THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE

[vutomcat]

Nova cruses past DePaul last night. Next victim- St. John's at Wells Fargo. Temple at Liacouras Center next Wednesday should see a very spirited crowd. Every team is gunning for you when you are #1! Let's see if the Cats are up to the task. So deep now with the improving Mikhail Bridges--How long is he? wow. and Reynolds is a nice competent backup and compliment to Ochefu now. Interesting how injuries can sometimes improve a team. What would Jay have done if Divencenzo and Delaney didn't get hurt?

[Seahawks08]

He sure sounds like it. All he does is bitch and moan about the negatives. Enjoy the sport for once.

Remember, Nova hasn't been tested despite having a top 10 SOS up until this week (thanks Depaul and St. Johns)

I enjoy it just fine, thanks. nova had a great SOS last year, and then got torched in the tourney. SOS in college basketball is relatively meaningless. Show me the truly top teams they are playing - they played OK, they played UVA, and they played Xavier (assuming Xavier isn't dropping from that status as the year plays on). They're 1-2 in those games. They get to play Xavier one more time. Is that enough games against truly elite level teams? It wasn't last year, and it wasn't the year before. The only thing that truly matters in college basketball is the NCAA tourney - everything else is just the lead-up to it.

I'm a fan, just not a homer fan. I see the danger signs bright and clear just like I have, and was vindicated, in each of the last two years.

There are danger signs for EVERY team, but all you do is look at them and not the entire picture. You act like we don't know that Nova was bounced early in the tournament despite their top seeds.

Let's test this theory of yours about facing elite teams during the season and being prepared for the NCAA tournament. Let's take the most recent example of the 2008-2009 season where Nova reached the final 4. Elite teams will be considered top 10. During that season, Nova played #6 Texas, #3 UCONN, #3 Pitt, and #5 Louisville. They went 1-3. So how is that different than this season exactly?

[vutomcat]

Wichita State, VCU and Butler have all been in the Final Four in the last 5 years playing much weaker schedules.

[GannonFan]

Wichita State, VCU and Butler have all been in the Final Four in the last 5 years playing much weaker schedules.

Are you saying nova is of the caliber of programs as Wichita St, VCU, and Butler? I'm sure if I had said that first you would've vehemently disagreed and claimed I was denigrating nova.

[vutomcat]

Wichita State, VCU and Butler have all been in the Final Four in the last 5 years playing much weaker schedules.

Are you saying nova is of the caliber of programs as Wichita St, VCU, and Butler? I'm sure if I had said that first you would've vehemently disagreed and claimed I was denigrating nova.

OMG man. You have been arguing for that last two years that Nova's schedule has been the reason for them not progressing in the NCAA's. Are you really that dense?

[GannonFan]

Are you saying nova is of the caliber of programs as Wichita St, VCU, and Butler? I'm sure if I had said that first you would've vehemently disagreed and claimed I was denigrating nova.

OMG man. You have been arguing for that last two years that Nova's schedule has been the reason for them not progressing in the NCAA's. Are you really that dense?

Come on, dude, now you're just reaching. I'm feeling bad for you now. Sure, out of the 300+ DI teams, you get Cinderella runs. Programs put together a once-in-lifetime collection of talent and they defy the odds and have a deep run in the tourney. Most of the time, those are singular events for that one particular program - VCU did it once, Wichita St did it once, George Mason did it once, and so on. You very rarely see a program do that more than once (Butler, pre-Big East, did it twice in consecutive years) and you don't really see any one single program do it over and over again. It's like that stat thing with birthdays - you get 23 people in a room and you have a better than even chance that two of them share a birthday, but the odds are extremely high that two people share a specific birthday that you pick. Cinderella runs, while not common, aren't uncommon either. It's uncommon for lightning to strike twice. If all you hope for with nova is for it to be a Cinderella again rather than a regular power, I think I need to ask if you're the faux fan. For shame.

[GannonFan]

I enjoy it just fine, thanks. nova had a great SOS last year, and then got torched in the tourney. SOS in college basketball is relatively meaningless. Show me the truly top teams they are playing - they played OK, they played UVA, and they played Xavier (assuming Xavier isn't dropping from that status as the year plays on). They're 1-2 in those games. They get to play Xavier one more time. Is that enough games against truly elite level teams? It wasn't last year, and it wasn't the year before. The only thing that truly matters in college basketball is the NCAA tourney - everything else is just the lead-up to it.

