THE BIG EAST CONFERENCE

[vutomcat]

And my replies:

and the hits keep coming from GF...

"Providence is a fraud" They are "weak". ( top 10 team)

Yup, I still think they're a fraud. A team like Providence benefits most from the lack of depth in the Big East. They'd be a bubble team in the old Big East. Even nova has a better shot at the Sweet Sixteen (note, I didn't say the Final Four, I know you have trouble differentiating between the two) than Providence does

"UNC and UCLA are not elite programs, Tomcat is stuck in the 70's" (no need for comment)

Nope, that's a made up quote, you can't show me anywhere where I said that UNC was not an elite program. Shame on you, making up imaginary quotes to support your argument. I do stand by the idea that UCLA is not elite anymore because I was referring to the past 7 years. You, of course, through we were talking about the past 70 years, hence your senility, er, I mean confusion

"Sadly it looks like nova's going to be fairly untested again throughout the regular season" ( Nova SOS #9)

No argument here, I still think they are untested. They had supposedly great SOS in the past two years. How'd that work out?

" I still like Xavier's chances to make a deep run" ( which is it? X men are really good or Nova will be untested after playing them two or three times? )

Super, they'll play a good team two or three times. What are they going to do the rest of the regular season to avoid bowing out early again in the NCAA's?

"As for Providence, I still think they blow" ( after they beat Nova.)

See, this is the type of game that should scare you as a nova fan. Providence isn't even that good and they were able to score way too easily late in that ballgame. nova, outside of Hart's ability to penetrate, was just launching three after three. That's a good formula to lose early again in the tourney - bad defense and desperate shooting.

"I think Arcidiacono is a fine support player" ( CO-Big East player of the year last year)

Still don't like his game. I don't think he plays defense well enough and he's a spot shooter from behind the arc. But he'll put up a lot of points against the Big East and he'll be rewarded. It would be nice if he could show up in the NCAA's, that could be helpful.

"only the Georgetown game has enough juice and opposing fanbase to make the Wells Fargo feel filled enough" ( Nova fills the Wells Fargo every game to near capacity).

nova's attendance in the last 4 games at Wells Fargo - 7191, 19161, 20587, 13313. Tell me, is the Wells Fargo Center inflatable and that's why the capacity seems to jump from 8k to 21k depending on when nova's playing? That's the only way those numbers could all (since you said every game) be near capacity.

"Oklahoma and UVA might be the only good, tough teams they see until they see someone in March" ( again, SOS #9 and Nova will play at least 5 games against X and Friars)

I stand by that. We've already discussed Providence, and I think Xavier is good. Tell me, how did things turn out with the OK and UVA games? Looks an awful lot like that NC State game last March, don't you think?

"I'm tempted to throw Iowa St in there but they never seem to be able to put it together come tournament time, not unlike nova" ( Nova never puts it together at tournament time- 47 wins say otherwise)

Let's play Jeopardy with this one - "Alex, I'll take villanova basketball lore for $400" - "The answer is, this is how many wins has the villanova basketball program had since they're last successful run in the tournament in 2009? - yes, go ahead Gannon" "Thanks Alex, the answer is three (3)" 'Correct!"

"you better hope I was right before and that Xavier pulls it together and makes a run. They might be the only team playing after the first weekend of the tournament given how the rest of the Big East looks right now. ( The Big East has two other teams in the top 10)

Yes, I know, and again, Xavier is the Big East's best hope to have a team playing past the first weekend of the tournament.[/

Copy and pasting again. If you repeat the same drivel it doesn't make it right.

[Seahawks08]

Are...are you serious? Holy ****.

You need to watch more college bball clearly. There is no way in hell any of those teams besides OU and MAYBE Iowa and UNC could be considered great teams. Xavier and Nova are two of the best teams in the country and yet you can't put them in the same conversation as Purdue and Miami? Wow, talk about your bias showing.

You're a homer too. Are either of you related to Ryan Fannon because the homerism is just remarkably similar.

So you are going to call me out without supporting it with anything?

I'll even add another stat for you to support my argument of nova being one of the best teams in the nation regardless of "homerism". You stated nova wasn't tested enough because the Big East isn't good enough apparently (despite being arguably the 2nd best conference in the country). Then they lose to the the 16th ranked team in the country (who is 17-4). So that doesn't count as being tested? Should they lose to teams like Depaul instead?

And another stat, according to kenpom, nova is ranked 9th defensively in the nation. So not only is their SoS high, but they have a top 10 defense and a top 15 offense. But they are only a good team with teams like Miami who have worse stats than nova across the board are better.

Haters gonna hate.

