89Hen wrote:
Looked like a catch to me (I didn't get to watch the game). The second defender that hit him did NOT use the top of his helmet. It was facemask to helmet but only because he got hit by the first defender which changed Collie's position. IMO there is no way he gets a fine for this one.
I agree - Collie ended up being pinballed there - the first hit was absolutely clean, the guy did a great job of leading with his shoulder, and made a completely clean hit. The second tackler did make helmet to helmet contact, but at least in his case, I don't think he was aiming for that - if Collie hadn't been hit right before that I don't think the helmet to helmet contact happens. If they want to treat it like high sticking in hockey (i.e. it doesn't matter the intent, if you lose control of the stick, or helmet in this case, and you hit with it, it's still a penalty) then that's fine with me, but they didn't even call that originally. I think the refs erred on the defenseless part - the catch had been made and he made a move, but refs aren't perfect obviously.
The first hit was perfectly legal, but caused the receiver to turn in such a way that the second hit resulted in helmet to helmet contact. If you want to hold players responsible regardless of intent you have to call it both ways. I could just as easily blame the receiver for initiating the contact since he is the one who changed direction, not the second defensive player.
The other problem I have with the play is why didn't the Eagles challenge the ruling of incomplete pass? I'm pretty sure complete/incomplete is reviewable. I think the ref's really screwed this play up.
GannonFan wrote:
I agree - Collie ended up being pinballed there - the first hit was absolutely clean, the guy did a great job of leading with his shoulder, and made a completely clean hit. The second tackler did make helmet to helmet contact, but at least in his case, I don't think he was aiming for that - if Collie hadn't been hit right before that I don't think the helmet to helmet contact happens. If they want to treat it like high sticking in hockey (i.e. it doesn't matter the intent, if you lose control of the stick, or helmet in this case, and you hit with it, it's still a penalty) then that's fine with me, but they didn't even call that originally. I think the refs erred on the defenseless part - the catch had been made and he made a move, but refs aren't perfect obviously.
The first hit was perfectly legal, but caused the receiver to turn in such a way that the second hit resulted in helmet to helmet contact. If you want to hold players responsible regardless of intent you have to call it both ways. I could just as easily blame the receiver for initiating the contact since he is the one who changed direction, not the second defensive player.
The other problem I have with the play is why didn't the Eagles challenge the ruling of incomplete pass? I'm pretty sure complete/incomplete is reviewable. I think the ref's really screwed this play up.
Here's my deal. Two helmets touching does not cause concussions. Players launching themselves into each other helmet first does occasionally. If you want to make that illegal, that's one thing. But throwing the flag anytime helmets touch is another, and completely F'ing stupid.
BlueHen86 wrote:
The first hit was perfectly legal, but caused the receiver to turn in such a way that the second hit resulted in helmet to helmet contact. If you want to hold players responsible regardless of intent you have to call it both ways. I could just as easily blame the receiver for initiating the contact since he is the one who changed direction, not the second defensive player.
The other problem I have with the play is why didn't the Eagles challenge the ruling of incomplete pass? I'm pretty sure complete/incomplete is reviewable. I think the ref's really screwed this play up.
Here's my deal. Two helmets touching does not cause concussions. Players launching themselves into each other helmet first does occasionally. If you want to make that illegal, that's one thing. But throwing the flag anytime helmets touch is another, and completely F'ing stupid.
+1000!!!
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"Yes, well, Towson actually."
BlueHen86 wrote:
The first hit was perfectly legal, but caused the receiver to turn in such a way that the second hit resulted in helmet to helmet contact. If you want to hold players responsible regardless of intent you have to call it both ways. I could just as easily blame the receiver for initiating the contact since he is the one who changed direction, not the second defensive player.
The other problem I have with the play is why didn't the Eagles challenge the ruling of incomplete pass? I'm pretty sure complete/incomplete is reviewable. I think the ref's really screwed this play up.
Here's my deal. Two helmets touching does not cause concussions. Players launching themselves into each other helmet first does occasionally. If you want to make that illegal, that's one thing. But throwing the flag anytime helmets touch is another, and completely F'ing stupid.
Agreed. It's almost a s dumb as throwing a flag just because the defenders hand touched Payton Mannings helmet.
