Redskins New Name

[89Hen]

No we don't.

Yeah, we kind of do. In sports, politics, etc...

So why did other teams change their names? A majority vote?

[BDKJMU]

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[Ibanez]

Yeah, we kind of do. In sports, politics, etc...

So why did other teams change their names? A majority vote?

You just don't get it. Continue being obtuse. The majority rules. The most votes passes the law(or not). The most points wins. This really is not a difficult concept to understand.

[CAA Flagship]

So why did other teams change their names? A majority vote?

You just don't get it. Continue being obtuse. The majority rules. The most votes passes the law(or not). The most points wins. This really is not a difficult concept to understand.

He plays golf. Less shots win.

[89Hen]

So why did other teams change their names? A majority vote?

You just don't get it. Continue being obtuse. The majority rules. The most votes passes the law(or not). The most points wins. This really is not a difficult concept to understand.

How many of the name changes of mascots were done by law? I'm not sure I know of any.

[Ibanez]

You just don't get it. Continue being obtuse. The majority rules. The most votes passes the law(or not). The most points wins. This really is not a difficult concept to understand.

How many of the name changes of mascots were done by law? I'm not sure I know of any.

You know I did not say or imply that. You continue to be annoying.

[89Hen]

You know I did not say or imply that. You continue to be annoying.

So what was your point then??

But we live in a majority rules world.

We live in a world that protects the minority because it's often the right thing to do. Mob rules is not a good mentality.

[Ibanez]

You know I did not say or imply that. You continue to be annoying.

So what was your point then??

But we live in a majority rules world.

We live in a world that protects the minority because it's often the right thing to do. Mob rules is not a good mentality.

We live in a world where the majority rules and sometimes the majority rules to protect the minority. You don't see that? Majority rule isn't always the best, but it's how things are done.

Spoiler: show

Ever put something to a family vote? If 1 out 4 wants CHicken for dinner and the other 3 want pasta, what's it going to be? Pasta.

[89Hen]

So what was your point then??

We live in a world that protects the minority because it's often the right thing to do. Mob rules is not a good mentality.

We live in a world where the majority rules and sometimes the majority rules to protect the minority. You don't see that? Majority rule isn't always the best, but it's how things are done.

Ugh, here we go round in circles...

How many of the name changes of mascots were done by law? I'm not sure I know of any.

[Ibanez]

We live in a world where the majority rules and sometimes the majority rules to protect the minority. You don't see that? Majority rule isn't always the best, but it's how things are done.

Ugh, here we go round in circles...

How many of the name changes of mascots were done by law? I'm not sure I know of any.[/quote
Thanks for conceding to my point. I don't know the answer to that. Definitely not any state or federal law. Maybe a by-law to prevent such offensive language, I don't know.


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[89Hen]

Ugh, here we go round in circles...

How many of the name changes of mascots were done by law? I'm not sure I know of any.[/quote
Thanks for conceding to my point. I don't know the answer to that. Definitely not any state or federal law. Maybe a by-law to prevent such offensive language, I don't know.


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Conceding what point? The masot name changes weren't done because a majority of anyone voted to change them. In the case of colleges and universities, I would imagine the president or BOD chose to do so because they felt it was the right thing to do. Not because a majority of students wanted it changed, or that a majority of people thought it was offensive.

[alyssa]

I've read your posts and you're one dumb ****. You do not show basic understanding. **** you. I do believe how narrow you are.
I'm not Irish. The Irish can speak for themselves. Don't drag them into this, drama queen. You stray off topic and your tactics will never work with me.

My Native American wife thinks you should quit being a bitch. So does her father. You're not smart enough to grasp my commentary. Obviously, potentially derogatory or offensive names only bother a small population. I don't think we should offend, but is there really a massive protest and outcry over a football team using a name? Also, I don't know how one is "narrow." I will say this, the Indian tribes have bigger problems then a football team using a name. Pick your battles. This name is nothing in comparison to the real problems. People aren't going around calling Indians "savages", "redskin" , " brass ankles" or anything like that. Your are creating a problem out of nothing. It isn't the New Mexico Wetbacks or the Atlanta Field Hands.


