vutomcat wrote:VERY early results but so far very positive for the Big East ------18 wins 1 loss.
Butler beating UNC really caught me by surprise. Remember, BE is a "mid=major" conference, so I guess the 37-2 mark must be a fluke!vutomcat wrote:vutomcat wrote:VERY early results but so far very positive for the Big East ------18 wins 1 loss.
CRAZY GOOD START THIS YEAR! BEST OF ANY CONFERENCE.
37 wins - only 2 losses (both by Marquette)
Three top 20 wins included- VCU, MICHIGAN and Oklahoma all fall.
Of course, I probably will jinx them with this post... Hoyas in a tough one tonight with FLA Gators.
vutomcat wrote:vutomcat wrote:VERY early results but so far very positive for the Big East ------18 wins 1 loss.
CRAZY GOOD START THIS YEAR! BEST OF ANY CONFERENCE.
37 wins - only 2 losses (both by Marquette)
Three top 20 wins included- VCU, MICHIGAN and Oklahoma all fall.
Of course, I probably will jinx them with this post... Hoyas in a tough one tonight with FLA Gators.
lolwut? First, the BE sent 4 teams not 2 last year. Providence and Xavier fanbases won't be happy to read that.
Second, I wouldn't take the 3-1 odds on Butler, Creighton, or Providence making the NCAA tourney. I just don't see where those teams get the firepower to even compete with the top 5 projected teams in the BE. I would be very surprised if any of those three exceed expectations this year.
And that's great, it may get teams in, it may not, but when they underperform in the tourney that's what people look at. November basketball, especially pre-Thanksgiving basketball, is fun and yes, it still counts, but what really matters in college basketball is peaking at the right time, which in college basketball is early to mid March. That's what conferences get judged on.vutomcat wrote:Those wins will count when selection Sunday comes along. The out of conference games are very important in establishing strength of schedule and strength of conference.
Which makes zero sense when the Big East has been running through teams from those supposed "top 5" conferences. Ask UNC how it feels to be beaten by the projected 7th team in the Big East (from the coaches).GannonFan wrote:And that's great, it may get teams in, it may not, but when they underperform in the tourney that's what people look at. November basketball, especially pre-Thanksgiving basketball, is fun and yes, it still counts, but what really matters in college basketball is peaking at the right time, which in college basketball is early to mid March. That's what conferences get judged on.vutomcat wrote:Those wins will count when selection Sunday comes along. The out of conference games are very important in establishing strength of schedule and strength of conference.
Besides, even with the big start the Big East is not making a big dent in the RPI or on kenpom. Jerry Palm has Seton Hall as the highest team in the RPI at #22 (nova is at #60) and kenpom (which I like better) has nova better slotted at #8 but only three BE teams in the top 40. After the ACC, B10, B12, P12, and to a lesser extent the football-centered SEC, it's the BE and a bunch of other conferences (MWC, American, WCC, A10, MVC) slugging it out for the leftovers. And that will only be solidified further once conference play starts.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... tty-report
http://kenpom.com/
Probably about the same as it did to be beaten at home by an unranked Iowa team.Seahawks08 wrote:Which makes zero sense when the Big East has been running through teams from those supposed "top 5" conferences. Ask UNC how it feels to be beaten by the projected 7th team in the Big East (from the coaches).GannonFan wrote:
And that's great, it may get teams in, it may not, but when they underperform in the tourney that's what people look at. November basketball, especially pre-Thanksgiving basketball, is fun and yes, it still counts, but what really matters in college basketball is peaking at the right time, which in college basketball is early to mid March. That's what conferences get judged on.
Besides, even with the big start the Big East is not making a big dent in the RPI or on kenpom. Jerry Palm has Seton Hall as the highest team in the RPI at #22 (nova is at #60) and kenpom (which I like better) has nova better slotted at #8 but only three BE teams in the top 40. After the ACC, B10, B12, P12, and to a lesser extent the football-centered SEC, it's the BE and a bunch of other conferences (MWC, American, WCC, A10, MVC) slugging it out for the leftovers. And that will only be solidified further once conference play starts.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... tty-report
http://kenpom.com/
Well, that also assumes that the NCAA tourney does away with automatic bids from the smaller conferences. Since that's not likely, you can't take the top 68 teams in the kenpom and project like that. Otherwise St John's would've made it last year.Seahawks08 wrote: And I just checked kenpom. If the NCAA tourney started today, the BE would have 8/10 teams in.
Not bad.
Maybe your Providence pick is in jeopardy?vutomcat wrote:16-5 n the last week (11/19-12/6) with two of the losses to the top two teams in the country (Wisconsin and Kentucky). The only real disappointing loss was Providence to BC.
