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Two-time champion Syracuse headlines the 2011 NIT Season Tip-Off field, announced today by NIT selection committee chair C.M. Newton. The 27th annual tournament will also feature Albany (America East), Arkansas-Pine Bluff (SWAC), Brown (Ivy), Colorado State (Mountain West), Florida International (Sun Belt), Fresno State (WAC), George Mason (Colonial), Manhattan (MAAC), Monmouth (Northeast), Oklahoma State (Big 12), Oral Roberts (Summit), SMU (Conference USA), Stanford (Pac-12), Texas-San Antonio (Southland) and Virginia Tech (ACC).

The first- and second-round doubleheaders will be played Nov. 14-16 on the campuses of the four highest seeds --
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma State
Stanford

The winners of the preliminary rounds advance to the semifinals, which take place in New York City’s Madison Square Garden Nov. 23. The consolation and championship games will be played Nov. 25.

NIT Season Tip-Off 2011 Bracket (http://www.ncaa.com/content/2011-nit-se ... -bracket-1)

Oral Roberts?!?

UOP would have been a MUCH better choice.

SuperHornet wrote:Oral Roberts?!?

UOP would have been a MUCH better choice.

Really? You do realize that ORU finished last season about 70 spots higher in the RPI last season than UOP, and over .500, something UOP didn't do.


Do you ever get tired of talking from your ass?

I'm ok with having Oral Roberts in Dick's Tip-Off...

clenz wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:Oral Roberts?!?

UOP would have been a MUCH better choice.

Really? You do realize that ORU finished last season about 70 spots higher in the RPI last season than UOP, and over .500, something UOP didn't do.


Do you ever get tired of talking from your ass?

Didn't your mother ever tell you that if you didn't have anything nice to say, you would be better off not saying anything?

grizzaholic wrote:

clenz wrote: Really? You do realize that ORU finished last season about 70 spots higher in the RPI last season than UOP, and over .500, something UOP didn't do.


Do you ever get tired of talking from your ass?

Didn't your mother ever tell you that if you didn't have anything nice to say, you would be better off not saying anything?

She also said not to speak on matters unless you know what your talking about, re: not talking from your ass

clenz wrote:

grizzaholic wrote:


Didn't your mother ever tell you that if you didn't have anything nice to say, you would be better off not saying anything?

She also said not to speak on matters unless you know what your talking about, re: not talking from your ass

So, two wrongs make a right? Might want to heed your mom's advice and say only nice things.

Ignoring grizza's attempt at whatever he is doing, I'll delve further into the ORU/UOP debate

2010-2011:
ORU: 19-15 170 RPI
UOP: 14-15 190 RPI


Returning players:
ORU appears to be returning 8 of their top 10 players

UOP is losing 5 of their top 6, and will have just two players who saw any real PT last year....Oh, and they only had an 11 man roster

What does this mean?

It means UOP is losing:
73% of it's scoring
77% of it's rebounds
83% blocks
65% steals
90% assists.

On the flip side, ORU brings back:
87% of it's scoring
83% of it's rebounds
97% of it's blocks
85% of it's steals
80% of it's assists


What does that all mean? Well after some rough calculations it means UOP is LOSING about 77% of it's stats from last year, and ORU is RETURNING about 86% it's stats from last season.

Couple that with the fact that UOP is bringing just two players back who saw any thing more than scrub time PT last season and you can easily see why ORU is a much better pick for the tip-off.....oh, and the fact that almost no one outside of the Great West Conference has heard of UOP, and ORU is a pretty solid mid-major basketball name, along with the fact that the Summit finished 5 spots higher in conference RPI last season (which means ORU played against much tougher competition all season long), and what the teams bring back this season., it becomes clear.


Do you still think UOP would have been a better choice?

I think we can all agree Montana would be a better choice than either of those teams.

clenz wrote:Do you still think UOP would have been a better choice?

Yes. I have ultimate faith in Bob Thomason as a coach. Besides, he's been doing some fairly good JC recruiting since last season. Historically, he's done quite well with that.

Rob Iola wrote:I'm ok with having Oral Roberts in Dick's Tip-Off...

SuperHornet wrote:

clenz wrote:Do you still think UOP would have been a better choice?

Yes. I have ultimate faith in Bob Thomason as a coach. Besides, he's been doing some fairly good JC recruiting since last season. Historically, he's done quite well with that.

Rob Iola wrote:I'm ok with having Oral Roberts in Dick's Tip-Off...

So...the Dick's NIT Tip Off can go with a team with 2 players with experience, a roster size of about 10, and finished last season terribly bad.....

OR

A team that brings everybody back, has a national name, has been in the NCAA's, and would actually be a good draw/matchup/one of the biggest name teams in the tourney.

How Virginia Tech is rated higher than George Mason is also a blatant case of BCS homerism.

Last year, VA Tech was the 5th best team in Virginia behind UR (sweet 16), ODU (NCAA, CAA tourney champs), VCU (Final FOur), and Mason (CAA regular season champs, NCAA 2nd round).

George Mason was ranked in top-25 last year and returns the majority this year. Va Tech was "snubbed?" yet again from the tourney with its lower RPI than any of the other Virginia schools listed and a dreadfully-weak OOC schedule.