Use the name to promote tolerance and understanding.

I'm not a bitch for taking up for my tribes. I learned to be a Shaman beginning at 6 years old. What I say are from their teachings. Too bad you feel you cannot stand up alone. I am standing up alone. I'm smart in certain subjects and this is one of them. "Mumupicoli eh puvupi" (keyu vi mu) probably have been stripped too much of the knowledge their ancestors would have passed down to them. Fucholi lee probably don't know any better.
I face racists words to us Indians everyday, including hearing the "R" word, which means a skinned by bounty hunters Indigenous person in order to collect money for the murdered Indian while carrying out genocide against them. It does not mean the colour of our skin. The bounty hunters had problems with a bunch of dead Indian bodies such as storage, weight, bulk, decaying bodies etc. that it was much easier to skin the "red man" of his scalp or his genitals. The bounty hunters were paid more for an Indian man, then Indian woman and then an Indian child. The "R" word is a racist word against us and a word of genocide against us. This comes from elders who taught us. "Mumupicoli eh puvupi" obviously don't have that.
I am not creating a problem out of nothing. There is history behind it and I didn't create that history.
Also, a federally recognised tribe I am a member of is wealthy and everyone is taken care of quite well if they are willing to accept the care even if each individual is not wealthy.
The tribe that I belong to that is not federally recognised is a lot smaller and everyone is wealthy. None of us are poor like some tribes. I can sell an acre of land at a time for a lot of money.

[alyssa]

I know mascot has many definitions. It means pet. We don't want to be pets because we are human beings.
Mascot can be a charm like a shrunken head that carries magic like a soul trapped inside it.
Mascot is skinwalking. In skinwalking we can take an animal like a buffalo and skin it and wear its skin to (magically) become a buffalo. This is how humans can become something else. This is what you are seeing with costumes. It's the same thing and it is inappropriate to do that to another person. The Washington NFL team is called R******* (I can't say or spell the word). To us that means a skinned (dead) Indian person.
It just goes on forever.

Washington uses a racist word as a mascot name. That's really all one needs to know in order to know it shouldn't be used. It's really that simple to understand. But there are still people who refuse. That tells you where they are.

Do you really believe that the management of the Washington franchise, it's employees, and it's fans associate the name "Redskins" with skinned (dead) Indian persons? To you it may be considered a derogatory word. But the people who use the word don't have any derogatory slant at all. That is an important piece of this conversation.
But I hear what you are saying. If just one side has a problem with it, or is using the term in a derogatory way, then that makes it wrong. In this case, I don't see it being used in an evil manner. I've talked to people in their 70's and 80's that still refer to blacks as "colored" people. In most cases, it is not meant to be derogatory. It's just that they have not evolved with the times to use alternate language to illustrate the same meaning. This is a situation where you are the one that objects to the use of the term.

Now to get this straight, are you against Redskins but OK with tribe names such as Seminole and Sioux, or are you against all Indian references? You say that mascots should not be people but there are many mascots that are including Engineers, Lumberjacks, Mountaineers, Explorers, Colonels, Mariners, Generals, Captains, Trolls , Matadors, Farmers, Pirates, Buccaneers, Raiders, Magicians, Marauders, etc. (I know several Marauders and they don't seem to care. OK. Just kidding. ). The point is that these are people who wore, or still wear, distinct outfits and lived, or still live, distinct lifestyles. When Indian mascots are portrayed in athletics, it is with feathers, leather vests, war paint, etc. This is more of a historical reference than a present day one. It's not like they are dressed like Black Jack dealers and called Indians (by the way, that would be a good mascot because those **** never lose ). I guess what I am saying is that I'm OK that you look for change, but don't feel like the term is being used in a derogatory way.

I was typing out a long answer for you and one of the cats jumped up on the keyboard and everything was instantly gone. I'll have to answer you later.

