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Ivytalk wrote:Way harsh for Tubby.

Ivytalk wrote:Way harsh for Tubby.

grizfnz wrote:

Ivytalk wrote:Way harsh for Tubby.

Tubby is a good guy, unfortunately he was coaching for a school that is irrelevant when compared to the majority of the other schools in the conference.

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Gil Dobie wrote:Tubby is a good guy, not a good coach. He won at Kentucky with Petino's recruits. At Minnesota, he never finished higher than 6th in the Big Ten. 46-62 is his Big Ten record. He has been out-coached in many many games. Promising players like Rodney Williams, Ralph Sampson III etc, have not been used to their skill level and do not develope their skills under Tubby. If you are paying a guy this much money, he needs to deliver.

New AD Norwood Teague came from VCU and has several connections in the coaching ranks, including Shaka Smart current VCU coach, the Alabama coach, FGCU coach, Brad Stevens, and more. He is one of the creators of Villa 7, with Mark Ellis, his Sr Assoc AD at Minnesota.

The biggest key is that 2 top 10 recruits in the country for 2014, are in Minnesota's backyard, and having Tubby as coach, will not get these kids to the Gophers. Hiring a name new coach may get these kids.

Gil Dobie wrote:Tubby is a good guy, not a good coach. He won at Kentucky with Petino's recruits. At Minnesota, he never finished higher than 6th in the Big Ten. 46-62 is his Big Ten record. He has been out-coached in many many games. Promising players like Rodney Williams, Ralph Sampson III etc, have not been used to their skill level and do not develope their skills under Tubby. If you are paying a guy this much money, he needs to deliver.

New AD Norwood Teague came from VCU and has several connections in the coaching ranks, including Shaka Smart current VCU coach, the Alabama coach, FGCU coach, Brad Stevens, and more. He is one of the creators of Villa 7, with Mark Ellis, his Sr Assoc AD at Minnesota.

The biggest key is that 2 top 10 recruits in the country for 2014, are in Minnesota's backyard, and having Tubby as coach, will not get these kids to the Gophers. Hiring a name new coach may get these kids.

Brock Landers wrote:Yeah... they'll be going to Kentucky. Minnesota has no chance

Good luck in continued irrelevance Gophers. Tubby actually got you to the tourney despite a stacked B10

Gil Dobie wrote:Tubby is a good guy, not a good coach. He won at Kentucky with Petino's recruits. At Minnesota, he never finished higher than 6th in the Big Ten. 46-62 is his Big Ten record. He has been out-coached in many many games. Promising players like Rodney Williams, Ralph Sampson III etc, have not been used to their skill level and do not develope their skills under Tubby. If you are paying a guy this much money, he needs to deliver.

New AD Norwood Teague came from VCU and has several connections in the coaching ranks, including Shaka Smart current VCU coach, the Alabama coach, FGCU coach, Brad Stevens, and more. He is one of the creators of Villa 7, with Mark Ellis, his Sr Assoc AD at Minnesota.

The biggest key is that 2 top 10 recruits in the country for 2014, are in Minnesota's backyard, and having Tubby as coach, will not get these kids to the Gophers. Hiring a name new coach may get these kids.

ASUMountaineer wrote:I always thought that this was ridiculous attempt to knock coaches. It's harder for a coach to win with someone else's recruits. To get the buy-in from young men that you didn't recruit is not easy to do.

So, Matt Doherty is a better coach than Roy Williams because Roy won his first title with Doherty's recruits?

Gil Dobie wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:I always thought that this was ridiculous attempt to knock coaches. It's harder for a coach to win with someone else's recruits. To get the buy-in from young men that you didn't recruit is not easy to do.

So, Matt Doherty is a better coach than Roy Williams because Roy won his first title with Doherty's recruits?

I understand your point, but what has Tubby done with his own recruits since that first year at Kentucky? He is not a great recruiter and is an average to good coach, not a great coach, which in the Big Ten or SEC or any power conference will get you in the NCAA for a game or two once in a while.

ASUMountaineer wrote:I'm not arguing Tubby's ability to coach, simply that the statement "he won with so-and-so's recruits" is a ridiculous attempted slight. I respect Tubby, he's an HPU alum, so we're familiar with him down here. I wish him the best, but I still don't see what more Minnesota expected, or who they will get that is better.

Gil Dobie wrote:Minnesota is more relevant than any Montana school.

Brock Landers wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:Minnesota is more relevant than any Montana school.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? They're more relevant than any North Dakota school too, doesn't make this a smart move

Gil Dobie wrote:

ASUMountaineer wrote:I'm not arguing Tubby's ability to coach, simply that the statement "he won with so-and-so's recruits" is a ridiculous attempted slight. I respect Tubby, he's an HPU alum, so we're familiar with him down here. I wish him the best, but I still don't see what more Minnesota expected, or who they will get that is better.