I probably jinxed them. But, way too early to tell. They played well against Kentucky and they hadn't lost yet, so I thought they might be in the mix. We'll see. Bad loss to BC though, you are right.GannonFan wrote:Maybe your Providence pick is in jeopardy?vutomcat wrote:16-5 n the last week (11/19-12/6) with two of the losses to the top two teams in the country (Wisconsin and Kentucky). The only real disappointing loss was Providence to BC.
Good win for the Johnnies, though, up in the Dome. Definitely not a good Syracuse team this year. nova could win that game in a romp in a few weeks.
They looked great in that first half against Kentucky, but then reality set in in the second half. Not a bad team, but not a good one either.vutomcat wrote:I probably jinxed them. But, way too early to tell. They played well against Kentucky and they hadn't lost yet, so I thought they might be in the mix. We'll see. Bad loss to BC though, you are right.GannonFan wrote:
Maybe your Providence pick is in jeopardy?
Good win for the Johnnies, though, up in the Dome. Definitely not a good Syracuse team this year. nova could win that game in a romp in a few weeks.
GannonFan wrote:They looked great in that first half against Kentucky, but then reality set in in the second half. Not a bad team, but not a good one either.vutomcat wrote:
I probably jinxed them. But, way too early to tell. They played well against Kentucky and they hadn't lost yet, so I thought they might be in the mix. We'll see. Bad loss to BC though, you are right.
Will find out a lot about Seton Hall with tomorrow's game against Wichita St.
The gap between nova and the rest of the league is just huge though. After nova, the rest of the league will be scrambling to just make the tourney, and could be like last year and see bad seeds and play-in games.
Saw that Arizona/Gonzaga game this weekend - both teams looked fantastic - tons of athleticism. Kentucky is fabulous, Duke is really good this year, same with Louisville, and throw in 'Zona as well along with Wisconsin. That's going to be a tough top 5 to crack, during the season and in the tourney.
Sagarin? Who uses Sagarin for basketball? I don't even think Jeff Sagarin uses his own system for basketball.vutomcat wrote:GannonFan wrote:
They looked great in that first half against Kentucky, but then reality set in in the second half. Not a bad team, but not a good one either.
Will find out a lot about Seton Hall with tomorrow's game against Wichita St.
The gap between nova and the rest of the league is just huge though. After nova, the rest of the league will be scrambling to just make the tourney, and could be like last year and see bad seeds and play-in games.
Saw that Arizona/Gonzaga game this weekend - both teams looked fantastic - tons of athleticism. Kentucky is fabulous, Duke is really good this year, same with Louisville, and throw in 'Zona as well along with Wisconsin. That's going to be a tough top 5 to crack, during the season and in the tourney.
Just when I thought you were seeing the light. Long season and lots of games to be played to get too worked up about this but based on the results to date, you are incorrect. Sagarin would have 6 teams as LOCKS for the tourney. Seton Hall would be the 6th team in at #39. All five others are lower-12,21,22,29 and 35.
Right now they are ranked as the second toughest conference behind only the BIG 12.
Kenpom has 6 teams in as well and Creighton as the first team out. Your choice! I'm ok with that.GannonFan wrote:Sagarin? Who uses Sagarin for basketball? I don't even think Jeff Sagarin uses his own system for basketball.vutomcat wrote:
Just when I thought you were seeing the light. Long season and lots of games to be played to get too worked up about this but based on the results to date, you are incorrect. Sagarin would have 6 teams as LOCKS for the tourney. Seton Hall would be the 6th team in at #39. All five others are lower-12,21,22,29 and 35.
Right now they are ranked as the second toughest conference behind only the BIG 12.
RPI is better, as is kenpom. RPI has Seton Hall as the highest Big East team and they're at #25. Kenpom, which I think is better, has nova where they should be (#6 - has them ahead of Arizona, which I would disagree with, but still behind UVA, which I can agree with - UVA is likely the second best ACC team). Some teams in the Big East just fade away though. St. John's has a January game against Duke but that's it in terms of OOC quality games. Same with Seton Hall - heck, the game against Wichita St is it for the Pirates this year. This is where nova is hurt by the Big East - just not enough top quality, glamor games. The top Big 10 or ACC or Big 12 teams will play 4-6 big games in conference. nova, not so much. It hurt them last year come tourney time and it could come back to bite them again. One big dog does not a conference make.
And that will be answered in March. Everything that happens before then is just for fun. It's college basketball, the regular season is meaningless.vutomcat wrote: Like it or not, this year's version of the Big East appears way ahead of last years.
. dbackjon wrote:vutomcat wrote:Lunardi has 8 of the 10 in his bracket.
seven of 10
tribe_pride wrote:The 8 (though he has not updated that in the bracketology which is what dback saw) is because DePaul leads the Big East right now as the only 3-0 team so are automatically put in to the tourney. DePaul will not be making the tournament but by the way he does the bracketology, he has to put them in as the conference champ
