Baseball Hall of Fame 2021 Golden Era Vote

[Gil Dobie]

They don't have complete stats for the Negro League yet. Plus other things came into play.

Hall of Famer Orlando Cepeda called him ‘the Jackie Robinson for all Latinos.

“He wasn’t in the starting lineup for Cleveland because they had too many Black players. There was this unofficial quota, period, in baseball that you can’t start more Black players than White players,” explained University of Illinois historian Dr. Adrian Burgos, who served on the Hall of Fame’s 2006 Negro League election committee. “There’s all these practices that limited his opportunities. Yet, when he got the opportunity, he shined.”

From 1951 to 1960, Miñoso made nine All-Star teams, won three gold gloves, and finished top four in MVP voting four times.

“We are talking about a guy who very well might have been the second best player in the American League in the ’50s behind Mickey Mantle,” opined national columnist for The Athletic Joe Posnanski, “He was in that mix. He was that good of a player.”

Convince me that he's any different from Amos Otis (who's not in the HOF either). I agree, Minnie has the intangibles (came out of the Negro Leagues, was the Jackie Robinson for Cubans, etc), and he had a very good career. But again, this is the HOF, it should be about what you did, not what your story is.

That would take out half the Hall of Fame, starting with Tinker to Evers to Chance. Otis average is 20 points lower, playing against pitchers throwing from a lowered mound after the 1968 season. Minnie had 4 seasons over 100 RBI, same as Mantle. Otis also played a 162 game schedule, yet he only drove in 100 runs once, and scored 100 runs once, to 5 times for Minoso. Minoso struck out 584 times with about the same number of plate appearances as Otis, with 1008 k's. Minoso's WAR is also higher. Who was a better player in the 1950's, in the American League? Ted Williams batting, Mickey Mantle, Yogi?

[GannonFan]

Convince me that he's any different from Amos Otis (who's not in the HOF either). I agree, Minnie has the intangibles (came out of the Negro Leagues, was the Jackie Robinson for Cubans, etc), and he had a very good career. But again, this is the HOF, it should be about what you did, not what your story is.

That would take out half the Hall of Fame, starting with Tinker to Evers to Chance. Otis average is 20 points lower, playing against pitchers throwing from a lowered mound after the 1968 season. Minnie had 4 seasons over 100 RBI, same as Mantle. Otis also played a 162 game schedule, yet he only drove in 100 runs once, and scored 100 runs once, to 5 times for Minoso. Minoso struck out 584 times with about the same number of plate appearances as Otis, with 1008 k's. Minoso's WAR is also higher. Who was a better player in the 1950's, in the American League? Ted Williams batting, Mickey Mantle, Yogi?

Al Kaline was pretty good too in the '50's.

[Gil Dobie]

Kaat, Oliva, Hodges and Minoso to enter the Hall.

[dal4018]

Kaat, Oliva, Hodges and Minoso to enter the Hall.

Its about time heard this on sports radio WFAN NY!!!!!!!

[Ivytalk]

Dick Allen was boned again. By one lousy vote.

[Winterborn]

Where did Marris wind up in the voting?

[89Hen]

This is clearly the hall of mediocrity.

[Gil Dobie]

Where did Marris wind up in the voting?

I didn't see what his vote was.

[Gil Dobie]

This is clearly the hall of mediocrity.

What's mediocre about the one's they selected? IMO, mediocre would be Len Dykstra, or Travis Fryman, or Larry Bowa, good players, but not great like the 4 that just went in the hall.

[GannonFan]

This is clearly the hall of mediocrity.

What's mediocre about the one's they selected? IMO, mediocre would be Len Dykstra, or Travis Fryman, or Larry Bowa, good players, but not great like the 4 that just went in the hall.

Eh, we've had this discussion. Hodges was an easy pick, the others are good players but don't really measure up to what the HOF has normally been. We're just looking for ways to add more people to get more press. Not the end of the world, certainly, but these guys had been looked over countlessly over the past several decades and found wanting every time, until now of course.

[89Hen]

What's mediocre about the one's they selected? IMO, mediocre would be Len Dykstra, or Travis Fryman, or Larry Bowa, good players, but not great like the 4 that just went in the hall.

Eh, we've had this discussion. Hodges was an easy pick, the others are good players but don't really measure up to what the HOF has normally been. We're just looking for ways to add more people to get more press. Not the end of the world, certainly, but these guys had been looked over countlessly over the past several decades and found wanting every time, until now of course.

[Gil Dobie]

What's mediocre about the one's they selected? IMO, mediocre would be Len Dykstra, or Travis Fryman, or Larry Bowa, good players, but not great like the 4 that just went in the hall.

Eh, we've had this discussion. Hodges was an easy pick, the others are good players but don't really measure up to what the HOF has normally been. We're just looking for ways to add more people to get more press. Not the end of the world, certainly, but these guys had been looked over countlessly over the past several decades and found wanting every time, until now of course.

We had players of less renown, in the Hall long before this class. There are many pitchers with less wins than Kaat, and none with 16 consecutive Gold Gloves. 17 more wins and he's a shoe-in. Won 20 games twice with a mediocre White Sox team. Kaat had more wins, more 20 win seasons and a better era than Mike Mussina.

Oliva won 3 batting titles, lead the league in hits 5 times, lifetime average of .304, 8 time all-star, gold glove winner

Minoso 9 time all-star, 3 time gold glove winner, lifetime .299 average. Had 100 RBI's 4 times, just like Mickey Mantle.

Compare them to Joe Tinker, Johnny Evers, Rick Ferrell, Roger Bresnahan, Bill Mazeroski, Pee Wee Reese, Ozzie Smith, Joe Gordon, Enos Slaughter, Dave Bancroft.

Compare Kaat to Jim Bunning or Mike Mussina.

[GannonFan]

Eh, we've had this discussion. Hodges was an easy pick, the others are good players but don't really measure up to what the HOF has normally been. We're just looking for ways to add more people to get more press. Not the end of the world, certainly, but these guys had been looked over countlessly over the past several decades and found wanting every time, until now of course.

We had players of less renown, in the Hall long before this class. There are many pitchers with less wins than Kaat, and none with 16 consecutive Gold Gloves. 17 more wins and he's a shoe-in. Won 20 games twice with a mediocre White Sox team. Kaat had more wins, more 20 win seasons and a better era than Mike Mussina.

Oliva won 3 batting titles, lead the league in hits 5 times, lifetime average of .304, 8 time all-star, gold glove winner

Minoso 9 time all-star, 3 time gold glove winner, lifetime .299 average. Had 100 RBI's 4 times, just like Mickey Mantle.

Compare them to Joe Tinker, Johnny Evers, Rick Ferrell, Roger Bresnahan, Bill Mazeroski, Pee Wee Reese, Ozzie Smith, Joe Gordon, Enos Slaughter, Dave Bancroft.

Compare Kaat to Jim Bunning or Mike Mussina.

I agree, we should just let anyone in, less arguments.