THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE

[vutomcat]

Number one team in the country (sounds so good) rolls along besting Butler at the ski lodge in Villanova Pa..
Showdown with the X men Wednesday.

What a game by "the Arch"! 9 assists -ZERO turnovers

[GannonFan]

So you're sticking with the RPI, even though it's not really a valid statistical model, and you're going with just the top 10 and ignoring what comes after that? Good to know where you gave up.

I believe you ripped Brunson when you said he wasn't as good as Arcidiacono. Brunson playing last year as a high school senior against NC State would've given nova a better chance to win than Arci did. Brunson's the kind of player they need who can shine in March, not just November.

1) You really think I gave up after slicing and dicing you all over this thread? I'll use whatever computer rankings I want thank you. This is too much fun GF! Your point was that other teams played the "toughest" top 50 teams and Nova did not. I have proven you wrong. You still think this is 2015. You are so steeped in this argument that the facts are escaping you.


2) Another example here. You believe a lot of things that are inaccurate. Never happened. Couldn't find it could you? Talk about giving up!!!

It's okay, dude, I've pretty much owned your butt for all 40 some pages of this thread. I understand if you're a bit punchdrunk now. I've been right on everything I've said for 2+ years now, I know it must be frustrating galore for you. I'm bound to be wrong someday, so hang in there. Hey, I like nova's chances of reaching the Sweet 16 this year, with Brunson in tow of course (sit Arci down for extended periods in the tournament in favor of more time for Brunson would be a smart move by Jay). I don't like their chances in the Sweet 16, but hey, progress!

[vutomcat]

1) You really think I gave up after slicing and dicing you all over this thread? I'll use whatever computer rankings I want thank you. This is too much fun GF! Your point was that other teams played the "toughest" top 50 teams and Nova did not. I have proven you wrong. You still think this is 2015. You are so steeped in this argument that the facts are escaping you.


2) Another example here. You believe a lot of things that are inaccurate. Never happened. Couldn't find it could you? Talk about giving up!!!

It's okay, dude, I've pretty much owned your butt for all 40 some pages of this thread. I understand if you're a bit punchdrunk now. I've been right on everything I've said for 2+ years now, I know it must be frustrating galore for you. I'm bound to be wrong someday, so hang in there. Hey, I like nova's chances of reaching the Sweet 16 this year, with Brunson in tow of course (sit Arci down for extended periods in the tournament in favor of more time for Brunson would be a smart move by Jay). I don't like their chances in the Sweet 16, but hey, progress!

Talk about being drunk! I can almost hear you slurring your words in this post.

Bound to be wrong someday? First you have to be right once in 2016! and, right in this post I call you out about claiming something I posted never happened and you have no answer? OMG. What a fantasy world you live in.

[GannonFan]

It's okay, dude, I've pretty much owned your butt for all 40 some pages of this thread. I understand if you're a bit punchdrunk now. I've been right on everything I've said for 2+ years now, I know it must be frustrating galore for you. I'm bound to be wrong someday, so hang in there. Hey, I like nova's chances of reaching the Sweet 16 this year, with Brunson in tow of course (sit Arci down for extended periods in the tournament in favor of more time for Brunson would be a smart move by Jay). I don't like their chances in the Sweet 16, but hey, progress!

Talk about being drunk! I can almost hear you slurring your words in this post.

Bound to be wrong someday? First you have to be right once in 2016! and, right in this post I call you out about claiming something I posted never happened and you have no answer? OMG. What a fantasy world you live in.

You said Arci was better than Brunson, that's just a fact. And be right once in 2016? I called the nova/Temple game, said Temple didn't have the horses to keep up with nova. I called the Providence being a fraud even when they were in the top 10 and you and everyone else was harping on what a great team they were (currently sitting at #56 in the kenpom ratings). I called the weakening at the top of the Big East as the year would roll on and it has (two teams, nova and Xavier, and not a lot else in the Big East again this year - they'll get maybe 5 teams in, but 3 are destined to be early exits). And of course, that's just discounting the numerous times I've been right in the past few years as I called nova's early exits in the tourney because of a lack of preparation through the season. I know it's hard to see all this with the flurry of pom poms you like to wave in your face, but I've pretty much exposed you as the rah rah guy you are. Leave the serious basketball discussion to those in the know and just go out and be excited by all the noise and lights when the game is playing.

[vutomcat]

Talk about being drunk! I can almost hear you slurring your words in this post.

Bound to be wrong someday? First you have to be right once in 2016! and, right in this post I call you out about claiming something I posted never happened and you have no answer? OMG. What a fantasy world you live in.

