2022 BBWAA Baseball Hall of Fame Ballott

[dbackjon]

You sure all of them are 100% clean?

Have you heard anything about these guys?

Specifically, no. But hard to believe they were all 100% clean.

[dbackjon]

Ortiz only one elected

[AZGrizFan]

Bonds was a HOF before he had to change hat sizes

Yes he was, this was a comparison to Griffey. Griffey had a great career and phases out as he got older. Bonds hit 35 and had a 2nd hall of fame career.

Then why does it matter? If he was HOF lock BEFORE roids, why does it matter?

[AZGrizFan]

Ortiz only one elected

Just ridiculous. I hate that the media has this much power over this.

[CAA Flagship]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/330 ... ame-voters

Even Andy Pettitte's old-school stats are better than you realize. He won 256 games in the majors, more than Carl Hubbell or Bob Gibson or Whitey Ford or Pedro Martinez. OK, sure, his 3.85 ERA would be the highest of any Hall of Famer other than Jack Morris, but his adjusted ERA+ of 117, well, that's the same as Gaylord Perry, better than Dennis Eckersley or Steve Carlton or Fergie Jenkins or Robin Roberts or Nolan Ryan. Nobody is trying to kick those guys out of the Hall of Fame. As Sam Miller pointed out in an ESPN column, it was tough being a pitcher born in the 1970s and surviving the steroid era. Only Martinez and Roy Halladay have more career WAR than Pettitte among pitchers born in that decade.

I get it: Pettitte's peak performance doesn't scream Cooperstown -- two qualified seasons with an ERA under 3.00, four top-five Cy Young votes, only three seasons above 5.0 WAR. He was a bit of a compiler, a guy who churned out his 200 innings every season, although of course there is a lot of value in doing that. With Pettitte, however, we also need to consider the postseason. For modern players, with multiple rounds of playoffs and so many more opportunities to pitch, this can add a lot to a player's legacy.

Pettitte has won more games than any pitcher in postseason history (19), started the most games (44) and pitched the most innings (276). He went 19-11 with a 3.81 ERA and, yes, volume is again part of the success, but he allowed two runs or fewer in 23 of those 44 starts and pitched at least six innings in 35 starts. Yankees fans happily remember his greatest moments, including 8⅓ scoreless innings in Game 5 of the 1996 World Series and two wins in the 2009 World Series. Maybe he's a borderline candidate via his regular-season numbers, but the five World Series rings are the exclamation point to his career. -- David Schoenfield

Every pitcher that won more than 100 games than they lost is in the HOF.
Pettitte was 256-153 during the regular season and 19-11 in the post-season.
Just sayin.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes he was, this was a comparison to Griffey. Griffey had a great career and phases out as he got older. Bonds hit 35 and had a 2nd hall of fame career.

Then why does it matter? If he was HOF lock BEFORE roids, why does it matter?

He's paying for cheating.

[AZGrizFan]

Then why does it matter? If he was HOF lock BEFORE roids, why does it matter?

He's paying for cheating.

[dbackjon]

Ortiz only one elected

Just ridiculous. I hate that the media has this much power over this.

[Ivytalk]

Ortiz is a one-dimensional player who doesn’t deserve to be in. He was a fricking DH who couldn’t run or field. And he juiced his way to power numbers, too. Look at his numbers with the Twinkies.

Put Pete Rose in.

[Gil Dobie]

Ortiz is a one-dimensional player who doesn’t deserve to be in. He was a fricking DH who couldn’t run or field. And he juiced his way to power numbers, too. Look at his numbers with the Twinkies.

Put Pete Rose in.

Put Joe Jackson in.

[Ivytalk]

Ortiz is a one-dimensional player who doesn’t deserve to be in. He was a fricking DH who couldn’t run or field. And he juiced his way to power numbers, too. Look at his numbers with the Twinkies.

Put Pete Rose in.

Put Joe Jackson in.

I’m good with that.

[GannonFan]

Put Joe Jackson in.

