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title game location

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:09 pm
by TBirdz
With the fcs playoffs expanding to 20 in 2010, and the date of the game being moved to the night before the bcs championship, does anyone have any idea if they plan to move the game out of chattanooga, tn to another location? If so, what are some cities which have been discussed as viable alternate locations?

Re: title game location

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:06 am
by danefan
TBirdz wrote:With the fcs playoffs expanding to 20 in 2010, and the date of the game being moved to the night before the bcs championship, does anyone have any idea if they plan to move the game out of chattanooga, tn to another location? If so, what are some cities which have been discussed as viable alternate locations?
I believe the 2010 game is out to bid now. I'm sure Chatty will bid, but other than that I'm not sure.

There is always some talk of a destination city (e.g. Vegas, Orlando, etc....) but I'm not sure what other city will bid.

Re: title game location

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:29 am
by dbackjon
Chatty is a good central location, that WANTS the game...

Re: title game location

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:50 am
by BlackFalkin
The FCS Championship game should rotate between 3-5 stadiums, like the FBS. Thats one of the only fair things about FBS.

Possible Stadiums:

Finley Stadium, Chatt, Tn
Bobcat Stadium, San Marcos, Tx
Delaware Stadium, Newark, De
Wash Griz Stadium, Missoula, Mt
Alex Spanos Stadium, SLO, Ca
Plaster Sports Complex, Springfield, Mo
Roy Kidd Stadium, Richmond, Ky

Re: title game location

Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:02 am
by JMUpurplehazed
I would like to see the FCS title game move around...considerations?

Stadium size - can't be massive can it?
Stadium on TV - the stadium has to have great lighting ('Nooga looks decent on national TV)
Good Airport - most cities
Drivable - an easy drive for as many fans as possible (buses)...
Weather - not freezing in December

I have no idea what kind of money is involved in the FCS title game but does it make sense to allow FCS programs that meet facility minimums to bid...keep the money in the FCS?

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:58 am
by slycat
San Marcos, TX will become more attractive soon. The expansion will boost the stadium to 25,000 or so. And San Marcos is located about 25-30 miles from both Austin and San Antonio making travel very easy.

Plus the stadium looks great on TV. See 2005 ESPN2 games.

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:10 pm
by Mountaineer
slycat wrote:
Plus the stadium looks great on TV. See 2005 ESPN2 games.
I remember the 2005 games. It did look sharp. :thumb:

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:17 pm
by bobbythekidd
Mountaineer wrote:
slycat wrote:
Plus the stadium looks great on TV. See 2005 ESPN2 games.
I remember the 2005 games. It did look sharp. :thumb:
The stadium looked good, but the game I saw sucked.

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:24 pm
by TwinTownBisonFan
I think they should look at Central Florida's new stadium in Orlando

48,000 capacity
great access to airports
good weather
great hotel area

it's a bit big, but if the goal is to make fcs bigger make this the permanent home

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:29 pm
by danefan
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I think they should look at Central Florida's new stadium in Orlando

48,000 capacity
great access to airports
good weather
great hotel area

it's a bit big, but if the goal is to make fcs bigger make this the permanent home
But do you really want to have it at an FBS stadium in an FBS/Pro Sports town?

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:32 pm
by BDKJMU
Should be held
-in the South due to the North being too cold in early Jan for a large chunk of fans, and the Southwest not having enough of a I-AA presence.
-between 20k (less than 20k too small) and 35k (more than 35k too big, and really more than 30k might be too big).

If you further limit it to I-AA that narrows it down to:
1. Chattanooga

2. FAMU's Bragg Memorial in Tallahassee. 25.5k listed capacity, which would be about the perfect size.
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pi ... ragg.shtml
Tallahassee has a medium sized airport, but is about 2.5 hrs from the nearest major airport in Jacksonville, and would have enough hotel availability.

3. JSU expanding to 24k for 2010, which would be about perfect size.
http://www.jsugamecocksports.com/sports ... h=football
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Snow_Stadium
According to mapquest they're about 1.25 hrs east of Birmingham, about 1.75 hrs west of Atlanta, & about 2 hrs south of Chatty. Not near/by the mtns of N GA like Chatty is, so would be a little warmer than Chatty, and are closer to Atlanta, the busiest airport in the world & Delta's main hub. Would there be enough hotel availability?

4. Southern's Mumford in Baton Rouge since they're getting a 16.5 million facelift and with expansion will according to the article bring them to 29k capacity.
http://www.championshipsubdivisionnews. ... ion?blog=2
Baton Rouge has a medium size airport and is 80+ miles from New Orleans, which has a major airport. Would have enough hotel availability.

5.Citadel's Johnson Hagood if the NCAA ended their BS boycott in SC, 22k, would be nice. They held the NC in 83-84':
http://www.citadelsports.com/ViewArticl ... ID=1180796
Charleston has a medium sized airport, and would be enough hotel availability.