You said Arci was better than Brunson, that's just a fact. And be right once in 2016? I called the nova/Temple game, said Temple didn't have the horses to keep up with nova. I called the Providence being a fraud even when they were in the top 10 and you and everyone else was harping on what a great team they were (currently sitting at #56 in the kenpom ratings). I called the weakening at the top of the Big East as the year would roll on and it has (two teams, nova and Xavier, and not a lot else in the Big East again this year - they'll get maybe 5 teams in, but 3 are destined to be early exits). And of course, that's just discounting the numerous times I've been right in the past few years as I called nova's early exits in the tourney because of a lack of preparation through the season. I know it's hard to see all this with the flurry of pom poms you like to wave in your face, but I've pretty much exposed you as the rah rah guy you are. Leave the serious basketball discussion to those in the know and just go out and be excited by all the noise and lights when the game is playing.

This is just too funny. There you go again. Again, I did not say anywhere Arci is better than Brunson. For the third time- SHOW ME THE POST! I'm feeling embarrassed for you.

You want credit for calling Nova over Temple! OMG man. Nova has won 14 straight Big 5 games and the spread was double digits!!! Congratulations Captain Obvious! More serious embarrassment. Grasping at straws now. I feel a concession speech coming.

The weakening at the top of the Big East? This just in: AP Poll shows Nova is the number one team in the nation and Xavier is number five.
I couldn't be more happy with the outcome of this season for the top of the Big East and I am sure the top of the Big East has outperformed everyone's expectations.

Have a good day Nova fan. Sing along with me "V for Villanova V for Victory, B for blue and W for white for the ....

[89Hen]

Arci is better than Brunson

[vutomcat]

Arci is better than Brunson

Nice try.

[GannonFan]

You said Arci was better than Brunson, that's just a fact. And be right once in 2016? I called the nova/Temple game, said Temple didn't have the horses to keep up with nova. I called the Providence being a fraud even when they were in the top 10 and you and everyone else was harping on what a great team they were (currently sitting at #56 in the kenpom ratings). I called the weakening at the top of the Big East as the year would roll on and it has (two teams, nova and Xavier, and not a lot else in the Big East again this year - they'll get maybe 5 teams in, but 3 are destined to be early exits). And of course, that's just discounting the numerous times I've been right in the past few years as I called nova's early exits in the tourney because of a lack of preparation through the season. I know it's hard to see all this with the flurry of pom poms you like to wave in your face, but I've pretty much exposed you as the rah rah guy you are. Leave the serious basketball discussion to those in the know and just go out and be excited by all the noise and lights when the game is playing.

This is just too funny. There you go again. Again, I did not say anywhere Arci is better than Brunson. For the third time- SHOW ME THE POST! I'm feeling embarrassed for you.

You want credit for calling Nova over Temple! OMG man. Nova has won 14 straight Big 5 games and the spread was double digits!!! Congratulations Captain Obvious! More serious embarrassment. Grasping at straws now. I feel a concession speech coming.

The weakening at the top of the Big East? This just in: AP Poll shows Nova is the number one team in the nation and Xavier is number five.
I couldn't be more happy with the outcome of this season for the top of the Big East and I am sure the top of the Big East has outperformed everyone's expectations.

Have a good day Nova fan. Sing along with me "V for Villanova V for Victory, B for blue and W for white for the ....

Well, technically, you equated Brunson with Arci, and since my opinion of Arci, especially when it gets to crunch time in an NCAA tournament is pretty low, that equates to a snub of Brunson. Here's the full quote since apparently you don't know how to use the search function on message boards:

Brunson is very good, you are correct. But, you have a short memory. Arci as a freshman played great in wins against Louisville ( Russ Smith/ Silva), Syracuse(Carter-Wiliams/Triche) and Georgetown at the Wells Fargo Center when they were all top ten teams. Arci is very good too. Don't blame you for trashing him based on last year's egg that he laid against NC State but you need to be fair.

