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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:54 am

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby CAA Flagship » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:26 pm

UNI88 wrote: ....as a Chiefs fan, I would rather play the Dolphins, Jets and Bills twice each than the Chargers, Broncos and Raiders.

So the road games would be:
Hot, Cold, NY Fans

vs.

Soccer stadium, High altitude, Oakland fans.

Hmmmmm.

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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby UNI88 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:22 pm

CAA Flagship wrote:
UNI88 wrote: ....as a Chiefs fan, I would rather play the Dolphins, Jets and Bills twice each than the Chargers, Broncos and Raiders.

So the road games would be:
Hot, Cold, NY Fans

vs.

Soccer stadium, High altitude, Oakland fans.

Hmmmmm.
From a quality of opponent perspective.

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:49 pm

obviously the Chiefs Chargers Broncos and Raiders
are a better group than Patriots Bills Dolphins Jets
even though the Patriots just beat the Chargers and Chiefs

However 5 years ago that wasn't the case at all...
The Raiders were the worst team in the NFL and that division performed poorly against the AFC East

We're talking about a cyclical league
where teams power rankings shift wildly from season to season

Ranking the NFL's 32 teams during the past decade is extremely telling...
The AFC west has nobody in the top 1/3 in performance with the Chargers coming in at 11th

https://www.nbcsports.com/ranking-nfls- ... ing-decade

The best team in the league right now - The Kansas City Chiefs
have been the 24th best team in the league over the past 10 years

24. Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 69-87
Playoff appearances: 2
Playoff record: 0-2
Losing seasons: 6
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:57 pm

Chizzang wrote:obviously the Chiefs Chargers Broncos and Raiders
are a better group than Patriots Bills Dolphins Jets
even though the Patriots just beat the Chargers and Chiefs

However 5 years ago that wasn't the case at all...
The Raiders were the worst team in the NFL and that division performed poorly against the AFC East

We're talking about a cyclical league
where teams power rankings shift wildly from season to season

Ranking the NFL's 32 teams during the past decade is extremely telling...
The AFC west has nobody in the top 1/3 in performance with the Chargers coming in at 11th

https://www.nbcsports.com/ranking-nfls- ... ing-decade

The best team in the league right now - The Kansas City Chiefs
have been the 24th best team in the league over the past 10 years

24. Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 69-87
Playoff appearances: 2
Playoff record: 0-2
Losing seasons: 6

Aren't those the 2000-2009 rankings?
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:01 pm

89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:obviously the Chiefs Chargers Broncos and Raiders
are a better group than Patriots Bills Dolphins Jets
even though the Patriots just beat the Chargers and Chiefs

However 5 years ago that wasn't the case at all...
The Raiders were the worst team in the NFL and that division performed poorly against the AFC East

We're talking about a cyclical league
where teams power rankings shift wildly from season to season

Ranking the NFL's 32 teams during the past decade is extremely telling...
The AFC west has nobody in the top 1/3 in performance with the Chargers coming in at 11th

https://www.nbcsports.com/ranking-nfls- ... ing-decade

The best team in the league right now - The Kansas City Chiefs
have been the 24th best team in the league over the past 10 years

24. Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 69-87
Playoff appearances: 2
Playoff record: 0-2
Losing seasons: 6

Aren't those the 2000-2009 rankings?


I thought I pulled up 2009-2019
I can pull up whichever ones you want

:shock:

the point is the same... the league shifts wildly
https://www.patriots.com/news/nfl-decad ... -2010-2018
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:49 am

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:Aren't those the 2000-2009 rankings?


I thought I pulled up 2009-2019
I can pull up whichever ones you want

:shock:

the point is the same... the league shifts wildly
https://www.patriots.com/news/nfl-decad ... -2010-2018

I'm not following that closely, but weren't you basically arguing that the AFC West were worse than the AFC East?

7. Kansas City
8. Denver

23. Miami
25. NY Jets
26. Buffalo
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:01 pm

89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I thought I pulled up 2009-2019
I can pull up whichever ones you want

:shock:

the point is the same... the league shifts wildly
https://www.patriots.com/news/nfl-decad ... -2010-2018

I'm not following that closely, but weren't you basically arguing that the AFC West were worse than the AFC East?

