NCAA Selection Show Thread

[ODUsmitty]

UNI was screwed the worst. The selection committee could have kissed the Panthers prior to f***king them.

ODU fans happy with the opponent, but 11 is a little low. Harangody v. Lee could be fun.

Va Tech got its just rewards for a terrible OOC schedule. They can rot and blame their windbag coach who, after going 1-4 vs. ODU, announced a "change in scheduling philosophy". How'd that work our for you, Seth? The only redeeming quality about Greenberg is his hot little daughter....

[ngineer]

UNI got screwed

No doubt. Even if they get past UNLV, they face Lehigh in game two. Yeeeeouch!

There, fixed it for ya!
I'm glad we got Kansas and didn't have to got to that pathetic play-in game. We will be outsized, but won't be outhustled. Our guys will play hard and hopefully our super frosh will make some people take notice of the PL.

[ngineer]

Mississippi St. should have gotten in over Florida.
Va. Tech should have gotten in over Wake F.
Temple should have been a 4-seed, Cornell an 8-seed.

I was surprised, too, that Temple was a #5 seed. I thought they might even get a #3.

[93henfan]

No doubt. Even if they get past UNLV, they face Lehigh in game two. Yeeeeouch!

There, fixed it for ya!

You know what they say: any given Thursday/Friday

[youngterrier]

Wofford got a good matchup

[ASUMountaineer]

UNI was screwed the worst. The selection committee could have kissed the Panthers prior to f***king them.

ODU fans happy with the opponent, but 11 is a little low. Harangody v. Lee could be fun.

Va Tech got its just rewards for a terrible OOC schedule. They can rot and blame their windbag coach who, after going 1-4 vs. ODU, announced a "change in scheduling philosophy". How'd that work our for you, Seth? The only redeeming quality about Greenberg is his hot little daughter....

Exactly...SG is a douchebag...PLAY SOMEBODY or quit your bitching.

[Mvemjsunpx]

4 Griz head coaches in the field.

• Wayne Tinkle - Montana (@ UM '06-present; also played at UM)
  Blaine Taylor - Old Dominion (@ UM '91-98; also played at UM)
  Stew Morrill - Utah St. (@ UM '86-91)
  Mike Montgomery - Cal (@ UM '77-86)

[kardplayer]

No doubt. Even if they get past UNLV, they face Lehigh in game two. Yeeeeouch!

There, fixed it for ya!
I'm glad we got Kansas and didn't have to got to that pathetic play-in game. We will be outsized, but won't be outhustled. Our guys will play hard and hopefully our super frosh will make some people take notice of the PL.

Kansas is only 4-2 vs. the Patriot League, including a tourny loss to Bucknell in Oklahoma City no less. Hopefully the ghosts of 2005 will jump on their backs and help out a bit...

[ASUMountaineer]

4 Griz head coaches in the field.

• Wayne Tinkle - Montana (@ UM '06-present; also played at UM)
  Blaine Taylor - Old Dominion (@ UM '91-98; also played at UM)
  Stew Morrill - Utah St. (@ UM '86-91)
  Mike Montgomery - Cal (@ UM '77-86)

[GannonFan]

How did UNI get screwed? Just because they have to play a #1 seed in the 2nd round? That's the price to play with a better seed - #9 is a pretty good seed, hard to see them being much better than a #7 seed at best, and unfornunately, the 7 through 10 seeds will play a #1 or #2 in the second round. The only way for UNI not to get "screwed" would be for them to be an #11-#14 seed, thus avoiding the #1's and #2's in the second round, but then people would be complaining about being disrespected in the seedings.

[dbackjon]

How did UNI get screwed? Just because they have to play a #1 seed in the 2nd round? That's the price to play with a better seed - #9 is a pretty good seed, hard to see them being much better than a #7 seed at best, and unfornunately, the 7 through 10 seeds will play a #1 or #2 in the second round. The only way for UNI not to get "screwed" would be for them to be an #11-#14 seed, thus avoiding the #1's and #2's in the second round, but then people would be complaining about being disrespected in the seedings.

Based on RPI, Rankings, etc, they should have been a 5 or 6 seed. 9 is a slap in the face.

[DJH]

How did UNI get screwed? Just because they have to play a #1 seed in the 2nd round? That's the price to play with a better seed - #9 is a pretty good seed, hard to see them being much better than a #7 seed at best, and unfornunately, the 7 through 10 seeds will play a #1 or #2 in the second round. The only way for UNI not to get "screwed" would be for them to be an #11-#14 seed, thus avoiding the #1's and #2's in the second round, but then people would be complaining about being disrespected in the seedings.

I realize that being a Delaware fan, you are not familiar to how the NCAA tournament works, but UNI has been ranked in the top 25 for two months and has a top 20 RPI, and is 12-2 against the top 100. There are only 3-4 teams in the country that have less losses than UNI. UNI should have been a 7 seed at worst. Instead we get a 9, with a potential matchup with the best team in the tournament in round 2, which is a huge difference between facing a 2 or 3 seed in round 2.

