Jones (EWU) vs McClintock (PSU)

[JALMOND]

By comparison, a look at all hype back, Taiwan Jones (EWU) against a back no one talks about, Bobby McClintock (PSU).

Against Pac-10 defenses:

Jones 4 rushes for 2 yards against Cal
McClintock 2 rushes for 2 yards against Oregon State

Against lower division defenses:

Jones 12 rushes for 122 yards against Western Oregon (including an 87 yard run for a TD)
McClintock 6 rushes for 50 yards against Southern Oregon

Obviously no one is talking about these two in the same breath as Reynolds (UM) or Smith (WSU) and maybe for good reason. So can we now put to rest this talk about Jones being the next big thing?

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Obviously no one is talking about these two in the same breath as Reynolds (UM) or Smith (WSU) and maybe for good reason. So can we now put to rest this talk about Jones being the next big thing?

No, because Jone's has only ever played 2 games at the collegiate level, and neither of which were against equivalent competition. Cal is also a lot better than OSU. Agreed, Jones hasn't been eye catching, but again, he's only played two games at HB in college. He's still getting adjusted to the speed. He may or may not be the next big thing, but only time will tell.

[JALMOND]

Obviously no one is talking about these two in the same breath as Reynolds (UM) or Smith (WSU) and maybe for good reason. So can we now put to rest this talk about Jones being the next big thing?

No, because Jone's has only ever played 2 games at the collegiate level, and neither of which were against equivalent competition. Cal is also a lot better than OSU. Agreed, Jones hasn't been eye catching, but again, he's only played two games at HB in college. He's still getting adjusted to the speed. He may or may not be the next big thing, but only time will tell.

I've never lived in Missouri, but I will wait for Jones to "show me". Until then, I will not place him in the upper reaches of Big Sky running backs this year, especially when he is not doing much better than a seldom used, often injured back.

Granted, with your praises before the season, you placed Jones in quite high esteem. I was willing to watch him. I've watched and I am not impressed. Potential can only take you so far until results are expected.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

No, because Jone's has only ever played 2 games at the collegiate level, and neither of which were against equivalent competition. Cal is also a lot better than OSU. Agreed, Jones hasn't been eye catching, but again, he's only played two games at HB in college. He's still getting adjusted to the speed. He may or may not be the next big thing, but only time will tell.

I've never lived in Missouri, but I will wait for Jones to "show me". Until then, I will not place him in the upper reaches of Big Sky running backs this year, especially when he is not doing much better than a seldom used, often injured back.

Granted, with your praises before the season, you placed Jones in quite high esteem. I was willing to watch him. I've watched and I am not impressed. Potential can only take you so far until results are expected.

Results against expected competition. Do you think Hubel would be 29/37 for 4 TDs against a team like Florida? I think not.

[JALMOND]

I've never lived in Missouri, but I will wait for Jones to "show me". Until then, I will not place him in the upper reaches of Big Sky running backs this year, especially when he is not doing much better than a seldom used, often injured back.

Granted, with your praises before the season, you placed Jones in quite high esteem. I was willing to watch him. I've watched and I am not impressed. Potential can only take you so far until results are expected.

Results against expected competition. Do you think Hubel would be 29/37 for 4 TDs against a team like Florida? I think not.

How Hubel would do against Florida or Southeastern Florida is not the point. I never said watch out for Hubel this year, he is going be a force this year and take the conference by storm. Cal and Oregon State are pretty close level of competition (coaches, media and experts had Cal second or third in the Pac-10 and Oregon State fourth) so your game against Cal is a close barometer to our game with Oregon State, that is until Halloween. If Jones has a breakout game that places him in the same company as Reynolds or Smith, then give him some hype. Until then...(yawn), I'm tired.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Results against expected competition. Do you think Hubel would be 29/37 for 4 TDs against a team like Florida? I think not.

How Hubel would do against Florida or Southeastern Florida is not the point. I never said watch out for Hubel this year, he is going be a force this year and take the conference by storm. Cal and Oregon State are pretty close level of competition (coaches, media and experts had Cal second or third in the Pac-10 and Oregon State fourth) so your game against Cal is a close barometer to our game with Oregon State, that is until Halloween. If Jones has a breakout game that places him in the same company as Reynolds or Smith, then give him some hype. Until then...(yawn), I'm tired.

Oregon State is not in the same league as Cal this year. Cal win at least 3 more games than OSU does. Book it.

