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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:50 pm

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Chizzang wrote:
now do that since 2003 realignment - you'll notice some significant changes in wins

:lol:


I bet if we go back to the Shula days we can get the Dan Marino and Jim Kelly impacts as well. Heck, the Jets have a good season here and there, I'm sure we can capture that too.


Just since they actually realigned the teams and all the divisions existed in their present state

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:52 pm

Chizzang wrote:now do that since 2003 realignment - you'll notice some significant changes in wins

:lol:

Your claim. You do the work. My stats cover 3 of the Pats SB wins.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:18 pm

89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:now do that since 2003 realignment - you'll notice some significant changes in wins

:lol:

Your claim. You do the work. My stats cover 3 of the Pats SB wins.



It's not actually important
I know the claim made by Gannon and 93 is bunk
because I've seen the data from both Peter King and PFF

They don't even believe it - they already know it's not accurate - they say it to annoy me

:ohno:

PFF has the AFC East ranked in the middle
with 3 divisions better and 4 worse since realignment
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:16 am

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:Your claim. You do the work. My stats cover 3 of the Pats SB wins.



It's not actually important
I know the claim made by Gannon and 93 is bunk
because I've seen the data from both Peter King and PFF

They don't even believe it - they already know it's not accurate - they say it to annoy me

:ohno:

PFF has the AFC East ranked in the middle
with 3 divisions better and 4 worse since realignment

So now it's not important. Check. :coffee:
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:23 am

89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

It's not actually important
I know the claim made by Gannon and 93 is bunk
because I've seen the data from both Peter King and PFF

They don't even believe it - they already know it's not accurate - they say it to annoy me

:ohno:

PFF has the AFC East ranked in the middle
with 3 divisions better and 4 worse since realignment

So now it's not important. Check. :coffee:


I'm right - they're wrong...
when has that ever been important around here..?

If anything this years proves my point
The NFL is far too cyclical for any one division to be awful for more than a year or two

Right now the NFC East is the worst division in football
a few years back it was the best division in football

The statistical evidence is right there
since the realignment 2003-2019 the AFC East is NOT the worst division
and frankly the difference over time between divisions is a few percentage points

:coffee:

this entire debate is based around not liking the patriots
and trying to diminish their 20 years of success - that's all it's about
its not about factual information supporting a claim
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

When was the AFC East the best division in football?
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:27 am

89Hen wrote:When was the AFC East the best division in football?


Are we speaking metaphorically like 93 and Gannon
or statistically ?


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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Ibanez » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:50 am

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:When was the AFC East the best division in football?


Are we speaking metaphorically like 93 and Gannon
or statistically ?


:coffee:

How about in reality?
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:06 am

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:When was the AFC East the best division in football?


Are we speaking metaphorically like 93 and Gannon
or statistically ?


:coffee:

Factually. Seems you want to claim facts, but don't present any. I presented some facts that didn't jibe with your story.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:08 am

Ibanez wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Are we speaking metaphorically like 93 and Gannon
or statistically ?


:coffee:

How about in reality?


93's reality is that the AFC East sucks
even as it is plowing through the NFC East

:coffee:

So I'd prefer to stick with statistical facts
reality is not a strong suit of this forum

in 2015 the AFC East won the most games in the NFL
the division with the most wins in the NFL changes almost every year
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:18 am

Buffalo Bills - 1 playoff appearance since 2000
Miami Dolphins - 2 playoff appearances since 2002
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:29 am

89Hen wrote:Buffalo Bills - 1 playoff appearance since 2000
Miami Dolphins - 2 playoff appearances since 2002


Because they have to play a team that's made 17 playoff appearances in the last 18 years

:roll:

The AFC East is far and away the best Playoff Division in NFL history
If you'd like to start a completely different debate

You're all over the map 89..
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:37 am

Eagles 12 since 2000.
Cowboys 7 since 2003.
Giants 7 since 2002.
Redskins 4 since 2005 and they suck.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:40 am

89Hen wrote:Eagles 12 since 2000.
Cowboys 7 since 2003.
Giants 7 since 2002.
Redskins 4 since 2005 and they suck.


What's your point exactly..?
That there is parody in the NFC East..?

Lets state the point that we're trying to make
because random NFL information is nice but what is the POINT exactly

My point has already been proven...
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:41 am

Chizzang wrote:The AFC East is far and away the best Playoff Division in NFL history

Dolphins - no playoff wins since 2002
Bills - no playoff wins since 1996

Tell me again how great they are.

And talking about no net... you went from realignment to NFL history and want to include the Pats. :lol:
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:43 am

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:Eagles 12 since 2000.
Cowboys 7 since 2003.
Giants 7 since 2002.
Redskins 4 since 2005 and they suck.


What's your point exactly..?
That there is parody in the NFC East..?

Lets state the point that we're trying to make
because random NFL information is nice but what is the POINT exactly

My point has already been proven...

Parody would explain 19 playoff trips (different division winner every year). I count 30 above.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:48 am

89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's your point exactly..?
That there is parody in the NFC East..?

Lets state the point that we're trying to make
because random NFL information is nice but what is the POINT exactly

My point has already been proven...

Parody would explain 19 playoff trips (different division winner every year). I count 30 above.


I'm still trying to figure out what your point is..?
Could you make a list of the points you'd like to make?

1) We've established that the AFC East is NOT the worst division since realignment

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:01 am

Chizzang wrote:Could you make a list of the points you'd like to make?

1. That you have yet to back this up...

Chizzang wrote:add up the wins and losses since the realignment
and remove the winningest team from each division the AFC east has the 2nd most wins


2. That the Bills and Dolphins are two of the worst teams in the NFL since 2000-2002 ish.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby kalm » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:57 am

89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
What's your point exactly..?
That there is parody in the NFC East..?