[GannonFan]

You're a homer too. Are either of you related to Ryan Fannon because the homerism is just remarkably similar.

So you are going to call me out without supporting it with anything?

I'll even add another stat for you to support my argument of nova being one of the best teams in the nation regardless of "homerism". You stated nova wasn't tested enough because the Big East isn't good enough apparently (despite being arguably the 2nd best conference in the country). Then they lose to the the 16th ranked team in the country (who is 17-4). So that doesn't count as being tested? Should they lose to teams like Depaul instead?

And another stat, according to kenpom, nova is ranked 9th defensively in the nation. So not only is their SoS high, but they have a top 10 defense and a top 15 offense. But they are only a good team with teams like Miami who have worse stats than nova across the board are better.

Haters gonna hate.

nova had a top ranked defense and a top ranked offense last year too, also according to kenpom, and it did little to help them in the postseason when they ran into an NC State team they just could handle defensively. Same thing happened the year before that with an arguably better UConn team (again a team they used to play often in the regular season). Stats are great, but tell me again, what's the Big East record in the NCAA's where things really matter?

[vutomcat]

KenPom currently ranks 7 BE teams in top 50. The BE tournament should be a bloodbath this year.

[GannonFan]

You're a homer too. Are either of you related to Ryan Fannon because the homerism is just remarkably similar.

Name calling now gf? Come on. But, I guess for someone who can only remember from 2009 forward that makes sense.

Nonsense, I can remember pretty far back too. However, I actually realize the inanity on your part of reaching back to the distant past (and since the 47 wins in the NCAA tournament you quote dates back to FDR that almost by definition makes you silly) when trying to critique the current build of the nova basketball team. And it's amazing that with your extensive view of history that you see nothing wrong with no (that is, zero) Sweet Sixteen appearances in 7 years despite being, as you call them, elite. That's what happens when you fondly remember the type of macaroni Rollie would have on Sunday nights rather than what's been happening in the recent past.

[GannonFan]

KenPom currently ranks 7 BE teams in top 50. The BE tournament should be a bloodbath this year.

You guys are just mining kenpom for data you like, while ignoring the big picture. I've always said that the problem with the new Big East is that there isn't a high enough concentration of really good teams, if you want to say elite that's fine, at the very top of the conference. The old Big East had that in spades - there were always 4-5 teams in the top 20 (a real top 20 like kenpom, not the voted one) and they would fight it out over the season and make themselves better, resulting in good NCAA tournament performances. In the new Big East, it's been nova and maybe one other team. While nova has been good, they don't get better during the year because they aren't seeing the same level of competition that the elite teams in other conferences do and in a regular enough timeframe.

So let's look at Kenpom again, and let's look at the concentration near the top. Forget the top 50, a team in kenpom that's 40 and up is in danger of not making the tournament - they're bubble teams, not elite teams. Let's look at the top 10 and then the top 20.

Big 12 - Teams in the top 10: 3
Teams in the top 20: 4

Big 10 - Teams in the top 10: 1
Teams in the top 20: 4

ACC - Teams in the top 10: 4
Teams in the top 20: 5

Big East - Teams in the top 10: 1
Teams in the top 20: 1

That means that, once again, nova, who is a pretty good team, doesn't turn into a great team by March because they spend the winter not playing top notch teams week in and week out. Heck, they play Xavier maybe three times this year, stretching from December when they first played them to March when they could possibly play them a third time. That's just not enough and not frequent enough. And they play most of the OOC schedule in November an early December, so while they may play good teams then (and they did this year losing to OK and UVA), it's almost another season by the time March rolls around.

Oh, and apparently kenpom feels the same way I do about Providence - despite Providence being a top 10 team in the polls, something you guys seem to get giddy about, kenpom has Providence buried at #42, one spot ahead of Ark-Little Rock. Maybe you guys should write kenpom and tell him how he's wrong about that. Kenpom's probably a hater too.

[vutomcat]

Delaware is 262.

[vutomcat]

KenPom currently ranks 7 BE teams in top 50. The BE tournament should be a bloodbath this year.

You guys are just mining kenpom for data you like, while ignoring the big picture. I've always said that the problem with the new Big East is that there isn't a high enough concentration of really good teams, if you want to say elite that's fine, at the very top of the conference. The old Big East had that in spades - there were always 4-5 teams in the top 20 (a real top 20 like kenpom, not the voted one) and they would fight it out over the season and make themselves better, resulting in good NCAA tournament performances. In the new Big East, it's been nova and maybe one other team. While nova has been good, they don't get better during the year because they aren't seeing the same level of competition that the elite teams in other conferences do and in a regular enough timeframe.

