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Thank god...i was hoping the mvc would find a way out of that fuck ass thing

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I liked them, it was a good way for teams like Weber to get some good teams to the Dee, and like in last year's case some exposure.

Oh well though.

Wildcat Ryan wrote:I liked them, it was a good way for teams like Weber to get some good teams to the Dee, and like in last year's case some exposure.

Oh well though.

It started good...when it was 16 teams, all on TV. The top teams.


Now there is like 122 teams, only 8 TV games, and they don't mean jack fucking shit.


Terrible shitty thing for good teams from good conferences. The low major conferences really seemed to like it though.

clenz wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:I liked them, it was a good way for teams like Weber to get some good teams to the Dee, and like in last year's case some exposure.

Oh well though.

It started good...when it was 16 teams, all on TV. The top teams.


Now there is like 122 teams, only 8 TV games, and they don't mean jack **** ****.


Terrible shitty thing for good teams from good conferences. The low major conferences really seemed to like it though.

yeah not a whole lot of credibility to a program that allows Idaho State to participate.......................sorry Bengals fans

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

clenz wrote: It started good...when it was 16 teams, all on TV. The top teams.


Now there is like 122 teams, only 8 TV games, and they don't mean jack **** ****.


Terrible shitty thing for good teams from good conferences. The low major conferences really seemed to like it though.

yeah not a whole lot of credibility to a program that allows Idaho State to participate.......................sorry Bengals fans

Look at it from the perspective of teams like Northern Iowa, Creighton, Wichita State, Illinois State, George Mason, VCU, ODU, etc... We get the TV games, and they get us good games. HOWEVER, if we win it becomes a "well, yeah but it was a w in over a mid-major" if we lose it's "Look at that, you can't even beat them, how in the world would you beat the teams in the NCAAs?".

UNI is a home team this year...right now the best road team is Detroit Mercy....WHAT THE LIVING FUCK?!?!?!


I agree, it's a great thing for teams in the low-major conferences that will only get 1 bid. Gets them a good game that might be on TV late at night.


Teams from the "high-mid-major" conferences hate it. That's why the A10 wasn't in it, the CAA pulled out, the MVC is ecstatic to see it go, Butler, St. Mary's, BYU, etc... didn't play in it (though their conferences did)

clenz wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

yeah not a whole lot of credibility to a program that allows Idaho State to participate.......................sorry Bengals fans

Look at it from the perspective of teams like Northern Iowa, Creighton, Wichita State, Illinois State, George Mason, VCU, ODU, etc... We get the TV games, and they get us good games. HOWEVER, if we win it becomes a "well, yeah but it was a w in over a mid-major" if we lose it's "Look at that, you can't even beat them, how in the world would you beat the teams in the NCAAs?".

UNI is a home team this year...right now the best road team is Detroit Mercy....WHAT THE LIVING ****?!?!?!


I agree, it's a great thing for teams in the low-major conferences that will only get 1 bid. Gets them a good game that might be on TV late at night.


Teams from the "high-mid-major" conferences hate it. That's why the A10 wasn't in it, the CAA pulled out, the MVC is ecstatic to see it go, Butler, St. Mary's, BYU, etc... didn't play in it (though their conferences did)

Yeah, from that point of view I can totally understand why a lot of teams like yours would like it discontinued.

Hey Weber is a road team this year, maybe Weber can have a great season and play at UNI

clenz wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:

yeah not a whole lot of credibility to a program that allows Idaho State to participate.......................sorry Bengals fans

Look at it from the perspective of teams like Northern Iowa, Creighton, Wichita State, Illinois State, George Mason, VCU, ODU, etc... We get the TV games, and they get us good games. HOWEVER, if we win it becomes a "well, yeah but it was a w in over a mid-major" if we lose it's "Look at that, you can't even beat them, how in the world would you beat the teams in the NCAAs?".

UNI is a home team this year...right now the best road team is Detroit Mercy....WHAT THE LIVING ****?!?!?!


I agree, it's a great thing for teams in the low-major conferences that will only get 1 bid. Gets them a good game that might be on TV late at night.


Teams from the "high-mid-major" conferences hate it. That's why the A10 wasn't in it, the CAA pulled out, the MVC is ecstatic to see it go, Butler, St. Mary's, BYU, etc... didn't play in it (though their conferences did)

Of course - it's the same idea of why the big conferences never liked to play mid majors. The best mid majors in this (the CAA and the MVC) had the most to lose, while the lower mid major teams could look to a win against a team from those conferences as a way to move up RPI-wise. That's why the A10 never participated - why would they risk their RPI-cachet for little return when they could be helping teams steal bids from them in March Madness?

The CAA and MVC are better than the WCC?

SuperHornet wrote:The CAA and MVC are better than the WCC?

I know you are, clenz.

I don't believe for a minute that NDSU can beat Gonzaga, or any of the other top half teams in the WCC. Heck, they can't even beat the team that's joining the WCC next year.

SuperHornet wrote:I know you are, clenz.

I don't believe for a minute that NDSU can beat Gonzaga, or any of the other top half teams in the WCC. Heck, they can't even beat the team that's joining the WCC next year.

Good thing that NDSU isn't int he MVC.


Holy shit, are you really that fucking stupid?