Of course you're tired. You're much older than I am.

[free7694]

Andre Harris is better than both of them.

[BlackFalkin]

jones has 2 td's & more rushing yards. & its only going to get better for him.
next 3 games.....

vs.NorCol
vs. Sac

[BlackFalkin]

T. Jones

34 Carries
219 yards
6.4 per carry

[Screamin_Eagle174]

T. Jones

34 Carries
219 yards
6.4 per carry

I'd say that's pretty damn good, considering he's rushed against a D-II, Top-10 BCS, and decent FCS team.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

By comparison, a look at all hype back, Taiwan Jones (EWU) against a back no one talks about, Bobby McClintock (PSU).

Against Pac-10 defenses:

Jones 4 rushes for 2 yards against Cal
McClintock 2 rushes for 2 yards against Oregon State

Against lower division defenses:

Jones 12 rushes for 122 yards against Western Oregon (including an 87 yard run for a TD)
McClintock 6 rushes for 50 yards against Southern Oregon

Obviously no one is talking about these two in the same breath as Reynolds (UM) or Smith (WSU) and maybe for good reason. So can we now put to rest this talk about Jones being the next big thing?

So Jalmond, you wanna recant those statements? Looking at performance against just FCS defenses, Jones has 285 yards on 33 carries for an average of 8.6 ypc, while Smith has 207 yards on 41 carries against two FCS defenses for an average of 5 ypc. Reynolds was a no-namer until last season when he got a chance to start at RB. Sure, Jones was a no-namer before this season, but I think he's proving himself to be just as good if not better than Smith. He's still young and learning. Jones is certainly leagues above being mentioned as equal to McClintock...

Big Sky Rushing Leaders through week 4:

Jones-EWU: 409
Smith-WSU: 377
Harris-UNC: 323
Reynolds-UM: 291
Henderson-NAU: 276

[Screamin_Eagle174]

And for shits and giggles, let's look at all of FCS:

RUSHING

• Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
  1. Pat Paschall, North Dakota St. 4 79 639 4 8.09 159.75
  2. Deji Karim, Southern Ill. 3 49 404 3 8.24 134.67
  3. David Sinisi, Monmouth 4 120 524 5 4.37 131.00
  4. Toddrick Pendland, McNeese St. 4 70 517 7 7.39 129.25
  5. Ray Rangel, Columbia 2 36 248 2 6.89 124.00
  6. Kyle Minett, South Dakota St. 3 61 369 5 6.05 123.00
  7. Ulysses Banks, Alabama A&M 4 93 476 3 5.12 119.00
  8. Tony Nelson, Massachusetts 3 69 342 2 4.96 114.00
  9. Bryan Fitzgerald, Chattanooga 3 62 328 2 5.29 109.33
  10. Jordan McCord, Colgate 4 89 432 2 4.85 108.00
  11. Myles Russ, Robert Morris 4 83 429 1 5.17 107.25
  12. LaMarcus Coker, Hampton 4 66 428 2 6.48 107.00
  13. Frank Warren, Grambling 4 65 417 2 6.42 104.25
  14. Taiwan Jones, Eastern Wash. 4 49 409 6 8.35 102.25
  15. Miguel Barnes, Tenn.-Martin 4 71 408 6 5.75 102.00
  16. Justin Babb, Savannah St. 4 66 404 2 6.12 101.00
  17. James Mallory, Central Conn. St. 3 77 301 5 3.91 100.33
  18. Devon Moore, Appalachian St. 3 57 298 2 5.23 99.33
  19. Chris Evans, Samford 4 81 397 3 4.90 99.25
  20. Larry McCoy, Duquesne 4 72 382 1 5.31 95.50
  21. Trevyn Smith, Weber St. 4 83 377 4 4.54 94.25

Yep, Jones has the most yards per carry in all of FCS. Looks like he doesn't need to get 20+ touches to be as good or better than Smith.

[frinq]

Adding to the stats:

In the game yesterday, Smith got 34 yards out of 13 rushes. His teammate Bolen did better, getting 56 yards out of 7 tries. But get this: Portland State's true freshman Ben Bowen got 100 yards out of 15 tries (McClintock got 27 yards out of 9 tries). This is just one game, true. But it suggests that Smith and McClintock may be better than average but not by much. Their running record might have more to do with a stalwart line. And Ben Bowen, a shifty runner out of Texas, might develop into a really good runner.