7. Kansas City
8. Denver

23. Miami
25. NY Jets
26. Buffalo


Works the same
in the period from 2000 -2009 the AFC West was worse than the AFC East
and the Patriots won 3 Superbowls in that period also

The strange argument put forth is the worse your division
somehow the more likely you are to win a Superbowl because of how bad your division is
or something like that... Either way the numbers don't pan out

:nod:

My point through this is the Patriots for 20 years straight
play a little better than .750 against all opponents
NFC / AFC / Any Division / Playoffs etc.

Their argument is the patriots win because they are in a shitty division

yet the winningest division in the NFL in those past 20 years is the ACF East
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby GannonFan » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:27 pm

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:I'm not following that closely, but weren't you basically arguing that the AFC West were worse than the AFC East?

7. Kansas City
8. Denver

23. Miami
25. NY Jets
26. Buffalo


Works the same
in the period from 2000 -2009 the AFC West was worse than the AFC East
and the Patriots won 3 Superbowls in that period also

The strange argument put forth is the worse your division
somehow the more likely you are to win a Superbowl because of how bad your division is
or something like that... Either way the numbers don't pan out

:nod:

My point through this is the Patriots for 20 years straight
play a little better than .750 against all opponents
NFC / AFC / Any Division / Playoffs etc.

Their argument is the patriots win because they are in a shitty division

yet the winningest division in the NFL in those past 20 years is the ACF East


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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:39 pm

GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Works the same
in the period from 2000 -2009 the AFC West was worse than the AFC East
and the Patriots won 3 Superbowls in that period also

The strange argument put forth is the worse your division
somehow the more likely you are to win a Superbowl because of how bad your division is
or something like that... Either way the numbers don't pan out

:nod:

My point through this is the Patriots for 20 years straight
play a little better than .750 against all opponents
NFC / AFC / Any Division / Playoffs etc.

Their argument is the patriots win because they are in a shitty division

yet the winningest division in the NFL in those past 20 years is the ACF East


You're like a one-trick pony - unless you're talking about Comcast you're like a less weird, but still mostly wrong JSO type poster. :coffee:


Just factual data...
I look forward ANY data you can provide that substantiates your claims

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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby UNI88 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:04 pm

Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
You're like a one-trick pony - unless you're talking about Comcast you're like a less weird, but still mostly wrong JSO type poster. :coffee:


Just factual data...
I look forward ANY data you can provide that substantiates your claims

:coffee:
JSO's data is factual too.

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Gil Dobie » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:13 am

Very reason the Packers have won so much, bad division. Vikings thought they were so great when Rodgers got hurt. They just had an easy schedule, and were not competitive enough to get to the Super Bowl. Playing a tougher schedule last season proved that point.
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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby GannonFan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:45 am

UNI88 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Just factual data...
I look forward ANY data you can provide that substantiates your claims

:coffee:
JSO's data is factual too.

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:58 am

Gil Dobie wrote:Very reason the Packers have won so much, bad division. Vikings thought they were so great when Rodgers got hurt. They just had an easy schedule, and were not competitive enough to get to the Super Bowl. Playing a tougher schedule last season proved that point.


What's the Vikings 20 year excuse ?
Do they have 20 unique different excuses
each that explain their success or lack of success each season over 20 years ..?

:lol:

The logic here:
The Chiefs DID NOT win the Superbowl last year because they were in the best division in the NFL

:nod:

You'll want to write that down - it's CS.com football facts
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Gil Dobie » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:20 am

Chizzang wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Very reason the Packers have won so much, bad division. Vikings thought they were so great when Rodgers got hurt. They just had an easy schedule, and were not competitive enough to get to the Super Bowl. Playing a tougher schedule last season proved that point.


What's the Vikings 20 year excuse ?
Do they have 20 unique different excuses
each that explain their success or lack of success each season over 20 years ..?

:lol:

The logic here:
The Chiefs DID NOT win the Superbowl last year because they were in the best division in the NFL

:nod:

You'll want to write that down - it's CS.com football facts


Tough conference is why NDSU does so bad in the FCS playoffs. NFL must be the exception, or KC wasn't good enough last year.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:55 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's the Vikings 20 year excuse ?
Do they have 20 unique different excuses
each that explain their success or lack of success each season over 20 years ..?

:lol:

The logic here:
The Chiefs DID NOT win the Superbowl last year because they were in the best division in the NFL

:nod:

You'll want to write that down - it's CS.com football facts


Tough conference is why NDSU does so bad in the FCS playoffs. NFL must be the exception, or KC wasn't good enough last year.