I'm a fan, just not a homer fan. I see the danger signs bright and clear just like I have, and was vindicated, in each of the last two years.

There are danger signs for EVERY team, but all you do is look at them and not the entire picture. You act like we don't know that Nova was bounced early in the tournament despite their top seeds.

Let's test this theory of yours about facing elite teams during the season and being prepared for the NCAA tournament. Let's take the most recent example of the 2008-2009 season where Nova reached the final 4. Elite teams will be considered top 10. During that season, Nova played #6 Texas, #3 UCONN, #3 Pitt, and #5 Louisville. They went 1-3. So how is that different than this season exactly?

Ok, this is the post where you finally jumped the shark. It's your Fonzie moment, or, in honor of this board, your 6.93 moment.

You're trying to tell me, in all honesty, that the schedule nova played in the 2008-09 season was on par with the schedule they are playing this year? I declare shenanigans. Let's use kenpom as a decent judge since everyone likes to go there. Forget this top 10 thing, let's stick with top 20. Heck, in doing that, I'm actually throwing out the Texas game as a good one for nova, so it should go in your favor (Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney that year, they finished #21 in kenpom, and got bumped in the second round that year). In 2008-09, nova played Pitt, Louisville (twice), UConn, Marquette (three times), Syracuse (twice), and West Virginia. That's 10 top notch games nova played prior to getting into the tournament (they went 5-5 in those games). And these weren't just top teams, these were also teams that were proven to be good once March came around - Pitt, Louisville, and UConn were all #1 seeds that year , Syracuse was a #3 seed like nova was, WVU was a #6, and Marquette was a #6. Only Marquette and WVU didn't make it out of the first weekend. Syracuse lost in the Sweet 16 game, Pitt and Louisville lost in the Elite 8 game, and UConn lost in the Final Four.

Counter that with this year. Right now, according to kenpom, nova will have played or will play two (2), teams in the top 20 of kenpom - UVA and Oklahoma, of which they are 0-2 (although that game against Oklahoma felt like two losses on its own). Neither was a conference game either. Counter that with the ten (10) games nova played against top 20 kenpom teams in the 2008-09 year that you so kindly brought up. And tell me again how it is the same. I seem to remember in school that the alligator mouth went towards the higher number, and unless math has changed lately, 10 would seem to be more than 2.

It's not like I act like you guys don't realize that nova's been bounced unceremoniously out of the tourney very early each of the last two years. It's that you guys like to pretend that folks like me (and I can't take sole credit, I wasn't the only one) weren't on here (in this very thread) each of the last two years telling you guys that it was going to happen while you guys were doing just what you're doing this year, denying it. I've been right two years in a row.

Oh, and when is someone going to bring up my prescience of predicting Providence's fall from grace? Ranked number 53 in kenpom as of today and still falling. I seem to remember using the word "fraud" to describe them. But who knows, I might be remembering that incorrectly.

[vutomcat]

OMG man. You have been arguing for that last two years that Nova's schedule has been the reason for them not progressing in the NCAA's. Are you really that dense?

Come on, dude, now you're just reaching. I'm feeling bad for you now. Sure, out of the 300+ DI teams, you get Cinderella runs. Programs put together a once-in-lifetime collection of talent and they defy the odds and have a deep run in the tourney. Most of the time, those are singular events for that one particular program - VCU did it once, Wichita St did it once, George Mason did it once, and so on. You very rarely see a program do that more than once (Butler, pre-Big East, did it twice in consecutive years) and you don't really see any one single program do it over and over again. It's like that stat thing with birthdays - you get 23 people in a room and you have a better than even chance that two of them share a birthday, but the odds are extremely high that two people share a specific birthday that you pick. Cinderella runs, while not common, aren't uncommon either. It's uncommon for lightning to strike twice. If all you hope for with nova is for it to be a Cinderella again rather than a regular power, I think I need to ask if you're the faux fan. For shame.

Three teams in the last 5 years you dope.