Tubby is respected in Minnesota too. As I said other places, he is an average to good coach, not great. The new AD Norwood Teague is a basketball oriented AD who with Mark Ellis and the Villa 7 networking has assisted 59 assistant coaches moving to head coaching positions, including Shaka Smart at his previous postion as AD at VCU. Sounds like they have a candidate(s) and will announce soon. Smith had a losing Big 10 record, and best finish was 6th. Minnesota wants to get back to the elite 8 and even final 4 type team of the Clem Haskins era (without the cheating). Minnesota with 3 top 40 recruits, would like to get these guys to be Gophers.

Gil Dobie wrote:

Brock Landers wrote:Yeah... they'll be going to Kentucky. Minnesota has no chance

Good luck in continued irrelevance Gophers. Tubby actually got you to the tourney despite a stacked B10

Clem Haskins, although cheated and got caught, got the Gophers to the Final Four. Before that they got the in-state recruits like Kevin McHale and had Big Ten championship teams every so often. Tubby didn't get either.

Kentucky has their point guard recruited at this point, for next year. Unless they are one and done, Kentucky may not be his choice.

Minnesota is more relevant than any Montana school.

Franks Tanks wrote:

Gil Dobie wrote:
Clem Haskins, although cheated and got caught, got the Gophers to the Final Four. Before that they got the in-state recruits like Kevin McHale and had Big Ten championship teams every so often. Tubby didn't get either.

Kentucky has their point guard recruited at this point, for next year. Unless they are one and done, Kentucky may not be his choice.

Minnesota is more relevant than any Montana school.

Minnesota does have a pretty good basketball tradition. It helps greatly that they are the only D-I school in the entire state. Minnesota may never be a college basketball power, but they should expect to complete yearly in the Big 10. Face it Tubby is just not a very good coach.

Howland is a good coach, but I agree that you need to win more at UCLA. They are the premier basketball school West of Kansas. You have to do better at UCLA.

dal4018 wrote:

Franks Tanks wrote:
Minnesota does have a pretty good basketball tradition. It helps greatly that they are the only D-I school in the entire state. Minnesota may never be a college basketball power, but they should expect to complete yearly in the Big 10. Face it Tubby is just not a very good coach.

Howland is a good coach, but I agree that you need to win more at UCLA. They are the premier basketball school West of Kansas. You have to do better at UCLA.

Howland is the only coach in the PAC-12 with decent post season success.

Gil Dobie wrote:Shaka agreed to 10 years with VCU today. So he isn't the guy for Minnesota or UCLA.

Havoc will continue to rule at Virginia Commonwealth University.

VCU men’s basketball coach Shaka Smart resisted temptations to take himself and his trademark style elsewhere, agreeing in principle to a contract extension that runs through 2023 and will pay him about $1.5 million per year, VCU athletics director Ed McLaughlin said Wednesday.
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After last season, Smart agreed to a contract that paid him more than $1.36 million annually through 2020. It included a rollover provision that took the deal through 2024 as well as numerous incentives. Smart made more than $155,000 in incentives this season.
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Smart’s name has continually popped up on the got-to-have list of power-conference schools since he took VCU to the Final Four in 2011. The latest were UCLA and Minnesota. Both reached out to Smart this week, a source said, but he informed them Wednesday that he was staying put.
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Smart, who just completed his fourth season, has focused on improvements in previous contract extensions. VCU plans to build a $14 million to $16 million basketball practice facility.

Illinois, N.C. State and others have courted Smart, with Illinois offering a reported $2.5 million last year. UCLA, which has the tradition of coaching legend John Wooden and 11 national championships, had Smart on its short list after firing Ben Howland on Sunday.

Minnesota fired Tubby Smith on Monday. Its new athletics administration includes AD Norwood Teague and senior associate AD Mike Ellis, both of whom were at VCU and have a close relationship with the 35-year-old Smart. They gave him his first head coaching job in 2009.

“Did I worry that the opportunity (at another school) would come up?” said McLaughlin, who was named VCU’s AD in July. “Sure, I worried about it. But I was also confident we could put together something that would make him want to stay, and we did.”

Smart has amassed the sixth-highest win total (111-37) in the country in the past four seasons. He has taken VCU to three NCAA tourneys in a row.

“VCU could not ask for a better icon to represent the university’s academic and athletic rise as a top 50 public research university,” said VCU President Michael Rao.

AZGrizFan wrote:

dal4018 wrote:Howland is the only coach in the PAC-12 with decent post season success.

That "success" was eons ago.