Conference finish in RPI

12-13 MVC 9 WCC 10 CAA 15(MVC up by over a full point) current standings (CAA ain't what she used to be)
11-12 MVC 8 WCC 11 CAA 15 (CAA ain't what she used to be)
10-11 CAA 10 MVC 12 WCC 13 (WCC finished a decent distance behind the MVC, while the MVC, Horizon, CAA all finished real close to eachother)
09-10 MVC 9 CAA 12 WCC 13 (MVC by over 3 points)
08-09 MVC 9 CAA 14 WCC 15 (WCC finished under .5 in the avg RPI...sign of a weak conference)
07-08 MVC 8 CAA 13 WCC 15 (both CAA and WCC finished under .5 but CAA still a point higher)
06-07 MVC 6 CAA 13 WCC 14 (WCC under .5 again)
05-06 MVC 6 CAA 10 WCC 12
03-04 MVC 11 WCC 12 CAA 13

Average finish
MVC 8
CAA 16.4
WCC 16.4

To go one step further, NDSU is in the Summit/Mid-Con....whose average finish is (just by eyeballing it) 20ish...not too far behind the WCC.

clenz wrote:Conference finish in RPI

12-13 MVC 9 WCC 10 CAA 15(MVC up by over a full point) current standings (CAA ain't what she used to be)
11-12 MVC 8 WCC 11 CAA 15 (CAA ain't what she used to be)
10-11 CAA 10 MVC 12 WCC 13 (WCC finished a decent distance behind the MVC, while the MVC, Horizon, CAA all finished real close to eachother)
09-10 MVC 9 CAA 12 WCC 13 (MVC by over 3 points)
08-09 MVC 9 CAA 14 WCC 15 (WCC finished under .5 in the avg RPI...sign of a weak conference)
07-08 MVC 8 CAA 13 WCC 15 (both CAA and WCC finished under .5 but CAA still a point higher)
06-07 MVC 6 CAA 13 WCC 14 (WCC under .5 again)
05-06 MVC 6 CAA 10 WCC 12
03-04 MVC 11 WCC 12 CAA 13

Average finish
MVC 8
CAA 13
WCC 13

Uh, Clenzy - if the WCC and CAA has never been rated lower than 15, how can their average be 16.4? Is that Iowa math?

dbackjon wrote:

clenz wrote:Conference finish in RPI

12-13 MVC 9 WCC 10 CAA 15(MVC up by over a full point) current standings (CAA ain't what she used to be)
11-12 MVC 8 WCC 11 CAA 15 (CAA ain't what she used to be)
10-11 CAA 10 MVC 12 WCC 13 (WCC finished a decent distance behind the MVC, while the MVC, Horizon, CAA all finished real close to eachother)
09-10 MVC 9 CAA 12 WCC 13 (MVC by over 3 points)
08-09 MVC 9 CAA 14 WCC 15 (WCC finished under .5 in the avg RPI...sign of a weak conference)
07-08 MVC 8 CAA 13 WCC 15 (both CAA and WCC finished under .5 but CAA still a point higher)
06-07 MVC 6 CAA 13 WCC 14 (WCC under .5 again)
05-06 MVC 6 CAA 10 WCC 12
03-04 MVC 11 WCC 12 CAA 13

Average finish
MVC 8
CAA 16.4
WCC 16.4

Uh, Clenzy - if the WCC and CAA has never been rated lower than 15, how can their average be 16.4? Is that Iowa math?

Average using Math the rest of the nation uses:

MVC - 8.7
CAA - 12.7
WCC - 12.7

Yeah...hit the wrong key, and since the totals were the same for both I used it.



Either way, MVC over the last decade has been superior to the other two...


and I'm still not sure how NDSU got involved in this discussion of MVC/WCC/CAA

clenz wrote:Yeah...hit the wrong key, and since the totals were the same for both I used it.



Either way, MVC over the last decade has been superior to the other two...


and I'm still not sure how NDSU got involved in this discussion of MVC/WCC/CAA

Yes, they have.

Now with BYU in the WCC, and Pacific going there, and if Creighton leaves, that could all change.

NDSU is in the MVFC, so I think someone was confused.

dbackjon wrote:

clenz wrote:Yeah...hit the wrong key, and since the totals were the same for both I used it.



Either way, MVC over the last decade has been superior to the other two...


and I'm still not sure how NDSU got involved in this discussion of MVC/WCC/CAA

Yes, they have.

Now with BYU in the WCC, and Pacific going there, and if Creighton leaves, that could all change.

NDSU is in the MVFC, so I think someone was confused.

The MVFC is a completely separate conference....it is a one sport conference. There is literally one poster on this site who could get that confused....although the one who could, did.


By the time Creighton leaves the MVC you'll likely see Illinois State and UNI headed out the door as well.

clenz wrote:

Wildcat Ryan wrote:I liked them, it was a good way for teams like Weber to get some good teams to the Dee, and like in last year's case some exposure.

Oh well though.

It started good...when it was 16 teams, all on TV. The top teams.

Now there is like 122 teams, only 8 TV games, and they don't mean jack **** ****.

Terrible shitty thing for good teams from good conferences. The low major conferences really seemed to like it though.

Bracketbusters was a good thing when it started but like other good things they thought bigger is better and watered it down and eventually killed it.