[GannonFan]

Come on, dude, now you're just reaching. I'm feeling bad for you now. Sure, out of the 300+ DI teams, you get Cinderella runs. Programs put together a once-in-lifetime collection of talent and they defy the odds and have a deep run in the tourney. Most of the time, those are singular events for that one particular program - VCU did it once, Wichita St did it once, George Mason did it once, and so on. You very rarely see a program do that more than once (Butler, pre-Big East, did it twice in consecutive years) and you don't really see any one single program do it over and over again. It's like that stat thing with birthdays - you get 23 people in a room and you have a better than even chance that two of them share a birthday, but the odds are extremely high that two people share a specific birthday that you pick. Cinderella runs, while not common, aren't uncommon either. It's uncommon for lightning to strike twice. If all you hope for with nova is for it to be a Cinderella again rather than a regular power, I think I need to ask if you're the faux fan. For shame.

Three teams in the last 5 years you dope.

Not the same team, reading-comprehension-impaired dope. I knew the math would be too daunting for you, given the nova education and all. I could frame it differently, I suppose. Say that you have an unlimited number of free phone cards numbered 1 through 365. If you pulled these free phone cards out of a hat one at a time, by the 23rd card you'd have a 50/50 shot of having two free phone cards with the same number. Now, the odds that you would have any two cards of a specific number (say like #96) would be pretty low, but some random number between 1 and 365 you probably would have. Is that clearer, or should I use lines of cocaine numbered 1 through 365 to further elaborate?

[vutomcat]

There are danger signs for EVERY team, but all you do is look at them and not the entire picture. You act like we don't know that Nova was bounced early in the tournament despite their top seeds.

Let's test this theory of yours about facing elite teams during the season and being prepared for the NCAA tournament. Let's take the most recent example of the 2008-2009 season where Nova reached the final 4. Elite teams will be considered top 10. During that season, Nova played #6 Texas, #3 UCONN, #3 Pitt, and #5 Louisville. They went 1-3. So how is that different than this season exactly?

Ok, this is the post where you finally jumped the shark. It's your Fonzie moment, or, in honor of this board, your 6.93 moment.

You're trying to tell me, in all honesty, that the schedule nova played in the 2008-09 season was on par with the schedule they are playing this year? I declare shenanigans. Let's use kenpom as a decent judge since everyone likes to go there. Forget this top 10 thing, let's stick with top 20. Heck, in doing that, I'm actually throwing out the Texas game as a good one for nova, so it should go in your favor (Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney that year, they finished #21 in kenpom, and got bumped in the second round that year). In 2008-09, nova played Pitt, Louisville (twice), UConn, Marquette (three times), Syracuse (twice), and West Virginia. That's 10 top notch games nova played prior to getting into the tournament (they went 5-5 in those games). And these weren't just top teams, these were also teams that were proven to be good once March came around - Pitt, Louisville, and UConn were all #1 seeds that year , Syracuse was a #3 seed like nova was, WVU was a #6, and Marquette was a #6. Only Marquette and WVU didn't make it out of the first weekend. Syracuse lost in the Sweet 16 game, Pitt and Louisville lost in the Elite 8 game, and UConn lost in the Final Four.

Counter that with this year. Right now, according to kenpom, nova will have played or will play two (2), teams in the top 20 of kenpom - UVA and Oklahoma, of which they are 0-2 (although that game against Oklahoma felt like two losses on its own). Neither was a conference game either. Counter that with the ten (10) games nova played against top 20 kenpom teams in the 2008-09 year that you so kindly brought up. And tell me again how it is the same. I seem to remember in school that the alligator mouth went towards the higher number, and unless math has changed lately, 10 would seem to be more than 2.

It's not like I act like you guys don't realize that nova's been bounced unceremoniously out of the tourney very early each of the last two years. It's that you guys like to pretend that folks like me (and I can't take sole credit, I wasn't the only one) weren't on here (in this very thread) each of the last two years telling you guys that it was going to happen while you guys were doing just what you're doing this year, denying it. I've been right two years in a row.

Oh, and when is someone going to bring up my prescience of predicting Providence's fall from grace? Ranked number 53 in kenpom as of today and still falling. I seem to remember using the word "fraud" to describe them. But who knows, I might be remembering that incorrectly.

Ok. Let's take Ken Pom as the guide

Kenpom #1 team in the country is the same team you have been saying has no chance.