So let's look at Kenpom again, and let's look at the concentration near the top. Forget the top 50, a team in kenpom that's 40 and up is in danger of not making the tournament - they're bubble teams, not elite teams. Let's look at the top 10 and then the top 20.

Big 12 - Teams in the top 10: 3
Teams in the top 20: 4

Big 10 - Teams in the top 10: 1
Teams in the top 20: 4

ACC - Teams in the top 10: 4
Teams in the top 20: 5

Big East - Teams in the top 10: 1
Teams in the top 20: 1

That means that, once again, nova, who is a pretty good team, doesn't turn into a great team by March because they spend the winter not playing top notch teams week in and week out. Heck, they play Xavier maybe three times this year, stretching from December when they first played them to March when they could possibly play them a third time. That's just not enough and not frequent enough. And they play most of the OOC schedule in November an early December, so while they may play good teams then (and they did this year losing to OK and UVA), it's almost another season by the time March rolls around.

Oh, and apparently kenpom feels the same way I do about Providence - despite Providence being a top 10 team in the polls, something you guys seem to get giddy about, kenpom has Providence buried at #42, one spot ahead of Ark-Little Rock. Maybe you guys should write kenpom and tell him how he's wrong about that. Kenpom's probably a hater too.

Wichita State, VCU and Butler have all been in the Final Four in the last 5 years playing much weaker schedules.

[89Hen]

Delaware is 262.

Holy white flag batman.

[bandl]

Holy shit, vutomcat's almost got 89 in his sights now! Keep at it man, you'll have both 89 and GF bowing to Villy in just another couple hundred posts!!!!

[vutomcat]

Holy ****, vutomcat's almost got 89 in his sights now! Keep at it man, you'll have both 89 and GF bowing to Villy in just another couple hundred posts!!!!

I won't hold my breath. Just having fun here.

[89Hen]

Meh, I really don't care about basketball anyway, but villanova stinks on ice, so does the Big East.

[bandl]

Holy ****, vutomcat's almost got 89 in his sights now! Keep at it man, you'll have both 89 and GF bowing to Villy in just another couple hundred posts!!!!

I won't hold my breath. Just having fun here.

NOOOOO!!!!!! Don't give up! You're so close!
GF is a softy. None of his opinions hold any water. He can be easily swayed.

[bandl]

Holy ****, vutomcat's almost got 89 in his sights now! Keep at it man, you'll have both 89 and GF bowing to Villy in just another couple hundred posts!!!!

I won't hold my breath. Just having fun here.

NOOOOO!!!!!! Don't give up! You're so close!
GF is a softy. None of his opinions hold any water. He can be easily swayed.

Edit: FUCK YOU, DOUBLE-POSTING WEBSITE

[vutomcat]

Name calling now gf? Come on. But, I guess for someone who can only remember from 2009 forward that makes sense.

Nonsense, I can remember pretty far back too. However, I actually realize the inanity on your part of reaching back to the distant past (and since the 47 wins in the NCAA tournament you quote dates back to FDR that almost by definition makes you silly) when trying to critique the current build of the nova basketball team. And it's amazing that with your extensive view of history that you see nothing wrong with no (that is, zero) Sweet Sixteen appearances in 7 years despite being, as you call them, elite. That's what happens when you fondly remember the type of macaroni Rollie would have on Sunday nights rather than what's been happening in the recent past.

But not really. Because you would know by anyone's standards other than your own Nova's tournament history is very good. It's my turn to copy and paste. Let's look at how Nova has done since 2005.

2009 4-1 Defeated UCLA in second round, 89-69
Defeated Duke in regional semifinal, 77-54
Lost to North Carolina in National Semifinal, 83-69
2008 2-1 Lost to Kansas in regional semifinal, 72-57
2007 0-1 Lost to Kentucky in first round, 67-58
2006 3-1 Defeated Boston College in regional semifinal, 60-59
Lost to Florida in regional final, 75-62
2005 2-1 Defeated Florida in second round, 76-65
Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 67-66


Is that recent enough for you?

[vutomcat]

Nonsense, I can remember pretty far back too. However, I actually realize the inanity on your part of reaching back to the distant past (and since the 47 wins in the NCAA tournament you quote dates back to FDR that almost by definition makes you silly) when trying to critique the current build of the nova basketball team. And it's amazing that with your extensive view of history that you see nothing wrong with no (that is, zero) Sweet Sixteen appearances in 7 years despite being, as you call them, elite. That's what happens when you fondly remember the type of macaroni Rollie would have on Sunday nights rather than what's been happening in the recent past.