And again, how is the top of the Big East this year really all that much different than previous years? Again, there are two teams, one of whom is nova, and then not much else? Last year was nova and Butler, the year before that it was nova and Creighton. And in a more worrisome trend, that second team (i.e. not nova) may have a higher poll ranking, but when you look at a statistical-based ranking (i.e. kenpom) that second team is not as high as you think they are. This year, Xavier is sitting at #14 in kenpom, last year Butler was #20, and the year before that Creighton was #24. Marginally better, yes, but not all that encouraging. And again, that's just the two top teams. This year you have to go all the way down to #33 (Seton Hall) before you find the third team, and no one else is in the top 40. Comparatively, the Big 10 has 6 teams in the top 40, the Big 12 has 7 teams in the top 40, the ACC has 6 teams in the top 40, the Pac 12 has 5 teams in the top 40. Heck, even the American has more teams in the top 30 (3) than the Big East does (2). Care to address these stats or is it more pom pom waving?

nova's having a great year, and that's great, but the worry is still there that they're doing it by hiding out in the weakened Big East and that it will come back to haunt them, again, when they get into the tourney. Like I said, I think they break through that first weekend this year (Brunson helps to do that, and really, how many years in a row can a top seed fail to beat the 8/9 team? Eventually even a non-toughened team should be able to win once). But just making one Sweet 16 isn't going to change the fact that nova isn't seeing the same level of competition that other top teams see week in and week out in their conferences and that puts nova at a significant disadvantage on the only stage that matters in college basketball, March Madness.

[vutomcat]

This is just too funny. There you go again. Again, I did not say anywhere Arci is better than Brunson. For the third time- SHOW ME THE POST! I'm feeling embarrassed for you.

You want credit for calling Nova over Temple! OMG man. Nova has won 14 straight Big 5 games and the spread was double digits!!! Congratulations Captain Obvious! More serious embarrassment. Grasping at straws now. I feel a concession speech coming.

The weakening at the top of the Big East? This just in: AP Poll shows Nova is the number one team in the nation and Xavier is number five.
I couldn't be more happy with the outcome of this season for the top of the Big East and I am sure the top of the Big East has outperformed everyone's expectations.

Have a good day Nova fan. Sing along with me "V for Villanova V for Victory, B for blue and W for white for the ....

Well, technically, you equated Brunson with Arci, and since my opinion of Arci, especially when it gets to crunch time in an NCAA tournament is pretty low, that equates to a snub of Brunson. Here's the full quote since apparently you don't know how to use the search function on message boards:

Brunson is very good, you are correct. But, you have a short memory. Arci as a freshman played great in wins against Louisville ( Russ Smith/ Silva), Syracuse(Carter-Wiliams/Triche) and Georgetown at the Wells Fargo Center when they were all top ten teams. Arci is very good too. Don't blame you for trashing him based on last year's egg that he laid against NC State but you need to be fair.

And again, how is the top of the Big East this year really all that much different than previous years? Again, there are two teams, one of whom is nova, and then not much else? Last year was nova and Butler, the year before that it was nova and Creighton. And in a more worrisome trend, that second team (i.e. not nova) may have a higher poll ranking, but when you look at a statistical-based ranking (i.e. kenpom) that second team is not as high as you think they are. This year, Xavier is sitting at #14 in kenpom, last year Butler was #20, and the year before that Creighton was #24. Marginally better, yes, but not all that encouraging. And again, that's just the two top teams. This year you have to go all the way down to #33 (Seton Hall) before you find the third team, and no one else is in the top 40. Comparatively, the Big 10 has 6 teams in the top 40, the Big 12 has 7 teams in the top 40, the ACC has 6 teams in the top 40, the Pac 12 has 5 teams in the top 40. Heck, even the American has more teams in the top 30 (3) than the Big East does (2). Care to address these stats or is it more pom pom waving?

nova's having a great year, and that's great, but the worry is still there that they're doing it by hiding out in the weakened Big East and that it will come back to haunt them, again, when they get into the tourney. Like I said, I think they break through that first weekend this year (Brunson helps to do that, and really, how many years in a row can a top seed fail to beat the 8/9 team? Eventually even a non-toughened team should be able to win once). But just making one Sweet 16 isn't going to change the fact that nova isn't seeing the same level of competition that other top teams see week in and week out in their conferences and that puts nova at a significant disadvantage on the only stage that matters in college basketball, March Madness.

This is getting too easy. When you get beat up this bad you should just take a week off and hope everyone forgets how wrong you were.

So, the post that you provide as proof that I said anything bad about Brunson is the one above? Sheesh. Give it up. Did you even read the post before hitting the quotes? Anything inaccurate in there? Anything sound remotely like I don't think Brunson is very good?

I already explained how the top of the Big East is way better than last year. They have the #1 and #5 teams in the country this year. Last year at this time Nova was #7 and Butler was #23. That damn math again. Keeps getting in the way.

The rest of your post is as close as a concession as I am ever going to get from you. You are already laying the ground work for the potential eventuality that Nova and the Big East have a successful tourney.

Let's just enjoy the run if it happens. You can't possibly be hoping your Nova team loses.

Sing along!