[GannonFan]

Ok, this is the post where you finally jumped the shark. It's your Fonzie moment, or, in honor of this board, your 6.93 moment.

You're trying to tell me, in all honesty, that the schedule nova played in the 2008-09 season was on par with the schedule they are playing this year? I declare shenanigans. Let's use kenpom as a decent judge since everyone likes to go there. Forget this top 10 thing, let's stick with top 20. Heck, in doing that, I'm actually throwing out the Texas game as a good one for nova, so it should go in your favor (Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney that year, they finished #21 in kenpom, and got bumped in the second round that year). In 2008-09, nova played Pitt, Louisville (twice), UConn, Marquette (three times), Syracuse (twice), and West Virginia. That's 10 top notch games nova played prior to getting into the tournament (they went 5-5 in those games). And these weren't just top teams, these were also teams that were proven to be good once March came around - Pitt, Louisville, and UConn were all #1 seeds that year , Syracuse was a #3 seed like nova was, WVU was a #6, and Marquette was a #6. Only Marquette and WVU didn't make it out of the first weekend. Syracuse lost in the Sweet 16 game, Pitt and Louisville lost in the Elite 8 game, and UConn lost in the Final Four.

Counter that with this year. Right now, according to kenpom, nova will have played or will play two (2), teams in the top 20 of kenpom - UVA and Oklahoma, of which they are 0-2 (although that game against Oklahoma felt like two losses on its own). Neither was a conference game either. Counter that with the ten (10) games nova played against top 20 kenpom teams in the 2008-09 year that you so kindly brought up. And tell me again how it is the same. I seem to remember in school that the alligator mouth went towards the higher number, and unless math has changed lately, 10 would seem to be more than 2.

It's not like I act like you guys don't realize that nova's been bounced unceremoniously out of the tourney very early each of the last two years. It's that you guys like to pretend that folks like me (and I can't take sole credit, I wasn't the only one) weren't on here (in this very thread) each of the last two years telling you guys that it was going to happen while you guys were doing just what you're doing this year, denying it. I've been right two years in a row.

Oh, and when is someone going to bring up my prescience of predicting Providence's fall from grace? Ranked number 53 in kenpom as of today and still falling. I seem to remember using the word "fraud" to describe them. But who knows, I might be remembering that incorrectly.

Ok. Let's take Ken Pom as the guide

Kenpom #1 team in the country is the same team you have been saying has no chance.

Kenpom had nova #6 last year. What happened last year again?

And really, that's what you took out of all of that. Where's that emoji for something going right over someone's head when you need one? If you're going to come to the grown ups table, you're going to need to come with more of that. Don't you have a pom-pom you should be waving?

[Seahawks08]

There are danger signs for EVERY team, but all you do is look at them and not the entire picture. You act like we don't know that Nova was bounced early in the tournament despite their top seeds.

Let's test this theory of yours about facing elite teams during the season and being prepared for the NCAA tournament. Let's take the most recent example of the 2008-2009 season where Nova reached the final 4. Elite teams will be considered top 10. During that season, Nova played #6 Texas, #3 UCONN, #3 Pitt, and #5 Louisville. They went 1-3. So how is that different than this season exactly?

Ok, this is the post where you finally jumped the shark. It's your Fonzie moment, or, in honor of this board, your 6.93 moment.

You're trying to tell me, in all honesty, that the schedule nova played in the 2008-09 season was on par with the schedule they are playing this year? I declare shenanigans. Let's use kenpom as a decent judge since everyone likes to go there. Forget this top 10 thing, let's stick with top 20. Heck, in doing that, I'm actually throwing out the Texas game as a good one for nova, so it should go in your favor (Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney that year, they finished #21 in kenpom, and got bumped in the second round that year). In 2008-09, nova played Pitt, Louisville (twice), UConn, Marquette (three times), Syracuse (twice), and West Virginia. That's 10 top notch games nova played prior to getting into the tournament (they went 5-5 in those games). And these weren't just top teams, these were also teams that were proven to be good once March came around - Pitt, Louisville, and UConn were all #1 seeds that year , Syracuse was a #3 seed like nova was, WVU was a #6, and Marquette was a #6. Only Marquette and WVU didn't make it out of the first weekend. Syracuse lost in the Sweet 16 game, Pitt and Louisville lost in the Elite 8 game, and UConn lost in the Final Four.