But not really. Because you would know by anyone's standards other than your own Nova's tournament history is very good. It's my turn to copy and paste. Let's look at how Nova has done this decade.

2009 4-1 Defeated UCLA in second round, 89-69
Defeated Duke in regional semifinal, 77-54
Lost to North Carolina in National Semifinal, 83-69
2008 2-1 Lost to Kansas in regional semifinal, 72-57
2007 0-1 Lost to Kentucky in first round, 67-58
2006 3-1 Defeated Boston College in regional semifinal, 60-59
Lost to Florida in regional final, 75-62
2005 2-1 Defeated Florida in second round, 76-65
Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 67-66


Is that recent enough for you?

And here's another Jeopardy question for you- name the starting guards for the NBA All Star game?

[89Hen]

Let's look at how Nova has done this decade.

2009 4-1 Defeated UCLA in second round, 89-69
Defeated Duke in regional semifinal, 77-54
Lost to North Carolina in National Semifinal, 83-69
2008 2-1 Lost to Kansas in regional semifinal, 72-57
2007 0-1 Lost to Kentucky in first round, 67-58
2006 3-1 Defeated Boston College in regional semifinal, 60-59
Lost to Florida in regional final, 75-62
2005 2-1 Defeated Florida in second round, 76-65
Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 67-66


Is that recent enough for you?

This decade apparently ended six years ago. villanova is not an elite.

[vutomcat]

Let's look at how Nova has done this decade.

2009 4-1 Defeated UCLA in second round, 89-69
Defeated Duke in regional semifinal, 77-54
Lost to North Carolina in National Semifinal, 83-69
2008 2-1 Lost to Kansas in regional semifinal, 72-57
2007 0-1 Lost to Kentucky in first round, 67-58
2006 3-1 Defeated Boston College in regional semifinal, 60-59
Lost to Florida in regional final, 75-62
2005 2-1 Defeated Florida in second round, 76-65
Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 67-66


Is that recent enough for you?

This decade apparently ended six years ago. villanova is not an elite.

Smartass.

[89Hen]

This decade apparently ended six years ago. villanova is not an elite.

Smartass.

Your parents overpaid for your education.

[vutomcat]

Let's look at how Nova has done this decade.

2009 4-1 Defeated UCLA in second round, 89-69
Defeated Duke in regional semifinal, 77-54
Lost to North Carolina in National Semifinal, 83-69
2008 2-1 Lost to Kansas in regional semifinal, 72-57
2007 0-1 Lost to Kentucky in first round, 67-58
2006 3-1 Defeated Boston College in regional semifinal, 60-59
Lost to Florida in regional final, 75-62
2005 2-1 Defeated Florida in second round, 76-65
Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 67-66


Is that recent enough for you?

This decade apparently ended six years ago. villanova is not an elite.

Yes we are. I found this post on the Internet so it has to be true.

There is a very elitist attitude, especially with extracurricular like service groups and very visible school organizations. The same kids run everything and if you don't fit into that "ideal Villanovan" image, they won't accept you, regardless of how qualified you are.

[vutomcat]

Smartass.

Your parents overpaid for your education.

Smartass

[89Hen]

This decade apparently ended six years ago. villanova is not an elite.

Yes we are. I found this post on the Internet so it has to be true.

There is a very elitist attitude, especially with extracurricular like service groups and very visible school organizations. The same kids run everything and if you don't fit into that "ideal Villanovan" image, they won't accept you, regardless of how qualified you are.

Good to know. 89Jr got into villanova, but based on your report... he won't be enrolling.

[GannonFan]

This decade apparently ended six years ago. villanova is not an elite.

Yes we are. I found this post on the Internet so it has to be true.

There is a very elitist attitude, especially with extracurricular like service groups and very visible school organizations. The same kids run everything and if you don't fit into that "ideal Villanovan" image, they won't accept you, regardless of how qualified you are.

My wife is a nova grad and she agrees, there are a lot of elitist snobs at villanova. Not her of course.

[GannonFan]

Delaware is 262.

Delaware plays basketball? There's no proof of that, I declare shenanigans.

[vutomcat]

Yes we are. I found this post on the Internet so it has to be true.

There is a very elitist attitude, especially with extracurricular like service groups and very visible school organizations. The same kids run everything and if you don't fit into that "ideal Villanovan" image, they won't accept you, regardless of how qualified you are.

Good to know. 89Jr got into villanova, but based on your report... he won't be enrolling.

Congratulations. I wouldn't stop him from attending based on that though. It's not for everyone, but he will get an excellent education. A lot depends on what he wants to do as I am sure you know. Good luck.