[GannonFan]

How did UNI get screwed? Just because they have to play a #1 seed in the 2nd round? That's the price to play with a better seed - #9 is a pretty good seed, hard to see them being much better than a #7 seed at best, and unfornunately, the 7 through 10 seeds will play a #1 or #2 in the second round. The only way for UNI not to get "screwed" would be for them to be an #11-#14 seed, thus avoiding the #1's and #2's in the second round, but then people would be complaining about being disrespected in the seedings.

I realize that being a Delaware fan, you are not familiar to how the NCAA tournament works, but UNI has been ranked in the top 25 for two months and has a top 20 RPI, and is 12-2 against the top 100. There are only 3-4 teams in the country that have less losses than UNI. UNI should have been a 7 seed at worst. Instead we get a 9, with a potential matchup with the best team in the tournament in round 2, which is a huge difference between facing a 2 or 3 seed in round 2.

Yeah, I guess being a life-long fan of Philly's Big 5 doesn't really qualify me for having any knowledge of how college basketball works, especially relative to a fan of such a b-ball powerhouse as UNI.

But come on, the MVC wasn't that strong this year (especially compared to prior years), UNI's OOC SOS was a fairly average 168 (using kenpom's SOS), and UNI's best wins were what - Siena? ODU? (both at home btw and the only 2 tournament teams UNI played this year). Decent teams, but hardly worthy of a 5 seed. At least Butler, who did get a 5, beat Ohio St (yes, sans Turner) and Xavier. But people are still questioning if Butler should be seeded that well.

But you guys would be complaining if UNI was a 7 seed because you'd have to play a #2 seed in the second round and how that would be unfair. Just win the games, stop complaining. Heck, UNLV will be the best team UNI's played all year so you may not even get to worry about Kansas.

[GannonFan]

How did UNI get screwed? Just because they have to play a #1 seed in the 2nd round? That's the price to play with a better seed - #9 is a pretty good seed, hard to see them being much better than a #7 seed at best, and unfornunately, the 7 through 10 seeds will play a #1 or #2 in the second round. The only way for UNI not to get "screwed" would be for them to be an #11-#14 seed, thus avoiding the #1's and #2's in the second round, but then people would be complaining about being disrespected in the seedings.

Based on RPI, Rankings, etc, they should have been a 5 or 6 seed. 9 is a slap in the face.

Temple should've been a #3 seed but that's how the cookie crumbles. Worry about beating UNLV - that won't be a walk in the park.

[UNI88]

I realize that being a Delaware fan, you are not familiar to how the NCAA tournament works, but UNI has been ranked in the top 25 for two months and has a top 20 RPI, and is 12-2 against the top 100. There are only 3-4 teams in the country that have less losses than UNI. UNI should have been a 7 seed at worst. Instead we get a 9, with a potential matchup with the best team in the tournament in round 2, which is a huge difference between facing a 2 or 3 seed in round 2.

Yeah, I guess being a life-long fan of Philly's Big 5 doesn't really qualify me for having any knowledge of how college basketball works, especially relative to a fan of such a b-ball powerhouse as UNI.

But come on, the MVC wasn't that strong this year (especially compared to prior years), UNI's OOC SOS was a fairly average 168 (using kenpom's SOS), and UNI's best wins were what - Siena? ODU? (both at home btw and the only 2 tournament teams UNI played this year). Decent teams, but hardly worthy of a 5 seed. At least Butler, who did get a 5, beat Ohio St (yes, sans Turner) and Xavier. But people are still questioning if Butler should be seeded that well.

But you guys would be complaining if UNI was a 7 seed because you'd have to play a #2 seed in the second round and how that would be unfair. Just win the games, stop complaining. Heck, UNLV will be the best team UNI's played all year so you may not even get to worry about Kansas.

That is how the cookie crumbles but it doesn't mean that UNI fans don't have a legitimate gripe about their seeding. The arguments about RPI and rankings are just as legitimate as arguments using strength of schedule. And all the talking heads who like to dismiss schools like UNI because of their schedule need to get their heads out of their butts. UNI beat BC, Iowa & Iowa State. In the past that wouldn't have been a good OOC run. They try and schedule tough OOC opponents but you never know when someone is going to have a bad year. The OOC schedule wasn't weak because of lack of effort it was weak because of the how things played out.

I wouldn't be complaining about a #7 seed. I would much rather play a #10 in the first round and then play a #2 in the second if we win. Heck, I wouldn't be complaining nearly as much if we had been a #9 in the South. I think we would have a much better shot against Duke than against Kansas (and I do think we have a shot against Kansas if we get to play them).

I'm sure the team is focusing on UNLV and I'm looking forward to that game. I don't know if they're the best team we will have played all year though. Sienna, ODU and Wichita State are all very good teams.

[clenz]

Based on RPI UNLV would be our 5th best win of the year.