"Fight for Villanova, fight for victory, we are out to win the day, Villanova lead the way with a capital V for victory!" (pom poms optional)

[GannonFan]

Well, technically, you equated Brunson with Arci, and since my opinion of Arci, especially when it gets to crunch time in an NCAA tournament is pretty low, that equates to a snub of Brunson. Here's the full quote since apparently you don't know how to use the search function on message boards:



And again, how is the top of the Big East this year really all that much different than previous years? Again, there are two teams, one of whom is nova, and then not much else? Last year was nova and Butler, the year before that it was nova and Creighton. And in a more worrisome trend, that second team (i.e. not nova) may have a higher poll ranking, but when you look at a statistical-based ranking (i.e. kenpom) that second team is not as high as you think they are. This year, Xavier is sitting at #14 in kenpom, last year Butler was #20, and the year before that Creighton was #24. Marginally better, yes, but not all that encouraging. And again, that's just the two top teams. This year you have to go all the way down to #33 (Seton Hall) before you find the third team, and no one else is in the top 40. Comparatively, the Big 10 has 6 teams in the top 40, the Big 12 has 7 teams in the top 40, the ACC has 6 teams in the top 40, the Pac 12 has 5 teams in the top 40. Heck, even the American has more teams in the top 30 (3) than the Big East does (2). Care to address these stats or is it more pom pom waving?

nova's having a great year, and that's great, but the worry is still there that they're doing it by hiding out in the weakened Big East and that it will come back to haunt them, again, when they get into the tourney. Like I said, I think they break through that first weekend this year (Brunson helps to do that, and really, how many years in a row can a top seed fail to beat the 8/9 team? Eventually even a non-toughened team should be able to win once). But just making one Sweet 16 isn't going to change the fact that nova isn't seeing the same level of competition that other top teams see week in and week out in their conferences and that puts nova at a significant disadvantage on the only stage that matters in college basketball, March Madness.

This is getting too easy. When you get beat up this bad you should just take a week off and hope everyone forgets how wrong you were.

So, the post that you provide as proof that I said anything bad about Brunson is the one above? Sheesh. Give it up. Did you even read the post before hitting the quotes? Anything inaccurate in there? Anything sound remotely like I don't think Brunson is very good?

I already explained how the top of the Big East is way better than last year. They have the #1 and #5 teams in the country this year. Last year at this time Nova was #7 and Butler was #23. That damn math again. Keeps getting in the way.

The rest of your post is as close as a concession as I am ever going to get from you. You are already laying the ground work for the potential eventuality that Nova and the Big East have a successful tourney.

Let's just enjoy the run if it happens. You can't possibly be hoping your Nova team loses.

Sing along!

"Fight for Villanova, fight for victory, we are out to win the day, Villanova lead the way with a capital V for victory!" (pom poms optional)

So you're just going to ignore reality then? You keep bringing up math but then you resort to the AP poll, which is not math based. Do you know what math is? The numbers don't lie - for the third straight year nova finds themselves in a conference that presents very few opportunities to play opponents of the same or even higher levels, in stark contrast to the power conferences elsewhere in college basketball where such contests happen almost weekly. nova is the top dog in a conference with a lot of puppies. They're like Memphis was after all the other teams left CUSA and went to the old Big East. Memphis did well for awhile after that exodus too.

No, I don't hope that nova loses, I like watching them win (just like I like watching the other Big 5 schools do well too - remember, I'm a Philly college basketball fan, I root for them all). However, I'm not a rah-rah fan like you are, and when there are reasons for alarm bells I tend to listen to those alarm bells. Those same alarm bells that were ringing in 2014 and 2015 (both years when I said they were ringing and you said things were great - who was right then?) are still ringing this year. You still think the new Big East is no worse, or, shudder, even better than the old Big East. It's hard to contemplate that kind of cognitive dissonance but then again, that's why you're a rah rah.

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[Seahawks08]

So you're just going to ignore reality then? You keep bringing up math but then you resort to the AP poll, which is not math based. Do you know what math is? The numbers don't lie - for the third straight year nova finds themselves in a conference that presents very few opportunities to play opponents of the same or even higher levels, in stark contrast to the power conferences elsewhere in college basketball where such contests happen almost weekly. nova is the top dog in a conference with a lot of puppies. They're like Memphis was after all the other teams left CUSA and went to the old Big East. Memphis did well for awhile after that exodus too.

No, I don't hope that nova loses, I like watching them win (just like I like watching the other Big 5 schools do well too - remember, I'm a Philly college basketball fan, I root for them all). However, I'm not a rah-rah fan like you are, and when there are reasons for alarm bells I tend to listen to those alarm bells. Those same alarm bells that were ringing in 2014 and 2015 (both years when I said they were ringing and you said things were great - who was right then?) are still ringing this year. You still think the new Big East is no worse, or, shudder, even better than the old Big East. It's hard to contemplate that kind of cognitive dissonance but then again, that's why you're a rah rah.