Counter that with this year. Right now, according to kenpom, nova will have played or will play two (2), teams in the top 20 of kenpom - UVA and Oklahoma, of which they are 0-2 (although that game against Oklahoma felt like two losses on its own). Neither was a conference game either. Counter that with the ten (10) games nova played against top 20 kenpom teams in the 2008-09 year that you so kindly brought up. And tell me again how it is the same. I seem to remember in school that the alligator mouth went towards the higher number, and unless math has changed lately, 10 would seem to be more than 2.

It's not like I act like you guys don't realize that nova's been bounced unceremoniously out of the tourney very early each of the last two years. It's that you guys like to pretend that folks like me (and I can't take sole credit, I wasn't the only one) weren't on here (in this very thread) each of the last two years telling you guys that it was going to happen while you guys were doing just what you're doing this year, denying it. I've been right two years in a row.

Oh, and when is someone going to bring up my prescience of predicting Providence's fall from grace? Ranked number 53 in kenpom as of today and still falling. I seem to remember using the word "fraud" to describe them. But who knows, I might be remembering that incorrectly.

For a person who criticizes others for reading comprehension, you may want to read my post again.

Excellent research, but that wasn't the argument.

And you have been right about Providence so far (is that enough props for ya?), but let's wait until the season concludes before boasting.

[vutomcat]

Three teams in the last 5 years you dope.

Not the same team, reading-comprehension-impaired dope. I knew the math would be too daunting for you, given the nova education and all. I could frame it differently, I suppose. Say that you have an unlimited number of free phone cards numbered 1 through 365. If you pulled these free phone cards out of a hat one at a time, by the 23rd card you'd have a 50/50 shot of having two free phone cards with the same number. Now, the odds that you would have any two cards of a specific number (say like #96) would be pretty low, but some random number between 1 and 365 you probably would have. Is that clearer, or should I use lines of cocaine numbered 1 through 365 to further elaborate?

Yiur post is so flawed it's ridiculous. It's like when Christie told the young female reporter "what do you want me to do get a mop"? It's just so far off that the particulars don't matter. Write a fifteen paragraph response to try to hide the flaws but it just doesn't fly.

[GannonFan]

Ok, this is the post where you finally jumped the shark. It's your Fonzie moment, or, in honor of this board, your 6.93 moment.

You're trying to tell me, in all honesty, that the schedule nova played in the 2008-09 season was on par with the schedule they are playing this year? I declare shenanigans. Let's use kenpom as a decent judge since everyone likes to go there. Forget this top 10 thing, let's stick with top 20. Heck, in doing that, I'm actually throwing out the Texas game as a good one for nova, so it should go in your favor (Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney that year, they finished #21 in kenpom, and got bumped in the second round that year). In 2008-09, nova played Pitt, Louisville (twice), UConn, Marquette (three times), Syracuse (twice), and West Virginia. That's 10 top notch games nova played prior to getting into the tournament (they went 5-5 in those games). And these weren't just top teams, these were also teams that were proven to be good once March came around - Pitt, Louisville, and UConn were all #1 seeds that year , Syracuse was a #3 seed like nova was, WVU was a #6, and Marquette was a #6. Only Marquette and WVU didn't make it out of the first weekend. Syracuse lost in the Sweet 16 game, Pitt and Louisville lost in the Elite 8 game, and UConn lost in the Final Four.

Counter that with this year. Right now, according to kenpom, nova will have played or will play two (2), teams in the top 20 of kenpom - UVA and Oklahoma, of which they are 0-2 (although that game against Oklahoma felt like two losses on its own). Neither was a conference game either. Counter that with the ten (10) games nova played against top 20 kenpom teams in the 2008-09 year that you so kindly brought up. And tell me again how it is the same. I seem to remember in school that the alligator mouth went towards the higher number, and unless math has changed lately, 10 would seem to be more than 2.

It's not like I act like you guys don't realize that nova's been bounced unceremoniously out of the tourney very early each of the last two years. It's that you guys like to pretend that folks like me (and I can't take sole credit, I wasn't the only one) weren't on here (in this very thread) each of the last two years telling you guys that it was going to happen while you guys were doing just what you're doing this year, denying it. I've been right two years in a row.