How Tech gets the Top Billing is beyond anyone who understands college basketball, particularly in Virginia. After a 2-5 record vs ODU in recent games, Tech cancelled the series and has literally hidden from the CAA/A-10 power schools in search of OOC patsies that have only allowed that douchebag Seth Greenberg to annually whine about how his squad is deserving of an at-large bid after OOC RPI's in the upper 200's.

Screw the Hokies and screw Greenberg. The only thing that moron has done right is to breed a pretty hot daughter, but I am sure she is bat-ass crazy like her old man, Uncle Fester. I am no George Mason man, but I will root for them like crazy to literally embarass that piece of shit who pontificates down in Blacksburg.

Oh, and for the record, over the last 10 years the CAA is an impressive 10-3 vs the ACC/Big East in the NCAA tourney, with all but one of those games having the CAA teams a LOWER seed (2011 GMU#8/Nova#9). Bite me, BCS.

Clearly clenz knows NOTHING about Bob Thomason. He gets more out of little than most coaches. He's had ten or eleven guys before. Heck, remember that the schollie limit is only 13. Much of his recruiting class (which clenz forgets isn't finished yet) involves juco players. Juco is NOT the same thing as HS, and anyone who says different doesn't know what they're talking about. So it's not D-I? Ever stop to think that some of these JC kids just MIGHT be 4-2-4 kids?

SuperHornet wrote:Clearly clenz knows NOTHING about Bob Thomason. He gets more out of little than most coaches. He's had ten or eleven guys before. Heck, remember that the schollie limit is only 13. Much of his recruiting class (which clenz forgets isn't finished yet) involves juco players. Juco is NOT the same thing as HS, and anyone who says different doesn't know what they're talking about. So it's not D-I? Ever stop to think that some of these JC kids just MIGHT be 4-2-4 kids?

Wait....The signing period for this coming season was last November, with the "spring" period running in April, maybe part of May, and UOP hasn't filled it's roster yet?

Classes start in a month. Any JUCO worth a damn has been signed already.

The scholarship size may be 13, but that isn't the cap for the roster size. UNI has 16 on the roster for next season. The average roster size of teams in the MVC is 15. UOP can barely go 5-5 in practice.

I'm not concerned that UOP only has, at this point 12 players on their roster for next season (only two with any experience). Clearly Dick's Sporting Goods Preseason NIT committee was.

I predict, quote/save/screenshot/whatever you want too this post, that UOP will finish under .500 again this season and won't make any post season tournament outside of the Big West tournament (if the BWC has a conference tournament)


ORU was clearly the best choice. Go with the proven team.


I'd also be very wary of a program that builds itself on JUCO only recruits that don't sign until the next school season starts.

clenz wrote:

SuperHornet wrote:I predict, quote/save/screenshot/whatever you want too this post, that UOP will finish under .500 again this season and won't make any post season tournament outside of the Big West tournament (if the BWC has a conference tournament)

IF?!? You REALLY don't care to do any research, do you? UOP has a history of not only doing well in the BWCT (held in Anaheim for the last 15-20 years, moved last year to The Pond from the Anaheim Convention Center), but doing some damage in other tournaments. This is a school that took out two out of three (and was VERY close to getting the third) Big East teams in the first round of the NCAAs. UOP doesn't always get the names, but they HAVE had an NBA #1 draft pick. (He bombed in the NBA, but everyone knows what a crapshoot that is.) UOP has OUTSTANDING success with JC transfers. Don't knock it.

JayBilasBitesPillows wrote:How Virginia Tech is rated higher than George Mason is also a blatant case of BCS homerism.

Last year, VA Tech was the 5th best team in Virginia behind UR (sweet 16), ODU (NCAA, CAA tourney champs), VCU (Final FOur), and Mason (CAA regular season champs, NCAA 2nd round).

George Mason was ranked in top-25 last year and returns the majority this year. Va Tech was "snubbed?" yet again from the tourney with its lower RPI than any of the other Virginia schools listed and a **** OOC schedule.

How Tech gets the Top Billing is beyond anyone who understands college basketball, particularly in Virginia. After a 2-5 record vs ODU in recent games, Tech cancelled the series and has literally hidden from the CAA/A-10 power schools in search of OOC patsies that have only allowed that douchebag Seth Greenberg to annually whine about how his squad is deserving of an at-large bid after OOC RPI's in the upper 200's.

Screw the Hokies and screw Greenberg. The only thing that moron has done right is to breed a pretty hot daughter, but I am sure she is bat-ass crazy like her old man, Uncle Fester. I am no George Mason man, but I will root for them like crazy to literally embarass that piece of **** who pontificates down in Blacksburg.

Oh, and for the record, over the last 10 years the CAA is an impressive 10-3 vs the ACC/Big East in the NCAA tourney, with all but one of those games having the CAA teams a LOWER seed (2011 GMU#8/Nova#9). Bite me, BCS.

THEY DID THE SAME THING LAST YEAR WITH WAKE
VCU went to Winston-Salem and stomped a mudhole into them
So I hope GMU gets to go to Blacksburg