Joe Paterno's Punishment

[dal4018]

Of course you can't punish a dead person's body or mind. Isn't it wonderful that when someone asks which head coach lead his team to the most victories in major college history, it will be Joe Paterno. All this crap happened with his knowledge, and a couple generations from now it may be Joe Paterno still on top of the record book lists, and all that crap will not be known by future generations that passively look at the lists, and think what a great coach he must have been, unless they research Paterno's past. IMO, this is worse than paying players and giving gifts.

That's the way it goes Gil. You can't rewrite history just because a hero falls from grace.

Benedict Arnold was one of our greatest leaders during the Revolutionary war. All he is remembered for now is being a traitor. Paterno holds the wins record, it's a fact that can't be changed, but all people will remember him for is the Sandusky incident.

Your right about Arnold he was responsible for victory at Fort Ticonderoga I believe but never received credit for it or gotten an upgrade in rank.

[Gil Dobie]

Your right about Arnold he was responsible for victory at Fort Ticonderoga I believe but never received credit for it or gotten an upgrade in rank.

Most people learn about Benedict Arnold in history class. I don't remember learning about any football coaches in history class. The average football fan in the future will look at his record and consider the greatness of Paterno by his rank on a list.

[dal4018]

Your right about Arnold he was responsible for victory at Fort Ticonderoga I believe but never received credit for it or gotten an upgrade in rank.

Most people learn about Benedict Arnold in history class. I don't remember learning about any football coaches in history class. The average football fan in the future will look at his record and consider the greatness of Paterno by his rank on a list.

Agreed but, even on history class ppl were lied about and Arnold was no ,exception his record was impeccable on the field but history portrayed, as a sellout when in actuality he was not others ,were very envious of him and how he carried himself away from the battlefield.I found out about his true story on The History Channel.Unfortunately football coaches are not recognized in history class its a shame some do great things away from the field.

[BlueHen86]

Your right about Arnold he was responsible for victory at Fort Ticonderoga I believe but never received credit for it or gotten an upgrade in rank.

Most people learn about Benedict Arnold in history class. I don't remember learning about any football coaches in history class. The average football fan in the future will look at his record and consider the greatness of Paterno by his rank on a list.

Yup, and then they'll be told about the scandal that cost Paterno his job and his legacy. It's not like Joe Pa is getting a pass here. Just like people know that Arnold was a traitor, they'll know that one of the greatest coaches of all time stood by and allowed a pedophile continued access to children.

Like it or not, the record is his and that shouldn't be changed because of the Sandusky affair.

[Gil Dobie]

NCAA is vacating all wins since 1998, therefore removing Paterno's legacy from the top of the wins list.

Glad to hear they took my advise

Wiki is already updated to reflect the punishment. Gagliardi is still #1, Eddie Robinson #2, and Bobby Bowdon #3.

Hope the NCAA will do something for the kids that were molested.

[clenz]

112 wins....gone

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[ASUG8]

I still think the NCAA taking away games/championships is a dumb rule. You can't change the past by just pretending it never happened. That's why I'm in favor of keeping the statue up and having his name still around the university. But I would move the statue into a building where the history of the school is kept (if there is one). We should never try to delete the past no matter how terrible it was, but rather learn from it.

That statue wouldn't last an hour after the NCAA drops its punishment on the university. I always felt that Joe was a good guy and good coach, but he clearly lacked the moral fiber to do the right thing - being loyal and supportive of a colleague is a noble thing TO A POINT, but protecting a pedophile is inexcusable.

[Gil Dobie]

I still think the NCAA taking away games/championships is a dumb rule. You can't change the past by just pretending it never happened. That's why I'm in favor of keeping the statue up and having his name still around the university. But I would move the statue into a building where the history of the school is kept (if there is one). We should never try to delete the past no matter how terrible it was, but rather learn from it.

Taking away the games takes away the view of Paterno in the future. He is not longer the great coach on top of the all-time wins list.

[clenz]

NCAA is vacating all wins since 1998, therefore removing Paterno's legacy from the top of the wins list.

Glad to hear they took my advise

Wiki is already updated to reflect the punishment. Gagliardi is still #1, Eddie Robinson #2, and Bobby Bowdon #3.

Hope the NCAA will do something for the kids that were molested.

With this....Joe drops to 298 wins....

[clenz]

I still think the NCAA taking away games/championships is a dumb rule. You can't change the past by just pretending it never happened. That's why I'm in favor of keeping the statue up and having his name still around the university. But I would move the statue into a building where the history of the school is kept (if there is one). We should never try to delete the past no matter how terrible it was, but rather learn from it.

Taking away the games takes away the view of Paterno in the future. He is not longer the great coach on top of the all-time wins list.

This. What the NCAA is doing - and Penn St appears to be doing is to basically remove Paterno/Spanier/Sandusky/etc... from Penn State completely so that they can find something new to build on.


I think Joe's name will be taken from the library but Sue's name might stay. It will likely be the Sue Paterno library

[Ibanez]

Of course you can't punish a dead person's body or mind. Isn't it wonderful that when someone asks which head coach lead his team to the most victories in major college history, it will be Joe Paterno. All this crap happened with his knowledge, and a couple generations from now it may be Joe Paterno still on top of the record book lists, and all that crap will not be known by future generations that passively look at the lists, and think what a great coach he must have been, unless they research Paterno's past. IMO, this is worse than paying players and giving gifts.

That's the way it goes Gil. You can't rewrite history just because a hero falls from grace.

Benedict Arnold was one of our greatest leaders during the Revolutionary war. All he is remembered for now is being a traitor. Paterno holds the wins record, it's a fact that can't be changed, but all people will remember him for is the Sandusky incident.