Oh, and when is someone going to bring up my prescience of predicting Providence's fall from grace? Ranked number 53 in kenpom as of today and still falling. I seem to remember using the word "fraud" to describe them. But who knows, I might be remembering that incorrectly.

For a person who criticizes others for reading comprehension, you may want to read my post again.

Excellent research, but that wasn't the argument.

And you have been right about Providence so far (is that enough props for ya?), but let's wait until the season concludes before boasting.

That was the argument. You said, and I quote,

Let's test this theory of yours about facing elite teams during the season and being prepared for the NCAA tournament. Let's take the most recent example of the 2008-2009 season where Nova reached the final 4. Elite teams will be considered top 10. During that season, Nova played #6 Texas, #3 UCONN, #3 Pitt, and #5 Louisville. They went 1-3. So how is that different than this season exactly?

I countered that you were parsing the data incorrectly. Sure, Texas was #6 in the nation when the 08-09 nova team played them (they played in December that year), but Texas ended up being a #7 seed and bounced early from the tournament in March that year. That was an error on your part. I countered with the correct listing of quality teams that nova played that year (thanks is large part to the quality that was the old Big East conference, aka prior to the mass exodus) and showed that they actually played 10 games that year, in conference play (so in Jan through March). That's different than the 2 games they've played so far this year, both OOC, and both played in the middle of December. So tell me what part of your post means something other than what you wrote.

That's been the basis of this entire thread. In the old Big East, nova was challenged and got better and better as the year went on because they consistently played top flight teams all the way leading up to the tournament in March. Now, in the new Big East, nova ends up feasting on a conference schedule of lightweights after the OOC schedule basically ends in mid December and isn't properly ready for the rigors of the tournament in March.

[vutomcat]

Ok. Let's take Ken Pom as the guide

Kenpom #1 team in the country is the same team you have been saying has no chance.

Kenpom had nova #6 last year. What happened last year again?

And really, that's what you took out of all of that. Where's that emoji for something going right over someone's head when you need one? If you're going to come to the grown ups table, you're going to need to come with more of that. Don't you have a pom-pom you should be waving?

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ch ... ORM=IQFRBA

Is this big enough for you?

And, for sure, nothing you post goes over anyone's head pal. It may not make sense, but it's not over anyone's head. Who sounds like a snob? UD chip on the shoulder is very evident here.

Your analogy on the three teams in the last 5 years makes no sense and , in fact, it runs contrary to everything you have been posting. Your entire premise is shattered by these results. It's not just one team every 30 years, it's three teams in the last 5 years! AND, their schedule wasn't even close to Nova's. You just lost this argument and you are just too frustrated to admit it.

AND, KEN POM is your favorite reference to support your flawed weak far reaching arguments. OH NO Sadly for you-------
KEN POM has Nova as the #1 team in the country. GAME, SET MATCH!

GF --- or FF or Nova fan or Big 5 fan or whatever you want to call yourself - maybe today will come another misrepresentation.....but for sure your argument doesn't get proven right because one team didn't go deep in the tourney for a few years. That's where you are really wrong.

[89Hen]

http://collegespun.com/national/the-25- ... cket-rules

The 25 Best College Basketball Programs Since 1985, Scored By NCAA Tournament Bracket Rules

25. Georgia Tech – 380 points
24. Butler – 400 points
23. Illinois – 440 points
22. Memphis – 450 points
21. Oklahoma – 490 points
20. Wisconsin – 500 points
19. Georgetown – 510 points
18. Ohio State – 530 points
T-16. Villanova – 590 points
T-16. UNLV – 590 points
15. Maryland – 600 points
14. Arkansas – 710 points
13. Indiana – 750 points
12. UCLA – 910 points
11. Michigan – 970 points
10. Syracuse – 1,020 Points
9. Arizona – 1,030 Points
T-7. Louisville – 1,120 Points
T-7. Michigan State – 1,120 Points
6. Florida – 1,160 Points
5. Connecticut - 1,670 points
4. Kansas - 1,750 points
3. North Carolina - 1,850 points
2. Kentucky - 1,930 points
1. Duke – 2,760 points

So it really depends on what you consider "elite". For me, I'd cut it off around 8 and maybe not include Florida.