And here we go again with the conference issue. How many times are we going to have to nail into your head that the Big East is still a power conference? Yes, they are not as good as the old Big East, but they can compete with any other conference out there.

The lowest ranking for the new Big East that I've found so far is 4th. And they were 2nd last year. Not too shabby.

[GannonFan]

So you're just going to ignore reality then? You keep bringing up math but then you resort to the AP poll, which is not math based. Do you know what math is? The numbers don't lie - for the third straight year nova finds themselves in a conference that presents very few opportunities to play opponents of the same or even higher levels, in stark contrast to the power conferences elsewhere in college basketball where such contests happen almost weekly. nova is the top dog in a conference with a lot of puppies. They're like Memphis was after all the other teams left CUSA and went to the old Big East. Memphis did well for awhile after that exodus too.

No, I don't hope that nova loses, I like watching them win (just like I like watching the other Big 5 schools do well too - remember, I'm a Philly college basketball fan, I root for them all). However, I'm not a rah-rah fan like you are, and when there are reasons for alarm bells I tend to listen to those alarm bells. Those same alarm bells that were ringing in 2014 and 2015 (both years when I said they were ringing and you said things were great - who was right then?) are still ringing this year. You still think the new Big East is no worse, or, shudder, even better than the old Big East. It's hard to contemplate that kind of cognitive dissonance but then again, that's why you're a rah rah.

And here we go again with the conference issue. How many times are we going to have to nail into your head that the Big East is still a power conference? Yes, they are not as good as the old Big East, but they can compete with any other conference out there.

The lowest ranking for the new Big East that I've found so far is 4th. And they were 2nd last year. Not too shabby.

It gets shabby once March Madness comes around. 2-4 record in 2014 with no teams surviving the first weekend, 5-6 record in 2015 with only one team making the Sweet 16 (and losing there). That's not competing with other conferences that have far better records. And it's not a problem of not getting good seeds, they're getting plenty. In 2014 the Big East had a #2, a #3, a #11, and a #12. In 2015 they had a #1, a #4, three #6's (important as they avoid a #1 or #2 seed in the second round - didn't matter, but still important), and a #9. That's 10 bids in two years and only one Sweet 16 appearance (again, losing there) as the highlight. That ain't good and plenty of other conferences do much better than that.

To put it in context, ranking the conferences by winning percentage in March Madness, the Big East finished #9 in 2014 and #7 in 2015 and have not finished above a single recognized power conference in either tournament. Hard to spin that as good but go ahead, try.

[vutomcat]

So you're just going to ignore reality then? You keep bringing up math but then you resort to the AP poll, which is not math based. Do you know what math is? The numbers don't lie - for the third straight year nova finds themselves in a conference that presents very few opportunities to play opponents of the same or even higher levels, in stark contrast to the power conferences elsewhere in college basketball where such contests happen almost weekly. nova is the top dog in a conference with a lot of puppies. They're like Memphis was after all the other teams left CUSA and went to the old Big East. Memphis did well for awhile after that exodus too.

No, I don't hope that nova loses, I like watching them win (just like I like watching the other Big 5 schools do well too - remember, I'm a Philly college basketball fan, I root for them all). However, I'm not a rah-rah fan like you are, and when there are reasons for alarm bells I tend to listen to those alarm bells. Those same alarm bells that were ringing in 2014 and 2015 (both years when I said they were ringing and you said things were great - who was right then?) are still ringing this year. You still think the new Big East is no worse, or, shudder, even better than the old Big East. It's hard to contemplate that kind of cognitive dissonance but then again, that's why you're a rah rah.

And here we go again with the conference issue. How many times are we going to have to nail into your head that the Big East is still a power conference? Yes, they are not as good as the old Big East, but they can compete with any other conference out there.

The lowest ranking for the new Big East that I've found so far is 4th. And they were 2nd last year. Not too shabby.

And the misquotes keep on coming. Do you have no shame? You make this WAY too easy. I didn't say this Big East was as good as the old Big East. You and some others listen to the ESPN drivel that the Big East died when they restructured and dump on this conference unfairly. Taking the handful of games that have happened in March the last two years does not prove your point. The much more telling figures come from the regular season where there are far more games to look at and draw conclusions. Seahawk is right on target here.

[GannonFan]

And here we go again with the conference issue. How many times are we going to have to nail into your head that the Big East is still a power conference? Yes, they are not as good as the old Big East, but they can compete with any other conference out there.