I’m good with that.

And hey, if we're ever going to put Bonds and Clemens in, in the very same class we should put Rose and Jackson in, and anybody else we've been holding out for any other various reasons. Make it the "clean slate" class, or the "amnesty class".

[Gil Dobie]

[AZGrizFan]

Ortiz is a one-dimensional player who doesn’t deserve to be in. He was a fricking DH who couldn’t run or field. And he juiced his way to power numbers, too. Look at his numbers with the Twinkies.

Put Pete Rose in.

Put Joe Jackson in.

Another travesty of "justice".

[SuperHornet]

GF:

1. Jackson - There was no proof that he threw the World Series. In fact, he was acquitted in court. That case was all about the ego of one Kennesaw Mountain Landis. Jackson belongs in.

2. Rose - On the basis of his playing prowess (All Star at multiple positions over 20+ years; base-hit record with no hint of steroids; tough competitor; etc.), he belongs in. The entire question about him stems from his time as a manager, and he wouldn't even SNIFF the Hall as a manager. Let him in as a player; Jim Gray can take a flying leap.

[GannonFan]

GF:

1. Jackson - There was no proof that he threw the World Series. In fact, he was acquitted in court. That case was all about the ego of one Kennesaw Mountain Landis. Jackson belongs in.

2. Rose - On the basis of his playing prowess (All Star at multiple positions over 20+ years; base-hit record with no hint of steroids; tough competitor; etc.), he belongs in. The entire question about him stems from his time as a manager, and he wouldn't even SNIFF the Hall as a manager. Let him in as a player; Jim Gray can take a flying leap.

All the Black Sox players were acquitted in court. Doesn't mean they didn't take money. I don't think Jackson threw any games, but that's why I tell my kids don't hang around people doing bad things. As for Rose, come on, he jeopardized the integrity of the game, that's a pretty big deal. And he was never sorry for it, just for getting caught. And he's a pretty obnoxious guy. Again, I'm all for letting him in the HOF despite his character flaws.

[UNI88]

GF:

1. Jackson - There was no proof that he threw the World Series. In fact, he was acquitted in court. That case was all about the ego of one Kennesaw Mountain Landis. Jackson belongs in.

2. Rose - On the basis of his playing prowess (All Star at multiple positions over 20+ years; base-hit record with no hint of steroids; tough competitor; etc.), he belongs in. The entire question about him stems from his time as a manager, and he wouldn't even SNIFF the Hall as a manager. Let him in as a player; Jim Gray can take a flying leap.

All the Black Sox players were acquitted in court. Doesn't mean they didn't take money. I don't think Jackson threw any games, but that's why I tell my kids don't hang around people doing bad things. As for Rose, come on, he jeopardized the integrity of the game, that's a pretty big deal. And he was never sorry for it, just for getting caught. And he's a pretty obnoxious guy. Again, I'm all for letting him in the HOF despite his character flaws.

Maybe they just need a special wing for Rose, Bonds, Clemons, etc. They'd be in the Hall but the cloud over their accomplishments would go in with them.

[dbackjon]

All the Black Sox players were acquitted in court. Doesn't mean they didn't take money. I don't think Jackson threw any games, but that's why I tell my kids don't hang around people doing bad things. As for Rose, come on, he jeopardized the integrity of the game, that's a pretty big deal. And he was never sorry for it, just for getting caught. And he's a pretty obnoxious guy. Again, I'm all for letting him in the HOF despite his character flaws.

Maybe they just need a special wing for Rose, Bonds, Clemons, etc. They'd be in the Hall but the cloud over their accomplishments would go in with them.

Special side entrance

[CID1990]

Maybe they just need a special wing for Rose, Bonds, Clemons, etc. They'd be in the Hall but the cloud over their accomplishments would go in with them.

Special side entrance

I figured you for a rear entrance, Jon


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[Gil Dobie]

How many remember Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle being banned from baseball for becoming greeters at an Atlantic City casino?