[Ibanez]

My Native American wife thinks you should quit being a bitch. So does her father. You're not smart enough to grasp my commentary. Obviously, potentially derogatory or offensive names only bother a small population. I don't think we should offend, but is there really a massive protest and outcry over a football team using a name? Also, I don't know how one is "narrow." I will say this, the Indian tribes have bigger problems then a football team using a name. Pick your battles. This name is nothing in comparison to the real problems. People aren't going around calling Indians "savages", "redskin" , " brass ankles" or anything like that. Your are creating a problem out of nothing. It isn't the New Mexico Wetbacks or the Atlanta Field Hands.


Use the name to promote tolerance and understanding.

I'm not a bitch for taking up for my tribes. I learned to be a Shaman beginning at 6 years old. What I say are from their teachings. Too bad you feel you cannot stand up alone. I am standing up alone. I'm smart in certain subjects and this is one of them. "Mumupicoli eh puvupi" (keyu vi mu) probably have been stripped too much of the knowledge their ancestors would have passed down to them. Fucholi lee probably don't know any better.
I face racists words to us Indians everyday, including hearing the "R" word, which means a skinned by bounty hunters Indigenous person in order to collect money for the murdered Indian while carrying out genocide against them. It does not mean the colour of our skin. The bounty hunters had problems with a bunch of dead Indian bodies such as storage, weight, bulk, decaying bodies etc. that it was much easier to skin the "red man" of his scalp or his genitals. The bounty hunters were paid more for an Indian man, then Indian woman and then an Indian child. The "R" word is a racist word against us and a word of genocide against us. This comes from elders who taught us. "Mumupicoli eh puvupi" obviously don't have that.
I am not creating a problem out of nothing. There is history behind it and I didn't create that history.
Also, a federally recognised tribe I am a member of is wealthy and everyone is taken care of quite well if they are willing to accept the care even if each individual is not wealthy.
The tribe that I belong to that is not federally recognised is a lot smaller and everyone is wealthy. None of us are poor like some tribes. I can sell an acre of land at a time for a lot of money.

I have yet to see and historical documentation that states a skinned human being called a red skin. I'd love to see what original documentation you have. I fear you have been lied to, much like the idea that Jews rule the world, the Gov't gave blacks AIDS and white people love mayonnaise.

There is documentation that a Canadian tribe (Bothuk?) probably originated the term b/c the would paint their bodies red. Another fact is that Indians would call themselves Redskin as to distinguish themselves, that is according to the Smithsonian. In trade with the French, Indians would frequently use the term to describe indians. White men took that term and made it vulgar. I suggest you research the word.


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I found an article for you. Note how the Indian claims the bounties but has no proof of it.

Harjo argues that pejorative use of "redskin" grew from the practice of offering bounties to anyone who killed Indians. Bounty hunters "needed proof of kill, but they had a storage problem," she said. "Instead of a body, they accepted the 'redskin' or the genitalia, or scalps."

But while such bounty proclamations were issued as early as the mid-18th century, Harjo acknowledged that she has not found an early instance of "redskin" in such a context.

Team names are chosen because they resemble something strong, proud, Patriotic. Team names are chosen to honor something. There is respect behind a team name. It may be offensive to you, but the intent is not there.

[Ibanez]

Do you really believe that the management of the Washington franchise, it's employees, and it's fans associate the name "Redskins" with skinned (dead) Indian persons? To you it may be considered a derogatory word. But the people who use the word don't have any derogatory slant at all. That is an important piece of this conversation.
But I hear what you are saying. If just one side has a problem with it, or is using the term in a derogatory way, then that makes it wrong. In this case, I don't see it being used in an evil manner. I've talked to people in their 70's and 80's that still refer to blacks as "colored" people. In most cases, it is not meant to be derogatory. It's just that they have not evolved with the times to use alternate language to illustrate the same meaning. This is a situation where you are the one that objects to the use of the term.