[JALMOND]

By comparison, a look at all hype back, Taiwan Jones (EWU) against a back no one talks about, Bobby McClintock (PSU).

Against Pac-10 defenses:

Jones 4 rushes for 2 yards against Cal
McClintock 2 rushes for 2 yards against Oregon State

Against lower division defenses:

Jones 12 rushes for 122 yards against Western Oregon (including an 87 yard run for a TD)
McClintock 6 rushes for 50 yards against Southern Oregon

Obviously no one is talking about these two in the same breath as Reynolds (UM) or Smith (WSU) and maybe for good reason. So can we now put to rest this talk about Jones being the next big thing?

So Jalmond, you wanna recant those statements? Looking at performance against just FCS defenses, Jones has 285 yards on 33 carries for an average of 8.6 ypc, while Smith has 207 yards on 41 carries against two FCS defenses for an average of 5 ypc. Reynolds was a no-namer until last season when he got a chance to start at RB. Sure, Jones was a no-namer before this season, but I think he's proving himself to be just as good if not better than Smith. He's still young and learning. Jones is certainly leagues above being mentioned as equal to McClintock...

Big Sky Rushing Leaders through week 4:

Jones-EWU: 409
Smith-WSU: 377
Harris-UNC: 323
Reynolds-UM: 291
Henderson-NAU: 276

I like how you think, Scream. You keep telling me to wait on Jones because I'm being unfair, then he has a really good game and he's back being the best thing since sliced bread. Does this mean I can harp on him again? Glad you dug this thread up from the garbage pile.

Indirectly, you are not giving any credence to the fact that PSU shut down the two feature backs in the conference going into this year. Reynolds (UM) has just 28 yards against us and Smith (WSU) had 30. Based on those two performances, I say we can shut down any feature back in the conference, Jones included. Therefore I will wait until Halloween and see if Jones can break PSU's winning streak against EWU. OF course by then, he'll probably be just ordinary (like McClintock), not that there's anything wrong with that.

[JALMOND]

And for shits and giggles, let's look at all of FCS:

RUSHING

• Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
  1. Pat Paschall, North Dakota St. 4 79 639 4 8.09 159.75
  2. Deji Karim, Southern Ill. 3 49 404 3 8.24 134.67
  3. David Sinisi, Monmouth 4 120 524 5 4.37 131.00
  4. Toddrick Pendland, McNeese St. 4 70 517 7 7.39 129.25
  5. Ray Rangel, Columbia 2 36 248 2 6.89 124.00
  6. Kyle Minett, South Dakota St. 3 61 369 5 6.05 123.00
  7. Ulysses Banks, Alabama A&M 4 93 476 3 5.12 119.00
  8. Tony Nelson, Massachusetts 3 69 342 2 4.96 114.00
  9. Bryan Fitzgerald, Chattanooga 3 62 328 2 5.29 109.33
  10. Jordan McCord, Colgate 4 89 432 2 4.85 108.00
  11. Myles Russ, Robert Morris 4 83 429 1 5.17 107.25
  12. LaMarcus Coker, Hampton 4 66 428 2 6.48 107.00
  13. Frank Warren, Grambling 4 65 417 2 6.42 104.25
  14. Taiwan Jones, Eastern Wash. 4 49 409 6 8.35 102.25
  15. Miguel Barnes, Tenn.-Martin 4 71 408 6 5.75 102.00
  16. Justin Babb, Savannah St. 4 66 404 2 6.12 101.00
  17. James Mallory, Central Conn. St. 3 77 301 5 3.91 100.33
  18. Devon Moore, Appalachian St. 3 57 298 2 5.23 99.33
  19. Chris Evans, Samford 4 81 397 3 4.90 99.25
  20. Larry McCoy, Duquesne 4 72 382 1 5.31 95.50
  21. Trevyn Smith, Weber St. 4 83 377 4 4.54 94.25

Yep, Jones has the most yards per carry in all of FCS. Looks like he doesn't need to get 20+ touches to be as good or better than Smith.