6. ODU's renovated Foreman Field, 20k. According to the below article, it could be expanded beyond the 20k.
http://www.norfolk.com/2009/05/anticipa ... -expansion
Has Norfolk International Airport nearby, and hr from Richmond, and is a little warmer than Richmond since its on/near the water. Would be enough hotel availability.

7. ASU, Boone: Nearest major airport would be Charlotte Douglas International 1.5-2 hrs, too cold in the Blue Ridge Mtns in early Jan, hotel availability could be a concern.

8. JMU, Harrisonburg (*2011 completed expansion will bring it to capacity to 24k). Nearest major airport would be Washington Dulles, close to 2 hrs, too cold in the Blue Ridge Mtns/Shenandoah Valley in early Jan, hotel availability could be a concern. Basically would be the same problem as having it in Boone.

9. GSU, Statesboro. Capacity is listed at 18k, but they did host the NC 89'-91', and close to 26k saw GSU beat Stephen F Austin with temp bleachers and SRO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulson_Stadium
But 2.5 hrs+ to the nearest major airport, Jacksonville, FL, and 3 hrs from ATL. Would it have the hotel availability to handle 20k+ fans from outside the state of GA?

10. Current UR Stadium, 22k capacity. Site lines on the visitor side suck, as between the 30s you are very far from the action due to its bowl shape. Would need major renovation, which would have to be paid for by the City of Richmond. Don't see this happening.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... nd_Stadium
Course being the state capital they do have a medium size airport and plenty of hotel availability. Probably not far enough south.

11. Aggie Stadium at NC A&T in Greensboro, 22k
12. Crampton Bowl at Ala State in Montgomery at 21,800
13. Lewis Crewes Stadium at Ala A&M in Huntsville at 21k
14. Jack Spinks Stadium at Alcorn State in Lorman, Miss at 22,500
15. Roy Kidd Stadium, EKU, Richmond, 20k

http://www.worldstadiums.com/north_amer ... ates.shtml

I should have stated an indoor stadium would be do able for the North, but I didn't think there are any indoor stadiums that seated 20-35k, much less I-AA (UNI Dome seats 16+K).

Even if you did include the northeast, the Yale Bowl (61+k) and Franklin Field (UPenn) in Philly (52+K) are too big. That leaves between 20-30k UD, Princeton and Harvard unless I left anyone out.

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 pm
by BDKJMU
Cpmplete list of stadiums between 20-35k in the southeastern US/TX:

I-AA (see above post)

I-A:
1. FAU's brand new stadium due to open for the 2010 season, 30k cpacity, in beautiful, sunny (and wealthy) Boca Raton, Fla.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAU_Football_Stadium
Fort Lauderdale Int, less than 30 miles, and Miami Int, American hub, less than 50 miles.

2. Univ of North Tex in Denton outside of Dallas, new 35k stadium slated to open in 2011. A little on the big side, and also not a I-AA city/stadium.
http://www.meangreensports.com/PhotoAlb ... ALBID=6130
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fouts_Field
You have DFW, American Airlines main Hub & 3rd busiest airport in US & world, or was, about 25 miles from Denton.

3. SMU in Highland Park, TX, 32k. Surrounded by Dallas, they've refused to be annexed. According to according to Wiki wealthiest city in TX & 19th wealthiest in US, with 07' median family income estimated to be 373k. Dated a woman from there. UR grad. Family was LOOOADED. I've been on the SMU campus & took a look at their stadium. Nice.
http://smumustangs.cstv.com/facilities/ ... adium.html
http://ncaafootball.com/index.php?s=&ur ... _well_id=2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_J._Ford_Stadium
Again, not far from DFW airport, so easy to get to.

4. Univ of Houston, 32k.
http://www.uh.edu/campus_map/buildings/RS.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_Stadium
Houston's you have George HW Bush International, Continental Airlines main hub, and Houston Hobby, a Southwest focus city airport.

5. LA-Lafayette, 31k, about 2 hrs from New Orleans, 1 hr from Baton Rouge, (1+ hr from McNeese)
http://ncaafootball.com/index.php?s=&ur ... _well_id=2

6. LA-Monroe, 30k, in middle of no where in northern LA, about 4.5 hrs both New Orleans & Dallas
http://ncaafootball.com/index.php?s=&ur ... _well_id=2
7. Troy State, 30k, less than an hr south of Montgomery, about 2 1/2 hrs north of Panama City:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_Gallery_Stadium

8. BBT at Wake in Winston Salem 31k
9. Wallace Wade at Duke in Durham, 34k (its a dump),
10. Roberst Stadium at S. Miss in Hattiesburg
11. LT Smith at W KY in Bowling Green 23,500 (I believe its getting an expansion).
12. Indian Stadium at Ark State in Jonesboro, 33,400

http://www.worldstadiums.com/north_amer ... ates.shtml

NCAA football stadium guide:
http://www.ncaafootball.com/index.php?s ... _well_id=2

I didn't forget FIU. Its not a good option. Its only 20k now, which would be just barely big enough, but they are expanding it to 45k expected to be complete for 2010, which would be too big.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIU_Stadium

I'm sure there are a couple of others someone will point out, but remember, I was stipulating IN THE SOUTHEASTERN US/TEXAS, AND 20-35K capacity. Yes, you have warm weather locales and 20-35k stadiums in NM, AZ, and CA, but there isn't enough I-AA prescence in the Southwest to move the NC game out there.[/QUOTE]

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:50 pm
by Cap'n Cat
Chattanooga's just fine. "Ceptin' in 2005, it was cold as all fvck!