Now to get this straight, are you against Redskins but OK with tribe names such as Seminole and Sioux, or are you against all Indian references? You say that mascots should not be people but there are many mascots that are including Engineers, Lumberjacks, Mountaineers, Explorers, Colonels, Mariners, Generals, Captains, Trolls , Matadors, Farmers, Pirates, Buccaneers, Raiders, Magicians, Marauders, etc. (I know several Marauders and they don't seem to care. OK. Just kidding. ). The point is that these are people who wore, or still wear, distinct outfits and lived, or still live, distinct lifestyles. When Indian mascots are portrayed in athletics, it is with feathers, leather vests, war paint, etc. This is more of a historical reference than a present day one. It's not like they are dressed like Black Jack dealers and called Indians (by the way, that would be a good mascot because those **** never lose ). I guess what I am saying is that I'm OK that you look for change, but don't feel like the term is being used in a derogatory way.

I was typing out a long answer for you and one of the cats jumped up on the keyboard and everything was instantly gone. I'll have to answer you later.

Super Hornet?

[andy7171]

I was typing out a long answer for you and one of the cats jumped up on the keyboard and everything was instantly gone. I'll have to answer you later.

[CAA Flagship]

I was typing out a long answer for you and one of the cats jumped up on the keyboard and everything was instantly gone. I'll have to answer you later.

That cat may be skinned now.

Sorry. Bad joke.

[89Hen]

Team names are chosen because they resemble something strong, proud, Patriotic. Team names are chosen to honor something. There is respect behind a team name. It may be offensive to you, but the intent is not there.

So not only do you believe the Redskin name is not offensive, you actually think it's meant to honor native Americans?

[Ibanez]

Team names are chosen because they resemble something strong, proud, Patriotic. Team names are chosen to honor something. There is respect behind a team name. It may be offensive to you, but the intent is not there.

So not only do you believe the Redskin name is not offensive, you actually think it's meant to honor native Americans?

It's common sense and based off some reading I did on team names.

[andy7171]

Team names are chosen because they resemble something strong, proud, Patriotic. Team names are chosen to honor something. There is respect behind a team name. It may be offensive to you, but the intent is not there.

So not only do you believe the Redskin name is not offensive, you actually think it's meant to honor native Americans?

Why would a team choose to name themselves something other than that? Not too many teams called the Fightin' Farsighted Weaklings. Well I guess maybe in soccer leagues, but no where else.

[Ibanez]

So not only do you believe the Redskin name is not offensive, you actually think it's meant to honor native Americans?

Why would a team choose to name themselves something other than that? Not too many teams called the Fightin' Farsighted Weaklings. Well I guess maybe in soccer leagues, but no where else.

Exactly my point. Finally, someone gets it.

[alyssa]

Team names should be of a power animal not what someone thinks he is honouring.

Those poor cats I have want attention. All of them have been abandoned except for the kittens born after their moms were thrown out. Because I have money and space the security cameras and guards on the property often find people leaving their pets outside my property. One of my cousin's wife who live miles down the road allows people to throw their unwanted animals over her fences to be cared for. People have left more cows, horses and donkeys over the last year or two.

This is from Charlene's website.

http://www.aics.org/mascot/redskins.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I haven't read every word of this page on her site yet and I'm too busy to do so right now. I'm teaching today, running, Spanish and Italian. Then I have to go help an Indian woman who lost her baby yesterday. And then I may not want to because that "R" word will never change for me as an offensive word, a word of bad medicine.

http://www.aistm.org/1indexpage.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[89Hen]

So not only do you believe the Redskin name is not offensive, you actually think it's meant to honor native Americans?

It's common sense and based off some reading I did on team names.

I'm about as far from a PC nazi as anyone, but your position makes no sense to me.

White men took that term and made it vulgar.

White men named the team, so it is vulgar, yet honors them. Original Redskins fight song...

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail, victory!
Braves on the warpath!
Fight for Old D.C.!

Scalp 'em, swamp 'um
We will take 'um big score
Read 'um, Weep 'um, touchdown
We want heap more

Fight on, fight on, till you have won
Sons of Washington
Rah! Rah! Rah!

Yeah, real honorable. GMAFB.

[89Hen]

Why would a team choose to name themselves something other than that? Not too many teams called the Fightin' Farsighted Weaklings. Well I guess maybe in soccer leagues, but no where else.

Exactly my point. Finally, someone gets it.

You do know Andy is a biased source?

Braves = honorable
Warriors = honorable
Seminoles = honorable
Darkies =

[andy7171]

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