Lets state the point that we're trying to make
because random NFL information is nice but what is the POINT exactly

My point has already been proven...

Parody would explain 19 playoff trips (different division winner every year). I count 30 above.


So who’s worse...

NFC East
AFC East
Big Sky Conference?

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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:01 pm

kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote:Parody would explain 19 playoff trips (different division winner every year). I count 30 above.


So who’s worse...

NFC East
AFC East
Big Sky Conference?

:mrgreen:

This year? NFC East.

You'd have to go back a few years to find me saying anything bad (not in jest) about the BSC.
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Chizzang » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:03 pm

89Hen wrote:
2. That the Bills and Dolphins are two of the worst teams in the NFL since 2000-2002 ish.


More like
a) Middle and
b) bottom 1/3rd
which proves my point again... (blind bias on your part)
and by the end of this season the Bills will surpass the Redskins in wins since 2000

NFL wins since 2000-current (Including playoffs):
1.) New England Patriots- 209 (22 playoff wins)
2.) Indianapolis Colts- 180 (12 playoff wins)
3.) Pittsburgh Steelers- 177 (13 playoff wins)
4.) Green Bay Packers- 171 (11 playoff wins)
5.) Baltimore Ravens- 164 (15 playoff wins)
6.) Philadelphia Eagles- 162 (10 playoff wins)
7.) Denver Broncos- 159 (6 playoff wins)
8.) Seattle Seahawks- 155 (13 playoff wins)
9.) New Orleans Saints- 146 ( 7 playoff wins)
10.) New York Giants-145 (10 playoff wins)
11.) San Diego Chargers- 134 ( 3 playoff wins)
12.) Carolina Panthers-133 (8 playoff wins)
13.) Chicago Bears- 132 ( 3 playoff wins)
13.) Atlanta Falcons- 132 ( 3 playoff wins)
14.) New York Jets- 130 (6 playoff wins)
15.) Dallas Cowboys- 129 ( 2 playoff wins)
15.) Minnesota Vikings- 129 (3 playoff wins)
16.) Tennessee Titans- 125 ( 2 playoff wins)
17.) Cincinnati Bengals- 123
18,) Miami Dolphins- 121 ( 1 playoff win)
19.) San Francisco 49ers- 119 ( 6 playoff wins)
19.) Kansas City Chiefs- 119 (1 playoff win)
20.) Arizona Cardinals- 117 ( 5 playoff wins)
21.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- 114 ( 3 playoff wins)
22.) St. Louis Rams- 110 (3 playoff wins)
23.) Washington Redskins- 107 ( 1 playoff win)
24.) Jacksonville Jaguars- 104 ( 1 playoff win)
25.) Buffalo Bills- 104
26.) Houston Texans- 98 ( 2 playoff wins)
27.) Oakland Raiders- 95 ( 3 playoff wins)
28.) Detroit Lions- 86
29.) Cleveland Browns- 85
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby Ibanez » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:09 pm

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:
2. That the Bills and Dolphins are two of the worst teams in the NFL since 2000-2002 ish.


More like
a) Middle and
b) bottom 1/3rd
which proves my point again... (blind bias on your part)
and by the end of this season the Bills will surpass the Redskins in wins since 2000

NFL wins since 2000-current (Including playoffs):
1.) New England Patriots- 209 (22 playoff wins)
2.) Indianapolis Colts- 180 (12 playoff wins)
3.) Pittsburgh Steelers- 177 (13 playoff wins)
4.) Green Bay Packers- 171 (11 playoff wins)
5.) Baltimore Ravens- 164 (15 playoff wins)
6.) Philadelphia Eagles- 162 (10 playoff wins)
7.) Denver Broncos- 159 (6 playoff wins)
8.) Seattle Seahawks- 155 (13 playoff wins)
9.) New Orleans Saints- 146 ( 7 playoff wins)
10.) New York Giants-145 (10 playoff wins)
11.) San Diego Chargers- 134 ( 3 playoff wins)
12.) Carolina Panthers-133 (8 playoff wins)
13.) Chicago Bears- 132 ( 3 playoff wins)
13.) Atlanta Falcons- 132 ( 3 playoff wins)
14.) New York Jets- 130 (6 playoff wins)
15.) Dallas Cowboys- 129 ( 2 playoff wins)
15.) Minnesota Vikings- 129 (3 playoff wins)
16.) Tennessee Titans- 125 ( 2 playoff wins)
17.) Cincinnati Bengals- 123
18,) Miami Dolphins- 121 ( 1 playoff win)
19.) San Francisco 49ers- 119 ( 6 playoff wins)
19.) Kansas City Chiefs- 119 (1 playoff win)
20.) Arizona Cardinals- 117 ( 5 playoff wins)
21.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- 114 ( 3 playoff wins)
22.) St. Louis Rams- 110 (3 playoff wins)
23.) Washington Redskins- 107 ( 1 playoff win)
24.) Jacksonville Jaguars- 104 ( 1 playoff win)
25.) Buffalo Bills- 104
26.) Houston Texans- 98 ( 2 playoff wins)
27.) Oakland Raiders- 95 ( 3 playoff wins)
28.) Detroit Lions- 86
29.) Cleveland Browns- 85

Of course the Pats are that high, the play Miami and Buffalo about 2x a year. :lol:
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Re: NFL 2019 Season

Postby 89Hen » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:31 pm

So Bills are one of four teams without a playoff win since 2000, but you won't include them as one of the worst. Tell me again who is making shit up.
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