Not when you only could play the Sac States and Western Oregons all year. Too early to tell.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

And for shits and giggles, let's look at all of FCS:

RUSHING

• Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
  1. Pat Paschall, North Dakota St. 4 79 639 4 8.09 159.75
  2. Deji Karim, Southern Ill. 3 49 404 3 8.24 134.67
  3. David Sinisi, Monmouth 4 120 524 5 4.37 131.00
  4. Toddrick Pendland, McNeese St. 4 70 517 7 7.39 129.25
  5. Ray Rangel, Columbia 2 36 248 2 6.89 124.00
  6. Kyle Minett, South Dakota St. 3 61 369 5 6.05 123.00
  7. Ulysses Banks, Alabama A&M 4 93 476 3 5.12 119.00
  8. Tony Nelson, Massachusetts 3 69 342 2 4.96 114.00
  9. Bryan Fitzgerald, Chattanooga 3 62 328 2 5.29 109.33
  10. Jordan McCord, Colgate 4 89 432 2 4.85 108.00
  11. Myles Russ, Robert Morris 4 83 429 1 5.17 107.25
  12. LaMarcus Coker, Hampton 4 66 428 2 6.48 107.00
  13. Frank Warren, Grambling 4 65 417 2 6.42 104.25
  14. Taiwan Jones, Eastern Wash. 4 49 409 6 8.35 102.25
  15. Miguel Barnes, Tenn.-Martin 4 71 408 6 5.75 102.00
  16. Justin Babb, Savannah St. 4 66 404 2 6.12 101.00
  17. James Mallory, Central Conn. St. 3 77 301 5 3.91 100.33
  18. Devon Moore, Appalachian St. 3 57 298 2 5.23 99.33
  19. Chris Evans, Samford 4 81 397 3 4.90 99.25
  20. Larry McCoy, Duquesne 4 72 382 1 5.31 95.50
  21. Trevyn Smith, Weber St. 4 83 377 4 4.54 94.25

Yep, Jones has the most yards per carry in all of FCS. Looks like he doesn't need to get 20+ touches to be as good or better than Smith.

Not when you only could play the Sac States and Western Oregons all year. Too early to tell.

Flip-flopping now huh, Jalmond? It wasn't too early for you to judge him two weeks ago after only two games, and call him ordinary after he only got 4 carries against a top-10 BCS team. You we're quite quick to diminish his talents then.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

So Jalmond, you wanna recant those statements? Looking at performance against just FCS defenses, Jones has 285 yards on 33 carries for an average of 8.6 ypc, while Smith has 207 yards on 41 carries against two FCS defenses for an average of 5 ypc. Reynolds was a no-namer until last season when he got a chance to start at RB. Sure, Jones was a no-namer before this season, but I think he's proving himself to be just as good if not better than Smith. He's still young and learning. Jones is certainly leagues above being mentioned as equal to McClintock...

Big Sky Rushing Leaders through week 4:

Jones-EWU: 409
Smith-WSU: 377
Harris-UNC: 323
Reynolds-UM: 291
Henderson-NAU: 276

I like how you think, Scream. You keep telling me to wait on Jones because I'm being unfair, then he has a really good game and he's back being the best thing since sliced bread. Does this mean I can harp on him again? Glad you dug this thread up from the garbage pile.

Indirectly, you are not giving any credence to the fact that PSU shut down the two feature backs in the conference going into this year. Reynolds (UM) has just 28 yards against us and Smith (WSU) had 30. Based on those two performances, I say we can shut down any feature back in the conference, Jones included. Therefore I will wait until Halloween and see if Jones can break PSU's winning streak against EWU. OF course by then, he'll probably be just ordinary (like McClintock), not that there's anything wrong with that.

He's had THREE good games out of 4, including a 95 yard performance against a stout UNC defense. He's not back to being the best thing since sliced bread, he's continued to be. I do give props to PSU shutting down Reynolds and Smith, but that has nothing to do with my argument or your intent of this thread.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you have sour grapes because Jones' play on the field is proving you wrong.

[JALMOND]

Not when you only could play the Sac States and Western Oregons all year. Too early to tell.

Flip-flopping now huh, Jalmond? It wasn't too early for you to judge him two weeks ago after only two games, and call him ordinary after he only got 4 carries against a top-10 BCS team. You we're quite quick to diminish his talents then.

Jones took advantage of the fact that we were holding Smith to 30 yards. I say he should run wild this weekend against Idaho State, thus giving you these delusions of grandeur of his talent. I prefer to wait until after that, when he has to run against WSU, UM, MSU and PSU all on consecutive weeks. My opinion, but I say he'd be ordinary after those four games.

[JALMOND]

I like how you think, Scream. You keep telling me to wait on Jones because I'm being unfair, then he has a really good game and he's back being the best thing since sliced bread. Does this mean I can harp on him again? Glad you dug this thread up from the garbage pile.