Note:
In the NFL the worse your division the more Superbowls you win
You'll notice the opposite argument is used when evaluating FCS football and the Bison

The whole thing is actually pretty entertaining...

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby css75 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:37 am

The AFC West is the only division with all 4 teams above .500 all time.


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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:28 am

css75 wrote:The AFC West is the only division with all 4 teams above .500 all time.


Not sure I understand...
the AFC west is above .500 since realignment?
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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby UNI88 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:47 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's the Vikings 20 year excuse ?
Do they have 20 unique different excuses
each that explain their success or lack of success each season over 20 years ..?



The logic here:
The Chiefs DID NOT win the Superbowl last year because they were in the best division in the NFL

:nod:

You'll want to write that down - it's CS.com football facts


Tough conference is why NDSU does so bad in the FCS playoffs. NFL must be the exception, or KC wasn't good enough last year.


KC wasn't good enough last year.

The Patriots playing in a weaker division doesn't lessen what they've accomplished.

Chizzy defending them like he accuses CID of defending Trump is ironic.

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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:30 pm

UNI88 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
Tough conference is why NDSU does so bad in the FCS playoffs. NFL must be the exception, or KC wasn't good enough last year.


KC wasn't good enough last year.

The Patriots playing in a weaker division doesn't lessen what they've accomplished.

Chizzy defending them like he accuses CID of defending Trump is ironic.


I'm honestly looking for any piece of data
that supports the claim that the Patriots win superbowls because of the AFC East

anything...
over the last 20 years that corroborates that theory
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Postby UNI88 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:55 pm

Chizzang wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
KC wasn't good enough last year.

The Patriots playing in a weaker division doesn't lessen what they've accomplished.

Chizzy defending them like he accuses CID of defending Trump is ironic.


I'm honestly looking for any piece of data
that supports the claim that the Patriots win superbowls because of the AFC East

anything...
over the last 20 years that corroborates that theory
The Patriots don't win Superbowls because of the AFC East. If the AFC East is weaker as proposed than (that's for you CID) they do have a weaker schedule which theoretically gives them more wins which increases their chances of winning in the playoffs and making the Superbowl. They still have to win it though.

You're like JSO arguing that Trump didn't drastically improve the economy. You've picked your battlefield and that's where you're going to fight irregardless (CID) of where others are fighting (or arguing in this case).

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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby CAA Flagship » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:16 am

Chizzang wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
KC wasn't good enough last year.

The Patriots playing in a weaker division doesn't lessen what they've accomplished.

Chizzy defending them like he accuses CID of defending Trump is ironic.


I'm honestly looking for any piece of data
that supports the claim that the Patriots win superbowls because of the AFC East

anything...
over the last 20 years that corroborates that theory

Well if the regular season schedule is easier, your record will be better. That gives you home field advantages and easier playoff opponents.
Disclaimer: I'm not arguing that the AFC East is weak at this point. Just saying that a weak division does better your chance at appearing in Super Bowls. And in the Pats' case, they have won several by the skin of their teeth.

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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 93henfan » Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:31 am

CAA Flagship wrote:Well if the regular season schedule is easier, your record will be better. That gives you home field advantages and easier playoff opponents.


Precisely. I won this argument pages ago, but some people like to hear themselves talk. I think it makes them feel smart.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby css75 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:49 am

Chizzang wrote:
css75 wrote:The AFC West is the only division with all 4 teams above .500 all time.


Not sure I understand...
the AFC west is above .500 since realignment?


Since the inception of the AFL IN 1960.


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Re: RE: Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:50 am

93henfan wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:Well if the regular season schedule is easier, your record will be better. That gives you home field advantages and easier playoff opponents.


Precisely. I won this argument pages ago, but some people like to hear themselves talk. I think it makes them feel smart.


Totally - I completely agree with that ^ above
Anybody would - it also strengthens my argument

The winning-est division against all opponents since realignment is the AFC East
Below we see:
Regular Season wins against all opponents since 2002 realignment

506 / NFC West
533 / NFC North
534 / AFC South
544 / AFC West
545 / AFC North
555 / AFC South
557 / NFC East
569 / AFC East

Regular Season winning percentage against opposite conference since realignment

AFC .504
NFC .495
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