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The all time rankings as well as top 40 for each decade:
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf


Pat Forde's response... a lot of which I agree with, Mich St to low in comparison to other Big 10 schools ranked ahead of them, Illinois ahead of Duke, Georgetown way to low.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... ortCat=ncb

Andy Katz response... more an editorial response about the coaches reactions as well as the top teams
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/s ... id=4532209

Illinois ahead of Duke ALL-TIME makes a lot of sense - Illinois has been consistanly good, while Duke has had some bad decades

dbackjon wrote:Illinois ahead of Duke ALL-TIME makes a lot of sense - Illinois has been consistanly good, while Duke has had some bad decades

Yeah, if you're looking into the 40's and 50's... Illinois was consistently better, from the 60's on, Duke has been as good, if not better. I understand the big picture concept, so including those early decades makes Illinois better historically... but then that's also why you end up with a bunch of Big 10 schools in your top 20. Then again, we are also blinded by recent history.

JMU DJ wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Illinois ahead of Duke ALL-TIME makes a lot of sense - Illinois has been consistanly good, while Duke has had some bad decades

Yeah, if you're looking into the 40's and 50's... Illinois was consistently better, from the 60's on, Duke has been as good, if not better. I understand the big picture concept, so including those early decades makes Illinois better historically... but then that's also why you end up with a bunch of Big 10 schools in your top 20. Then again, we are also blinded by recent history.

That is why i was wondering why the hell Iowa was top 10. I never would have even thought to have them anywhere close to that.

JMU DJ wrote:

dbackjon wrote:Illinois ahead of Duke ALL-TIME makes a lot of sense - Illinois has been consistanly good, while Duke has had some bad decades

Yeah, if you're looking into the 40's and 50's... Illinois was consistently better, from the 60's on, Duke has been as good, if not better. I understand the big picture concept, so including those early decades makes Illinois better historically... but then that's also why you end up with a bunch of Big 10 schools in your top 20. Then again, we are also blinded by recent history.

Illinois was consistantly better in the 80's, as well.


Forde in his response seemed to miss the purpose of the ratings - ALL-TIME, not past three decades.

dbackjon wrote:

JMU DJ wrote:
Yeah, if you're looking into the 40's and 50's... Illinois was consistently better, from the 60's on, Duke has been as good, if not better. I understand the big picture concept, so including those early decades makes Illinois better historically... but then that's also why you end up with a bunch of Big 10 schools in your top 20. Then again, we are also blinded by recent history.

Illinois was consistantly better in the 80's, as well.


Forde in his response seemed to miss the purpose of the ratings - ALL-TIME, not past three decades.

Sure a couple of spots better, but if we're dropping Duke out of the 40's.... where was Illinois in the 70's?

JMU DJ wrote:

dbackjon wrote:

Illinois was consistantly better in the 80's, as well.


Forde in his response seemed to miss the purpose of the ratings - ALL-TIME, not past three decades.

Sure a couple of spots better, but if we're dropping Duke out of the 40's.... where was Illinois in the 70's?

Illinois had a very good teams in the 70's as well - maybe just outside the top 40.

dbackjon wrote:

JMU DJ wrote:

Sure a couple of spots better, but if we're dropping Duke out of the 40's.... where was Illinois in the 70's?

Illinois had a very good teams in the 70's as well - maybe just outside the top 40.

Yup, Duke however is in the top 40 from the 50's on... only behind Illinois in the 50's and 80's.

... Duke wasn't to shabby in the 40's either

40's: Illinois #3, Duke NR
50's: Illinois #2, Duke #31
60's: Illinois: #12, Duke #3
70's: Illinois: NR, Duke #14
80"s: Illinois: #4, Duke #11
90's: Illinois: #29, Duke #2
00's: Illinois: #6, Duke #1

Close, which the overall rankings are.

What do you think about Bradley being the best Mid-Major program.

1) Bradley #39
2) Western Kentucky #44
3) Miami (OH) #69
4) Utah State #72
5) San Francisco #75
6) Santa Clara #79
7) Wichita State #81
8) Toledo #83
9) Southern Illinois #84
10) Princeton #85

Very interesting. I knew that WKU would be up there but Top 50! That is incredible to me.
By far the best in the Sun Belt and the OVC. The highest OVC member was Murray State at 99. The next Sun Belt team was New Orleans at 121.

alright Jags are #240.

wkuhillhound wrote:What do you think about Bradley being the best Mid-Major program.

1) Bradley #39
2) Western Kentucky #44
3) Miami (OH) #69
4) Utah State #72
5) San Francisco #75
6) Santa Clara #79
7) Wichita State #81
8) Toledo #83
9) Southern Illinois #84
10) Princeton #85

Very interesting. I knew that WKU would be up there but Top 50! That is incredible to me.
By far the best in the Sun Belt and the OVC. The highest OVC member was Murray State at 99. The next Sun Belt team was New Orleans at 121.

MVC is not mid-major. I'm not going to take the time to look this up, but I'm pretty sure that in each of the last 6 years the MVC conf RPI has been above at least 1 "BCS" conf. Not too long ago sent 4 to the tourney, had 2 in the sweet 16. People can call it whatever they want, but that isn't mid-major.