The lowest ranking for the new Big East that I've found so far is 4th. And they were 2nd last year. Not too shabby.

And the misquotes keep on coming. Do you have no shame? You make this WAY too easy. I didn't say this Big East was as good as the old Big East. You and some others listen to the ESPN drivel that the Big East died when they restructured and dump on this conference unfairly. Taking the handful of games that have happened in March the last two years does not prove your point. The much more telling figures come from the regular season where there are far more games to look at and draw conclusions. Seahawk is right on target here.

Most of the regular season is played in conference or OOC games against teams not from power conferences, and even on the rare occasion where two big teams play from different conferences (like with nova playing OK and UVA) it happens in November and early December, which is 4-5 months before the national champion is crowned in early April. Where the rubber hits the road is in March and that's what all of college basketball is geared to. I said before if you want to trumpet that your conference is awesome in November have at it - frankly, the Big East has done great in November. Problem is, the thing that really matters happens in March.

[89Hen]

That's not competing with other conferences that have far better records.

You're wasting your breath there. Too many guys here think "competing with" means not getting blown out every single game.

[Seahawks08]

And here we go again with the conference issue. How many times are we going to have to nail into your head that the Big East is still a power conference? Yes, they are not as good as the old Big East, but they can compete with any other conference out there.

The lowest ranking for the new Big East that I've found so far is 4th. And they were 2nd last year. Not too shabby.

It gets shabby once March Madness comes around. 2-4 record in 2014 with no teams surviving the first weekend, 5-6 record in 2015 with only one team making the Sweet 16 (and losing there). That's not competing with other conferences that have far better records. And it's not a problem of not getting good seeds, they're getting plenty. In 2014 the Big East had a #2, a #3, a #11, and a #12. In 2015 they had a #1, a #4, three #6's (important as they avoid a #1 or #2 seed in the second round - didn't matter, but still important), and a #9. That's 10 bids in two years and only one Sweet 16 appearance (again, losing there) as the highlight. That ain't good and plenty of other conferences do much better than that.

To put it in context, ranking the conferences by winning percentage in March Madness, the Big East finished #9 in 2014 and #7 in 2015 and have not finished above a single recognized power conference in either tournament. Hard to spin that as good but go ahead, try.

Citation please. #9 and #7 my ass. How many of those wins come from a team like UK? I guess since one team has a better win percentage in the SEC, the entire SEC is better than the BE?

[GannonFan]

It gets shabby once March Madness comes around. 2-4 record in 2014 with no teams surviving the first weekend, 5-6 record in 2015 with only one team making the Sweet 16 (and losing there). That's not competing with other conferences that have far better records. And it's not a problem of not getting good seeds, they're getting plenty. In 2014 the Big East had a #2, a #3, a #11, and a #12. In 2015 they had a #1, a #4, three #6's (important as they avoid a #1 or #2 seed in the second round - didn't matter, but still important), and a #9. That's 10 bids in two years and only one Sweet 16 appearance (again, losing there) as the highlight. That ain't good and plenty of other conferences do much better than that.

To put it in context, ranking the conferences by winning percentage in March Madness, the Big East finished #9 in 2014 and #7 in 2015 and have not finished above a single recognized power conference in either tournament. Hard to spin that as good but go ahead, try.

Citation please. #9 and #7 my ass. How many of those wins come from a team like UK? I guess since one team has a better win percentage in the SEC, the entire SEC is better than the BE?

Citation? You actually need a citation for this? Man, I knew vutomcat was pretty much basketball illiterate but I thought you were more aware. Where have you been the last two years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA ... Tournament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA ... Tournament

So, just in case you can't navigate links any better than you can recall common knowledge of the past two years, the winning percentage in the NCAA tournament, by conference, for the last two years is as follows:

2014
Conference (number of total bids in parantheses), record, and winning percentage and then number of teams to make Sweet 16:

SEC(3): 12-3 .800 3 teams in Sweet 16
American (4): 9-3 .750 2 teams in Sweet 16
Big 10 (6): 10-6 .625 3 teams in Sweet 16
Pac-12 (6): 8-6 .571 3 teams in Sweet 16
ACC (6): 6-6 .500 1 team in Sweet 16
Mountain West (2): 2-2 .500 1 team in Sweet 16
Big 12 (7): 6-7 .462 2 teams in Sweet 16
Atlantic 10 (6): 4-6 .400 1 team in Sweet 16
Big East (4): 2-4 .333 0 teams in Sweet 16