Benedict Arnold was an exceptional leader but was constantly overshadowed. He was a huge loss when he defected.

[Ibanez]

Most people learn about Benedict Arnold in history class. I don't remember learning about any football coaches in history class. The average football fan in the future will look at his record and consider the greatness of Paterno by his rank on a list.

Agreed but, even on history class ppl were lied about and Arnold was no ,exception his record was impeccable on the field but history portrayed, as a sellout when in actuality he was not others ,were very envious of him and how he carried himself away from the battlefield.I found out about his true story on The History Channel.Unfortunately football coaches are not recognized in history class its a shame some do great things away from the field.

Arnold was a sell out. He was a traitor. However, he searched for glory and even though he was an increadible leader and had many glorious events in battle, he never got the glory. He was also passed over.

[GannonFan]

Agreed but, even on history class ppl were lied about and Arnold was no ,exception his record was impeccable on the field but history portrayed, as a sellout when in actuality he was not others ,were very envious of him and how he carried himself away from the battlefield.I found out about his true story on The History Channel.Unfortunately football coaches are not recognized in history class its a shame some do great things away from the field.

Arnold was a sell out. He was a traitor. However, he searched for glory and even though he was an increadible leader and had many glorious events in battle, he never got the glory. He was also passed over.

He was also a vanglory and egotistic opportunist. Great general, certainly, but he did a lot of crappy things even before he turned traitor. Doesn't take away his enormous feats (Quebec, Valcour Island, Saratoga) in helping this country to be realized, but he had many flaws that came to a head in him selling out his same country.

[Ibanez]

Arnold was a sell out. He was a traitor. However, he searched for glory and even though he was an increadible leader and had many glorious events in battle, he never got the glory. He was also passed over.

He was also a vanglory and egotistic opportunist. Great general, certainly, but he did a lot of crappy things even before he turned traitor. Doesn't take away his enormous feats (Quebec, Valcour Island, Saratoga) in helping this country to be realized, but he had many flaws that came to a head in him selling out his same country.

He was. Obviously pride was his ultimate, major flaw. Gates was equally an opportunist. But keep in mind, in 18th century warfare, officers sought out glory as a testament of thier skill and to advance. His skill at Saratoga cannot be ignored. Saratoga is the turning point in the war. Arnold was not supposed to be at that Battle (the 2nd battle) but against orders he rode, fought. His capture of Breymann's redoubt, exposing the Brits was a key point in the battle. Gates was an opporunist who recieved all the glory for Saratoga only to be humiliated as he fled Camden with his staff and soldiers way behind him.


Btw, do you mean vainglory vice vanglory?

[GannonFan]

He was also a vanglory and egotistic opportunist. Great general, certainly, but he did a lot of crappy things even before he turned traitor. Doesn't take away his enormous feats (Quebec, Valcour Island, Saratoga) in helping this country to be realized, but he had many flaws that came to a head in him selling out his same country.

He was. Obviously pride was his ultimate, major flaw. Gates was equally an opportunist. But keep in mind, in 18th century warfare, officers sought out glory as a testament of thier skill and to advance. His skill at Saratoga cannot be ignored. Saratoga is the turning point in the war. Arnold was not supposed to be at that Battle (the 2nd battle) but against orders he rode, fought. His capture of Breymann's redoubt, exposing the Brits was a key point in the battle. Gates was an opporunist who recieved all the glory for Saratoga only to be humiliated as he fled Camden with his staff and soldiers way behind him.


Btw, do you mean vainglory vice vanglory?

Yes, I did - darn spelling. I agree, and Gates is clearly a guy who tried to seize some glory and got exposed as a fraud. At least Arnold could lead and fight, but both were poor examples of leading men during the war for their various personal flaws. Makes you appreciate the tightrope Washington walked and why he ended up being so beloved and honored - he was a shining star compared to many around him (outside his own inner circle).

[Ibanez]

He was. Obviously pride was his ultimate, major flaw. Gates was equally an opportunist. But keep in mind, in 18th century warfare, officers sought out glory as a testament of thier skill and to advance. His skill at Saratoga cannot be ignored. Saratoga is the turning point in the war. Arnold was not supposed to be at that Battle (the 2nd battle) but against orders he rode, fought. His capture of Breymann's redoubt, exposing the Brits was a key point in the battle. Gates was an opporunist who recieved all the glory for Saratoga only to be humiliated as he fled Camden with his staff and soldiers way behind him.


Btw, do you mean vainglory vice vanglory?

Yes, I did - darn spelling. I agree, and Gates is clearly a guy who tried to seize some glory and got exposed as a fraud. At least Arnold could lead and fight, but both were poor examples of leading men during the war for their various personal flaws. Makes you appreciate the tightrope Washington walked and why he ended up being so beloved and honored - he was a shining star compared to many around him (outside his own inner circle).

Noone is perfect. Washington was timid, but he knew how to play the game. He excersized soch diplomacy in his dealings with his staff and Congress.

[YoUDeeMan]

NCAA is vacating all wins since 1998, therefore removing Paterno's legacy from the top of the wins list.

Glad to hear they took my advise

Wiki is already updated to reflect the punishment. Gagliardi is still #1, Eddie Robinson #2, and Bobby Bowdon #3.

Paterno's legacy should be only one thing...he was a selfish S.O.B. who allowed children to be raped by his friend.

Glad his name was removed from the record book.

[dal4018]

NCAA is vacating all wins since 1998, therefore removing Paterno's legacy from the top of the wins list.

Glad to hear they took my advise

Wiki is already updated to reflect the punishment. Gagliardi is still #1, Eddie Robinson #2, and Bobby Bowdon #3.

Hope the NCAA will do something for the kids that were molested.

I know that this isn't much but hopefully the 60 million that they are being fined for will help.