Redskins New Name

[89Hen]

HHmmmmm.

Point?

[Ibanez]

It's common sense and based off some reading I did on team names.

I'm about as far from a PC nazi as anyone, but your position makes no sense to me.

White men took that term and made it vulgar.

White men named the team, so it is vulgar, yet honors them. Original Redskins fight song...

Hail to the Redskins!
Hail, victory!
Braves on the warpath!
Fight for Old D.C.!

Scalp 'em, swamp 'um
We will take 'um big score
Read 'um, Weep 'um, touchdown
We want heap more

Fight on, fight on, till you have won
Sons of Washington
Rah! Rah! Rah!

Yeah, real honorable. GMAFB.

Yeah, that fight song is bad. However, the team was named the Redskins and it was not an attempt to disparage Indians.

[Ibanez]

HHmmmmm.

Point?

Indians scalped white men?

[89Hen]

Yeah, that fight song is bad. However, the team was named the Redskins and it was not an attempt to disparage Indians.

No, it was to honor them.

[Ibanez]

Yeah, that fight song is bad. However, the team was named the Redskins and it was not an attempt to disparage Indians.

No, it was to honor them.

Yes, That's according to a few histories i've read on the Washington Redskins. Same goes for the Patriots. Should we changed the Vikings name? How about the Pirates? Buccaneers?

[89Hen]

No, it was to honor them.

Yes, That's according to a few histories i've read on the Washington Redskins. Same goes for the Patriots. Should we changed the Vikings name? How about the Pirates? Buccaneers?

If you honestly think the Redskins named the team to honor native Americans then we are done discussing.

AFAIK, there are no Patriots, Vikings, Pirates or Buccaneers living other than Somali pirates and I don't see this guy on the logo...



BTW, stop reading Dan Snyder history.

[andy7171]

"We'll never change the name. It's that simple. NEVER — you can use caps."
-Dan Snyder

[89Hen]

"Jim Zorn is the right man for the job." - Dan Snyder

"Albert Haynesworth is worth $100M." - Dan Snyder

"I'm looking out for fan safety by not allowing anyone to walk to the game. It's much safer for them to pay $30 for parking and take a bus the last mile." - Dan Snyder

[Ibanez]

Yes, That's according to a few histories i've read on the Washington Redskins. Same goes for the Patriots. Should we changed the Vikings name? How about the Pirates? Buccaneers?

If you honestly think the Redskins named the team to honor native Americans then we are done discussing.

AFAIK, there are no Patriots, Vikings, Pirates or Buccaneers living other than Somali pirates and I don't see this guy on the logo...



BTW, stop reading Dan Snyder history.

Patriots and the ancestors of Vikings still exist.

No, this was an old history. It was about the transition from the Boston Braves and all that.

[89Hen]

Patriots and the ancestors of Vikings still exist.

It's clear you aren't going to be swayed so let's move on. What do you think the new will be when it's changed?

[Ibanez]

Patriots and the ancestors of Vikings still exist.

It's clear you aren't going to be swayed so let's move on. What do you think the new will be when it's changed?

Something that resembles the location, history and tradition of the team and/or Washington. I doubt it would be something like the Senators. How about the Washington Colonials?

[89Hen]

It's clear you aren't going to be swayed so let's move on. What do you think the new will be when it's changed?

Something that resembles the location, history and tradition of the team and/or Washington. I doubt it would be something like the Senators. How about the Washington Colonials?

Not a bad option. Any new name sucks at first. I was not a fan of the name "Nationals" at first, but I like it now. Still think the Wizards is stupid though.

[dbackjon]

So Ibanez, tell me more about your Native American wife.

What tribe is she, what reservation did she grow up on?

[DSUrocks07]

Yes, That's according to a few histories i've read on the Washington Redskins. Same goes for the Patriots. Should we changed the Vikings name? How about the Pirates? Buccaneers?

If you honestly think the Redskins named the team to honor native Americans then we are done discussing.

AFAIK, there are no Patriots, Vikings, Pirates or Buccaneers living other than Somali pirates and I don't see this guy on the logo...



BTW, stop reading Dan Snyder history.

Are you saying they did it to intentionally belittle and disparage Native Americans?

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[Ibanez]

So Ibanez, tell me more about your Native American wife.

What tribe is she, what reservation did she grow up on?

Her heritage is Wassassmasaw. She's a member and the family is active in the tribe, although not as much as they used to be. There is no reservation. She grew up on various military bases along the Eastern Seaboard and Ecuador.

The Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians is a Native American group consisting of bloodline members from the Varnertown Indian community. The Varnertown Indians are descendants from several settlement Indians whose bloodlines include Catawba, Cherokee, and Edisto. The Varnertown Indian community has over a 150 year history of existence in Berkeley County as a separate Native American community.
There are eight (8) distinct sir names to which the Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians can trace back Native ancestry to:

Broad
Burbage
Clark
Dangerfield
Driggers
Huff
Varner
Williams

http://wassamasawtribe.com/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ibanez]

If you honestly think the Redskins named the team to honor native Americans then we are done discussing.

AFAIK, there are no Patriots, Vikings, Pirates or Buccaneers living other than Somali pirates and I don't see this guy on the logo...



BTW, stop reading Dan Snyder history.

Are you saying they did it to intentionally belittle and disparage Native Americans?

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Yes. The Cuckamonga Cracka Killas was taken.

[ASUMountaineer]

It's clear you aren't going to be swayed so let's move on. What do you think the new will be when it's changed?

Something that resembles the location, history and tradition of the team and/or Washington. I doubt it would be something like the Senators. How about the Washington Colonials?

Already suggested, by me, in this thread. Boss!

[ASUMountaineer]

So Ibanez, tell me more about your Native American wife.

What tribe is she, what reservation did she grow up on?

Her heritage is Wassassmasaw. She's a member and the family is active in the tribe, although not as much as they used to be. There is no reservation. She grew up on various military bases along the Eastern Seaboard and Ecuador.

The Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians is a Native American group consisting of bloodline members from the Varnertown Indian community. The Varnertown Indians are descendants from several settlement Indians whose bloodlines include Catawba, Cherokee, and Edisto. The Varnertown Indian community has over a 150 year history of existence in Berkeley County as a separate Native American community.
There are eight (8) distinct sir names to which the Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians can trace back Native ancestry to:

Broad
Burbage
Clark
Dangerfield
Driggers
Huff
Varner
Williams

http://wassamasawtribe.com/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't think that was the answer he was looking for...

[dbackjon]

So Ibanez, tell me more about your Native American wife.

What tribe is she, what reservation did she grow up on?

Her heritage is Wassassmasaw. She's a member and the family is active in the tribe, although not as much as they used to be. There is no reservation. She grew up on various military bases along the Eastern Seaboard and Ecuador.

The Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians is a Native American group consisting of bloodline members from the Varnertown Indian community. The Varnertown Indians are descendants from several settlement Indians whose bloodlines include Catawba, Cherokee, and Edisto. The Varnertown Indian community has over a 150 year history of existence in Berkeley County as a separate Native American community.
There are eight (8) distinct sir names to which the Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians can trace back Native ancestry to:

Broad
Burbage
Clark
Dangerfield
Driggers
Huff
Varner
Williams

http://wassamasawtribe.com/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting - never heard of them. What % Wassamasaw is she?

[dbackjon]

Her heritage is Wassassmasaw. She's a member and the family is active in the tribe, although not as much as they used to be. There is no reservation. She grew up on various military bases along the Eastern Seaboard and Ecuador.



http://wassamasawtribe.com/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't think that was the answer he was looking for...

What answer was I looking for?

[Ibanez]

Her heritage is Wassassmasaw. She's a member and the family is active in the tribe, although not as much as they used to be. There is no reservation. She grew up on various military bases along the Eastern Seaboard and Ecuador.



http://wassamasawtribe.com/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting - never heard of them. What % Wassamasaw is she?

Not surprising. Why do you care?

[89Hen]

Are you saying they did it to intentionally belittle and disparage Native Americans?

No, but do you think it's OK for a person who grew up in the 50's to refer to blacks as 'colored'. Keep in mind that they grew up not thinking it belittled or disparaged blacks... that's just what they were called.

[Ibanez]

Her heritage is Wassassmasaw. She's a member and the family is active in the tribe, although not as much as they used to be. There is no reservation. She grew up on various military bases along the Eastern Seaboard and Ecuador.



http://wassamasawtribe.com/history.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't think that was the answer he was looking for...

I'm not sure what he was looking for. Many people today are so far removed from their ancestral heritage. You see those 4 names up there Jon? 5 Of them are in the family tree. 5 of them repeat many, many many times. I don't give a fuck what percentage she is. The only...ONLY term she finds offensive as it relates to heritage is....

[89Hen]

Something that resembles the location, history and tradition of the team and/or Washington. I doubt it would be something like the Senators. How about the Washington Colonials?

Already suggested, by me, in this thread. Boss!

It sounded better when Mark proposed it. Maybe his southern accent isn't as thick as yours.

[Ibanez]

Already suggested, by me, in this thread. Boss!

It sounded better when Mark proposed it. Maybe his southern accent isn't as thick as yours.

Elocution lessons come in handy.