2015
ACC (6): 17-5 .773 5 teams in Sweet 16 (which is funny because vutomcat had a quote early in the year that the Big East was maybe just only behind the ACC. Good stuff)
Big 10 (7): 12-7 .632 2 teams in Sweet 16
SEC (5): 6-5 .545 1 team in Sweet 16
Pac-12 (4): 8-4 .667 3 teams in Sweet 16
West Coast (2): 3-2 .600 1 team in Sweet 16
Big 12 (7): 5-7 .417 2 teams in Sweet 16
Big East (6): 5-6 .455 1 team in Sweet 16
MVC (2): 3-2 .600 1 team in Sweet 16

And man, why mocking the SEC? The new Big East would love to have done as well as they have. 2014 was just two years ago and the SEC had three (3) teams make the Sweet 16 - Tennessee, Florida, and Kentucky. Remember, that year the Big East had zero (0) teams in the Sweet 16. And then, to boot, Florida and Kentucky were both in the Final Four (for the math impaired *cough* vutomcat *cough* that's two, count them two SEC teams in the Final Four that year). But who really wants that kind of success when you can point to wins that happened before Thanksgiving?

[bluehenbillk]

So Villanova's second best win this year is St. Joe's?

[vutomcat]

So Villanova's second best win this year is St. Joe's?

Maybe. According to KenPom it is fourth best ( two vs. Seton Hall and X) but the Hawks have had a very good year. Two excellent players, kind of like Providence.

[GannonFan]

So Villanova's second best win this year is St. Joe's?

Maybe. According to KenPom it is fourth best ( two vs. Seton Hall and X) but the Hawks have had a very good year. Two excellent players, kind of like Providence.

Hey, since you brought up Providence...

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... tournament

Latest loss for Providence sends it closer to the bubble

Now, I seem to remember some discussion on this thread about Providence...

Providence is a fraud, they might even get exposed in conference before crashing out in the tourney.

posted December 22nd, 2015

Providence. I think they have two future NBA players. Obviously Dunn, and Bentil looks like one too. They may be a little better than you think.

posted in response on December 22nd, 2015

Nah, I've watched at least 4-5 Providence games so far, they're weak. Dunn's legit, and the other guy is pretty good, but they've little depth beyond them and I think they've just feasted on an easy non conference schedule.

posted on December 22, 2015

They are 11-1 with a win over #8 Arizona.

posted in response on December 22, 2015

Also, Providence showed that they are better than I thought they were. Having Kris Dunn in foul trouble in the second half made the Friars' Bullock and Bentl have to step up and they did. Excellent win for the Friars.

posted on Jan 1st this year

I might call it now that Providence loses in the first round no matter the opponent - I know Dunn puts up a lot of points but I would be begging the Sixers not to take him in the draft - he has bust written all over him.

posted on Jan 21st of this year.

Not sure what your beef against Providence is about. They are a very good team. They are not "weak". They are a top 15 or 20 team with only three losses and it's late January. They have three wins against the top 20 too. More of you trying to trod on the Big East I guess.

posted in response on Jan 21st this year

Gannon talking out of his ass again.

posted in response on Jan 22nd this year

As for Providence, I still think they blow

posted on Jan 25th after Providence knocked off nova

My own eye tells me ... Providence have a shot at a Final Eight or thereabouts.

posted on Jan 29th of this year

Providence ... would be bubble teams,

posted in response on Jan 29th

My prediction about Providence possibly being a first round exit may be off, though. ... It's possible they don't even make the tournament at that rate.

posted on Feb 8th of this year.

Who is this GannonFan guy and why is he so prescient when it comes to college basketball??? (this is when we need an emoji where the smiley face is holding the microphone out and then dropping it in derision - where can I get one of those???)

[YoUDeeMan]

Gannonfan is making this thread worthwhile.

Certainly the Big East conference's performance isn't making this thread worthwhile.

[vutomcat]

Maybe. According to KenPom it is fourth best ( two vs. Seton Hall and X) but the Hawks have had a very good year. Two excellent players, kind of like Providence.

Hey, since you brought up Providence...

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... tournament

Latest loss for Providence sends it closer to the bubble

Now, I seem to remember some discussion on this thread about Providence...