Indirectly, you are not giving any credence to the fact that PSU shut down the two feature backs in the conference going into this year. Reynolds (UM) has just 28 yards against us and Smith (WSU) had 30. Based on those two performances, I say we can shut down any feature back in the conference, Jones included. Therefore I will wait until Halloween and see if Jones can break PSU's winning streak against EWU. OF course by then, he'll probably be just ordinary (like McClintock), not that there's anything wrong with that.

He's had THREE good games out of 4, including a 95 yard performance against a stout UNC defense. He's not back to being the best thing since sliced bread, he's continued to be. I do give props to PSU shutting down Reynolds and Smith, but that has nothing to do with my argument or your intent of this thread.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you have sour grapes because Jones' play on the field is proving you wrong.

I guess next week will also prove me wrong as he should run wild against the Bengals. Get back with me after he goes through the tough four week period. I say time will prove that he is a good back, but nothing to get excited about. As far as this thread goes, I will also say that McClintock is also a good back, but, too, nothing to get excited about.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Flip-flopping now huh, Jalmond? It wasn't too early for you to judge him two weeks ago after only two games, and call him ordinary after he only got 4 carries against a top-10 BCS team. You we're quite quick to diminish his talents then.

Jones took advantage of the fact that we were holding Smith to 30 yards. I say he should run wild this weekend against Idaho State, thus giving you these delusions of grandeur of his talent. I prefer to wait until after that, when he has to run against WSU, UM, MSU and PSU all on consecutive weeks. My opinion, but I say he'd be ordinary after those four games.

My opinion, he'll put up more yards against PSU than Smith or Reynolds.

Time will tell my friend, time will tell.

[JALMOND]

Jones took advantage of the fact that we were holding Smith to 30 yards. I say he should run wild this weekend against Idaho State, thus giving you these delusions of grandeur of his talent. I prefer to wait until after that, when he has to run against WSU, UM, MSU and PSU all on consecutive weeks. My opinion, but I say he'd be ordinary after those four games.

My opinion, he'll put up more yards against PSU than Smith or Reynolds.

Time will tell my friend, time will tell.

He could. Or we could jump on you early, forcing Nichols to throw more often than he wants. We have been having a difficult time defending the pass. Better at defending the run.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

By the way, here are Smith's stats from his freshman season at RB for Weber. He, much like Jones, looked pretty streaky... having a couple huge games, and a lot of pretty average games. The big difference is the number of carries; Jones gets it done with less. You would have said the same things about Smith as you've said about Jones by simply looking at his stats. Yet, he turned out to be a great back, not average.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

By ESPN's projections based upon his current stats, Jones will have 1125 yards rushing this season.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=233336

[kalm]

My opinion, he'll put up more yards against PSU than Smith or Reynolds.

Time will tell my friend, time will tell.

He could. Or we could jump on you early, forcing Nichols to throw more often than he wants. We have been having a difficult time defending the pass. Better at defending the run.

Nichols wants to throw every down and can if he's allowed to, just ask Montana and McNeese in 2007 when he threw for over 400 against both.

I think if Jones is used correctly, his opportunities will be set up by passing first - especially against more physical teams like Montana and Weber. That will open up screens and draw plays to get him in space. His strenght lies in his speed. This may or may not bode well for his total rushing yards stat, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him lead the conference in total yards. And remember, Jones is just one other weapon to add to a loaded receiving corps including Seniors Aaron Boyce, Tony Davis, and a NFL prospect in TE Nate Overbay who already has 4 TD receptions on the season.

[JALMOND]

He could. Or we could jump on you early, forcing Nichols to throw more often than he wants. We have been having a difficult time defending the pass. Better at defending the run.

Nichols wants to throw every down and can if he's allowed to, just ask Montana and McNeese in 2007 when he threw for over 400 against both.

I think if Jones is used correctly, his opportunities will be set up by passing first - especially against more physical teams like Montana and Weber. That will open up screens and draw plays to get him in space. His strenght lies in his speed. This may or may not bode well for his total rushing yards stat, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him lead the conference in total yards. And remember, Jones is just one other weapon to add to a loaded receiving corps including Seniors Aaron Boyce, Tony Davis, and a NFL prospect in TE Nate Overbay who already has 4 TD receptions on the season.

It seems like Nichols threw for 400+ against Portland State last year. Problem was that Hubel threw for 600+.