BRRRRR!!!

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:53 pm
by Mountaineer
Cap'n Cat wrote:Chattanooga's just fine.
Agreed.

The city and populace have demonstrated they're interested in keeping the game. No one else has. Everything else is merely speculation (and pretty poor speculation at that).

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:05 pm
by BDKJMU
Mountaineer wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:Chattanooga's just fine.
Agreed.

The city and populace have demonstrated they're interested in keeping the game. No one else has. Everything else is merely speculation (and pretty poor speculation at that).
I agree Chatty has done a good job and the speculation is all moot if no one else even makes a bid. I was just laying out some places that could potentially host. Its no more poor than all the pre season speculation going on around here.

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:11 pm
by BDKJMU
Another key point to remember. Chatty or elsewhere for the 2010 season, held on the eve of the BCS NC game, it will be close to 3 weeks to plan, but midweek in early Jan.

The 1st 4 BCS National Championship games:
06'-07' season: Mon, Jan 8
07'-08' season Mon, Jan 7
08'-09' Thur, Jan 8
09'-10' Thur, Jane 7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

ESPN gets the rights to the BCS games starting in 2011'. The 10'-11' schedule hasn't been announced yet, but I I would imagine it could be:
10'-11' Thur, Jan 6

That would mean the 1st NC game on the eve of the BCS title game would be on Wed, Jan 5.

The semis that season (held on the same weekend as the NC is now) should be on Fri, Dec 17th and Sat, Dec 18th.

That would be a little less than 3 weeks, 19 and 20 days, for fans to plan which, would = more fans. But mid week will = less fans. Regardless of where the NC is held in Jan 2011, it might be a little difficult to predict how attendance will be. :coffee:

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:15 pm
by BDKJMU
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:I think they should look at Central Florida's new stadium in Orlando

48,000 capacity
great access to airports
good weather
great hotel area

it's a bit big, but if the goal is to make fcs bigger make this the permanent home
WAY too big. Chatty's 20,608 official capacity stadium has sold out in only 2 of 12 NC games hosted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis ... ampionship

Imagine a title game with privates like Wofford and UR or northeastern schools that don't travel well (the whole CAA North)or a school from out west that wouldn't bring that many fans. If it was 2 of those teams midweek early Jan how ridiculous would under 10k fans look in a 48k stadium?

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:03 pm
by Captain Ahab
Football is to be seen by the Sea. Give me a wide harbour with loose women and my crew shall make port for the weekend.

Re: title game location

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:42 pm
by DJH
It is very important IMO to have the game in a stadium that is not too big. Nothing says "small time" like a ton of empy seats. Somewhere in the range of 20K seems to be just about right.

I don't see many reasons to move the game away from 'nooga. They have done a good job.

Re: title game location

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:40 am
by danefan
DJH wrote:It is very important IMO to have the game in a stadium that is not too big. Nothing says "small time" like a ton of empy seats. Somewhere in the range of 20K seems to be just about right.

I don't see many reasons to move the game away from 'nooga. They have done a good job.
The only real reason is weather. Nooga in January is very cold.

Re: title game location

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:32 am
by guinzone
1. Chatty
2. Appy
3. Montana
4. Youngstown

Re: title game location

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:45 am
by Ursus A. Horribilis
danefan wrote:
DJH wrote:It is very important IMO to have the game in a stadium that is not too big. Nothing says "small time" like a ton of empy seats. Somewhere in the range of 20K seems to be just about right.

I don't see many reasons to move the game away from 'nooga. They have done a good job.
The only real reason is weather. Nooga in January is very cold.
Well it sure wasn't this year in the middle of Dec., I felt like I was being fucked with leaving -15, -20 below and landing in Chattanooga where it was fucking 70. It would be perfect if it was in the 50's or so.

Re: title game location

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:59 am
by AshevilleApp
Has anybody who made the trip to Chattanooga had a bad experience?

Re: title game location

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:00 am
by Ursus A. Horribilis
AshevilleApp wrote:Has anybody who made the trip to Chattanooga had a bad experience?
Never. I've been there four times and loved the place every time.

Re: title game location

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:11 am
by Col Hogan
I've never hear any bad things about "Nogga for the site...but moving the game to January means risking colder temps...

Jan Dec
Avg. High 46° 50°
Avg. Low 28° 31°
Mean 37° 41°

http://countrystudies.us/united-states/ ... anooga.htm