Providence is a fraud, they might even get exposed in conference before crashing out in the tourney.

posted December 22nd, 2015

Providence. I think they have two future NBA players. Obviously Dunn, and Bentil looks like one too. They may be a little better than you think.

posted in response on December 22nd, 2015

Nah, I've watched at least 4-5 Providence games so far, they're weak. Dunn's legit, and the other guy is pretty good, but they've little depth beyond them and I think they've just feasted on an easy non conference schedule.

posted on December 22, 2015

They are 11-1 with a win over #8 Arizona.

posted in response on December 22, 2015

Also, Providence showed that they are better than I thought they were. Having Kris Dunn in foul trouble in the second half made the Friars' Bullock and Bentl have to step up and they did. Excellent win for the Friars.

posted on Jan 1st this year

I might call it now that Providence loses in the first round no matter the opponent - I know Dunn puts up a lot of points but I would be begging the Sixers not to take him in the draft - he has bust written all over him.

posted on Jan 21st of this year.

Not sure what your beef against Providence is about. They are a very good team. They are not "weak". They are a top 15 or 20 team with only three losses and it's late January. They have three wins against the top 20 too. More of you trying to trod on the Big East I guess.

posted in response on Jan 21st this year

Gannon talking out of his ass again.

posted in response on Jan 22nd this year

As for Providence, I still think they blow

posted on Jan 25th after Providence knocked off nova

My own eye tells me ... Providence have a shot at a Final Eight or thereabouts.

posted on Jan 29th of this year

Providence ... would be bubble teams,

posted in response on Jan 29th

My prediction about Providence possibly being a first round exit may be off, though. ... It's possible they don't even make the tournament at that rate.

posted on Feb 8th of this year.

Who is this GannonFan guy and why is he so prescient when it comes to college basketball??? (this is when we need an emoji where the smiley face is holding the microphone out and then dropping it in derision - where can I get one of those???)

WHO IS GF? SOME GUY WITH LOW SELF ESTEEM WHO WANTS TO BAD MOUTH A TEAM WHO HAS HAD INJURIES AND A FLU BUG THAT HAS HAMPERED THEIR COMPETITIVENESS.

Not sure what you have against Providence. Weird dude.

[clenz]

Oh, Nova...

[Seahawks08]

Citation please. #9 and #7 my ass. How many of those wins come from a team like UK? I guess since one team has a better win percentage in the SEC, the entire SEC is better than the BE?

Citation? You actually need a citation for this? Man, I knew vutomcat was pretty much basketball illiterate but I thought you were more aware. Where have you been the last two years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_NCAA ... Tournament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_NCAA ... Tournament

So, just in case you can't navigate links any better than you can recall common knowledge of the past two years, the winning percentage in the NCAA tournament, by conference, for the last two years is as follows:

2014
Conference (number of total bids in parantheses), record, and winning percentage and then number of teams to make Sweet 16:

SEC(3): 12-3 .800 3 teams in Sweet 16
American (4): 9-3 .750 2 teams in Sweet 16
Big 10 (6): 10-6 .625 3 teams in Sweet 16
Pac-12 (6): 8-6 .571 3 teams in Sweet 16
ACC (6): 6-6 .500 1 team in Sweet 16
Mountain West (2): 2-2 .500 1 team in Sweet 16
Big 12 (7): 6-7 .462 2 teams in Sweet 16
Atlantic 10 (6): 4-6 .400 1 team in Sweet 16
Big East (4): 2-4 .333 0 teams in Sweet 16

2015
ACC (6): 17-5 .773 5 teams in Sweet 16 (which is funny because vutomcat had a quote early in the year that the Big East was maybe just only behind the ACC. Good stuff)
Big 10 (7): 12-7 .632 2 teams in Sweet 16
SEC (5): 6-5 .545 1 team in Sweet 16
Pac-12 (4): 8-4 .667 3 teams in Sweet 16
West Coast (2): 3-2 .600 1 team in Sweet 16
Big 12 (7): 5-7 .417 2 teams in Sweet 16
Big East (6): 5-6 .455 1 team in Sweet 16
MVC (2): 3-2 .600 1 team in Sweet 16

And man, why mocking the SEC? The new Big East would love to have done as well as they have. 2014 was just two years ago and the SEC had three (3) teams make the Sweet 16 - Tennessee, Florida, and Kentucky. Remember, that year the Big East had zero (0) teams in the Sweet 16. And then, to boot, Florida and Kentucky were both in the Final Four (for the math impaired *cough* vutomcat *cough* that's two, count them two SEC teams in the Final Four that year). But who really wants that kind of success when you can point to wins that happened before Thanksgiving?

That's lovely that you think 2 teams from the SEC going deep into a tournament makes them a better conference. Keep thinking that when you go to sleep at night. American was top heavy as well. The fact you think that the NCAA tournament is the end all be all for a conference strength shows you really are off your meds.

Seahawks08 wrote:
Gannon talking out of his ass again.

posted in response on Jan 22nd this year

Ah yes I see you love taking things out of context. Like I said before, you spin with the best of them.