UNI has been in the top 25 every week, except for 1 the last 2-2.5 months. RPI of 17, more top 100 wins than any team in the nation, top 5 in the nation in terms of fewest losses, only team in the nation to beat a team from the B10, B12, MWC, ACC, Sun Belt, C-USA, MAAC, Big West and MAC. The only conference, outside of the MVC UNI has lost to is the Big East (Second game of the year after 3 or 4 delays and flight changes getting to the Virgin Islands for the tourney.)

UNI is second in the nation in terms of points allowed per game. Our SOS was 112, which is respectable. The thing that probably kept us from being a 5-7 is that loss to Evansville...without our starting center/leading rebounder/scorer/shot blocker

[andy7171]

So clenzy, does your team have it in them? How many seniors in the starting line up?

[bandl]

Seems like an awful lot of bitching going on. Whatever happened to if you want to be the best, you have to play the best?

[clenz]

So clenzy, does your team have it in them? How many seniors in the starting line up?

PG is a RsJR - all tourney team captain and 1st team all conference defensive team
SG is a SR - all conference mention
WG is a SO
PF is a SR - 1st team all conference and conference POY
C is a SR - 2nd team all conference, all tourney team

off the bench in order of PT
PF - JR - back to back 6th man of the year in the conference, all defensive team
S/PF - RsFR
WG - RsJR
P/WG - true FR
P/W G - RsFR


All five starters started for us last year, and the only two that have missed starts over the last 2 years are our center (3 games to a DWI) and our WG who missed 2 starts with a rib injury in late Jan or early Feb.


We only lost one player from last years team and he was our 3rd player off of the bench.

[andy7171]

So clenzy, does your team have it in them? How many seniors in the starting line up?

PG is a RsJR - all tourney team captain and 1st team all conference defensive team
SG is a SR - all conference mention
WG is a SO
PF is a SR - 1st team all conference and conference POY
C is a SR - 2nd team all conference, all tourney team

off the bench in order of PT
PF - JR - back to back 6th man of the year in the conference, all defensive team
S/PF - RsFR
WG - RsJR
P/WG - true FR
P/W G - RsFR


All five starters started for us last year, and the only two that have missed starts over the last 2 years are our center (3 games to a DWI) and our WG who missed 2 starts with a rib injury in late Jan or early Feb.


We only lost one player from last years team and he was our 3rd player off of the bench.

Do you think they can win 2 games?

[clenz]

PG is a RsJR - all tourney team captain and 1st team all conference defensive team
SG is a SR - all conference mention
WG is a SO
PF is a SR - 1st team all conference and conference POY
C is a SR - 2nd team all conference, all tourney team

off the bench in order of PT
PF - JR - back to back 6th man of the year in the conference, all defensive team
S/PF - RsFR
WG - RsJR
P/WG - true FR
P/W G - RsFR


All five starters started for us last year, and the only two that have missed starts over the last 2 years are our center (3 games to a DWI) and our WG who missed 2 starts with a rib injury in late Jan or early Feb.


We only lost one player from last years team and he was our 3rd player off of the bench.

Do you think they can win 2 games?

Yes.


If we get by UNLV we could be quite the match up for KU. We have over 100 set plays on offense. With little to no time to prepare for that KU could, be in trouble. It would take a HUGE effort from UNI though.

[GannonFan]

If we get by UNLV we could be quite the match up for KU. We have over 100 set plays on offense. With little to no time to prepare for that KU could, be in trouble. It would take a HUGE effort from UNI though.

No offense, man, but seriously, the number of "set" plays? This isn't football, it's basketball. You still guard the guys the way you would on defense regardless of the "set" play. Sound defense is still sound defense. Sure, knowing tendencies helps a little bit, but a good defensive club will still be a good defensive club even if they've never seen film on a team and just know who the scorers are.

[clenz]

If we get by UNLV we could be quite the match up for KU. We have over 100 set plays on offense. With little to no time to prepare for that KU could, be in trouble. It would take a HUGE effort from UNI though.

No offense, man, but seriously, the number of "set" plays? This isn't football, it's basketball. You still guard the guys the way you would on defense regardless of the "set" play. Sound defense is still sound defense. Sure, knowing tendencies helps a little bit, but a good defensive club will still be a good defensive club even if they've never seen film on a team and just know who the scorers are.

When coaches in our league that see us 2-3 times a year say that planning for us is a bitch because we have so many sets to run plays out of I can see how it would be hard for a team on 1 day off

[GannonFan]

No offense, man, but seriously, the number of "set" plays? This isn't football, it's basketball. You still guard the guys the way you would on defense regardless of the "set" play. Sound defense is still sound defense. Sure, knowing tendencies helps a little bit, but a good defensive club will still be a good defensive club even if they've never seen film on a team and just know who the scorers are.

When coaches in our league that see us 2-3 times a year say that planning for us is a bitch because we have so many sets to run plays out of I can see how it would be hard for a team on 1 day off

Hey, believe what you want to believe - coaches say a lot of things that aren't necessarily true. Phil Jackson can win 10 NBA titles or so without really running set plays, just running a system. Same with Calipari, although with less titles. When it comes down to it, defensive fundamentals are still, well, fundamental.

[93henfan]

Vegas over/under on UNI wins in the tournament: 0.5