[dbackjon]

http://collegespun.com/national/the-25- ... cket-rules

The 25 Best College Basketball Programs Since 1985, Scored By NCAA Tournament Bracket Rules

25. Georgia Tech – 380 points
24. Butler – 400 points
23. Illinois – 440 points
22. Memphis – 450 points
21. Oklahoma – 490 points
20. Wisconsin – 500 points
19. Georgetown – 510 points
18. Ohio State – 530 points
T-16. Villanova – 590 points
T-16. UNLV – 590 points
15. Maryland – 600 points
14. Arkansas – 710 points
13. Indiana – 750 points
12. UCLA – 910 points
11. Michigan – 970 points
10. Syracuse – 1,020 Points
9. Arizona – 1,030 Points
T-7. Louisville – 1,120 Points
T-7. Michigan State – 1,120 Points
6. Florida – 1,160 Points
5. Connecticut - 1,670 points
4. Kansas - 1,750 points
3. North Carolina - 1,850 points
2. Kentucky - 1,930 points
1. Duke – 2,760 points

So it really depends on what you consider "elite". For me, I'd cut it off around 8 and maybe not include Florida.

Interesting ranking. I think it overvalues the NC, and undervalues making the tourney.

[89Hen]

Interesting ranking. I think it overvalues the NC, and undervalues making the tourney.

Maybe, but teams also make the tourney on name sometimes, so...

[vutomcat]

http://collegespun.com/national/the-25- ... cket-rules

The 25 Best College Basketball Programs Since 1985, Scored By NCAA Tournament Bracket Rules

25. Georgia Tech – 380 points
24. Butler – 400 points
23. Illinois – 440 points
22. Memphis – 450 points
21. Oklahoma – 490 points
20. Wisconsin – 500 points
19. Georgetown – 510 points
18. Ohio State – 530 points
T-16. Villanova – 590 points
T-16. UNLV – 590 points
15. Maryland – 600 points
14. Arkansas – 710 points
13. Indiana – 750 points
12. UCLA – 910 points
11. Michigan – 970 points
10. Syracuse – 1,020 Points
9. Arizona – 1,030 Points
T-7. Louisville – 1,120 Points
T-7. Michigan State – 1,120 Points
6. Florida – 1,160 Points
5. Connecticut - 1,670 points
4. Kansas - 1,750 points
3. North Carolina - 1,850 points
2. Kentucky - 1,930 points
1. Duke – 2,760 points

So it really depends on what you consider "elite". For me, I'd cut it off around 8 and maybe not include Florida.

There are so many basketball programs (over 350) it might be reasonable to expand the elite term though. If you graduate in a class of over 350 with a ranking of 20 aren't you an elite student? Suma Cum Laude=highest distinction. Its all in the eyes of the beholder I guess. Small point. I get what you're saying. Nova is not even in my opinion one of the most elite programs.

[GannonFan]

Kenpom had nova #6 last year. What happened last year again?

And really, that's what you took out of all of that. Where's that emoji for something going right over someone's head when you need one? If you're going to come to the grown ups table, you're going to need to come with more of that. Don't you have a pom-pom you should be waving?

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ch ... ORM=IQFRBA

Is this big enough for you?

And, for sure, nothing you post goes over anyone's head pal. It may not make sense, but it's not over anyone's head. Who sounds like a snob? UD chip on the shoulder is very evident here.

Your analogy on the three teams in the last 5 years makes no sense and , in fact, it runs contrary to everything you have been posting. Your entire premise is shattered by these results. It's not just one team every 30 years, it's three teams in the last 5 years! AND, their schedule wasn't even close to Nova's. You just lost this argument and you are just too frustrated to admit it.

AND, KEN POM is your favorite reference to support your flawed weak far reaching arguments. OH NO Sadly for you-------
KEN POM has Nova as the #1 team in the country. GAME, SET MATCH!

GF --- or FF or Nova fan or Big 5 fan or whatever you want to call yourself - maybe today will come another misrepresentation.....but for sure your argument doesn't get proven right because one team didn't go deep in the tourney for a few years. That's where you are really wrong.

Like I said, when you're ready to join the big boy table for this argument, let me know. The math is beyond you, the basketball is beyond you, and I'm sure there's other things as well. This thread is littered with things you've gotten wrong for 2+ years, so I'm sure no one's going to care if we add another.

