want to show their fans how much they have actually fallen. Another option is Wake, but Grobe refuses to play us. We did play NC State last year. I would not mind seeing a UNC or ECU game as well
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The ACC is very aware of it's SoCon brethren's prowess (several ACC schools used to be in the SoCon)...Appy's beaten Wake a bunch, Furman beat UNC like a drum a couple years ago (5?) and has beaten NC State a couple times in the past I think, always played Ga. Tech tough; Citadel beat South Carolina a while back (not ACC I know), but the SoCon may have worn out its welcome locally. Unfortunately for Furman, Clemson actually looked pretty decent against Florida State the other night (Sept. 15th).
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http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/p ... /709060325
"Big Sky Notebook: Papich enjoys his battles against NCAA 'big boys'
Great Falls Tribune by Tribune staff September 6, 2007

A little over half way down this article, Montana's head coach addresses the difficulty of scheduling a FBS team.
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AppGuy04 wrote:Chances are, it would cost ASU more money to travel to Rice than they would be compensated for. On the other hand, Duke would be a possibility, but do they really want to show their fans how much they have actually fallen. Another option is Wake, but Grobe refuses to play us. We did play NC State last year. I would not mind seeing a UNC or ECU game as well
Who said anything about ASU going to Rice? I was talking about getting Rice to come to Appy. Sure, it's a long shot. But as shown by Oregon State @ Pacific in '95 and U of San Diego @ Azusa Pacific this year, it's not always a given that the lower division team is the road team. If the dates work out right and the "higher" team is a road game short, it's something that could be looked at.
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AppGuy04 wrote:Chances are, it would cost ASU more money to travel to Rice than they would be compensated for. On the other hand, Duke would be a possibility, but do they really want to show their fans how much they have actually fallen. Another option is Wake, but Grobe refuses to play us. We did play NC State last year. I would not mind seeing a UNC or ECU game as well
Who said anything about ASU going to Rice? I was talking about getting Rice to come to Appy. Sure, it's a long shot. But as shown by Oregon State @ Pacific in '95 and U of San Diego @ Azusa Pacific this year, it's not always a given that the lower division team is the road team. If the dates work out right and the "higher" team is a road game short, it's something that could be looked at.
Personally, I think Campbell coming to Boone would draw better than Rice. Still not worth it IMO
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No FBS team will back out on App. If they did can you imagine the publicity they would get by "ducking" the Mountaineers? It would be almost as bad as losing to them by avoiding them. With 30,000 expected to this weeks game App will be forced to start making decisions like Montana where the wallet will talk louder than the competition. You want to avoid that but Montana wants at least $450k to net the same as a home game and if App continues to roll their attendance (over 20,000) will make revenue a huge deal which could price some lower FBS teams out (Duke etc)
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lifesapuntreturn wrote:http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/p ... /709060325
"Big Sky Notebook: Papich enjoys his battles against NCAA 'big boys'
Great Falls Tribune by Tribune staff September 6, 2007

A little over half way down this article, Montana's head coach addresses the difficulty of scheduling a FBS team.
Montana is usually in the top five nationally, and the facilities are awesome ... I expect in the next couple years Montana will be like Boise, merge into Division I."
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