[Seahawks08]

Read it again. I am not comparing the Old Big East to the New Big East in any way other than facing the "Elite" teams. SOS is one thing, but I have never said this Big East is just as good as the old one.

And here we go again with this oh you played #blah blah in december, january, february but their ranking doesn't count because of what they did at the end of the year. All you can do is play the game on the schedule and if the team is ranked in the top 10 at the time, there is most likely a valid reason for it. If we played this game, then you would have to look at who the team has played (unranked) and later became a top 10 team or went deep into the NCAA tournament.

[vutomcat]

Ok. Let's take Ken Pom as the guide

Kenpom #1 team in the country is the same team you have been saying has no chance.

Kenpom had nova #6 last year. What happened last year again?

And really, that's what you took out of all of that. Where's that emoji for something going right over someone's head when you need one? If you're going to come to the grown ups table, you're going to need to come with more of that. Don't you have a pom-pom you should be waving?

I don't think that if you think 6=1 that math is one of your strengths. Or, is that over your head?

[vutomcat]

#1 team in the country rolls along in front of a crowd of over 18,000 at Wells Fargo while #2,3.4,5 and 7 teams go down this week. (Virginia was robbed at Cameron). Next victim Temple at the Liacouras Center. Should be a good test.

[GannonFan]

Read it again. I am not comparing the Old Big East to the New Big East in any way other than facing the "Elite" teams. SOS is one thing, but I have never said this Big East is just as good as the old one.

And here we go again with this oh you played #blah blah in december, january, february but their ranking doesn't count because of what they did at the end of the year. All you can do is play the game on the schedule and if the team is ranked in the top 10 at the time, there is most likely a valid reason for it. If we played this game, then you would have to look at who the team has played (unranked) and later became a top 10 team or went deep into the NCAA tournament.

If you can honestly say that Texas in 2008-09 was an elite team then we're at an impasse here. Teams are ranked early in the season for plenty of "valid" reasons, most of which are based on how they performed in the year prior. There is no better evaluator and judge of how good a team is than the regular season they play in, and to look at that you need to look at where teams ended up just prior to the tourney, and even for that matter, in the tourney. Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney and got bounced by the first weekend. By no such measure would anyone call Texas, at that point in time for that season, "elite".

Oh, and I did the work for you already and looked at who nova played then and where those teams ended up, both at the end of the year by their NCAA seedings and by how they did in the tournament. All you have to do is to acknowledge that your original point, that nova is playing a similar schedule this year (total of two games against top teams by kenpom) is the same as they played the last time they went deep in the tournament (when they played ten games against top teams by kenpom) was wrong. I've already proven it to be wrong, just waiting on the acknowledgement.

[Seahawks08]

Read it again. I am not comparing the Old Big East to the New Big East in any way other than facing the "Elite" teams. SOS is one thing, but I have never said this Big East is just as good as the old one.

And here we go again with this oh you played #blah blah in december, january, february but their ranking doesn't count because of what they did at the end of the year. All you can do is play the game on the schedule and if the team is ranked in the top 10 at the time, there is most likely a valid reason for it. If we played this game, then you would have to look at who the team has played (unranked) and later became a top 10 team or went deep into the NCAA tournament.

If you can honestly say that Texas in 2008-09 was an elite team then we're at an impasse here. Teams are ranked early in the season for plenty of "valid" reasons, most of which are based on how they performed in the year prior. There is no better evaluator and judge of how good a team is than the regular season they play in, and to look at that you need to look at where teams ended up just prior to the tourney, and even for that matter, in the tourney. Texas was a #7 seed in the tourney and got bounced by the first weekend. By no such measure would anyone call Texas, at that point in time for that season, "elite".

Oh, and I did the work for you already and looked at who nova played then and where those teams ended up, both at the end of the year by their NCAA seedings and by how they did in the tournament. All you have to do is to acknowledge that your original point, that nova is playing a similar schedule this year (total of two games against top teams by kenpom) is the same as they played the last time they went deep in the tournament (when they played ten games against top teams by kenpom) was wrong. I've already proven it to be wrong, just waiting on the acknowledgement.

When you alter the argument, there is no acknowledgement that needs to be made. You originally said elite teams and now you are adding to it, which is not what I was arguing. You clearly belong on the politics board because you can spin anything.