US SOCCER

[89Hen]

Well, Jurgen is finally out. Looks like Bruce Arena will replace him, either as an interim or permanent replacement.

Arena could be a good retread - he's won as the USMT coach before and can certainly do it again.

So you mean like no progress in 20 years. Holy shit, are you tired of me being right yet?

[89Hen]

Not really hard to understand is it? I watch Olympic swimming. I watch Wimbledon (some). I watch Nationals games.

So you watch things that you don't enjoy just for the sake of saying you watched it?

Or I watch things that have added interest beyond the game.

[GannonFan]

Arena could be a good retread - he's won as the USMT coach before and can certainly do it again.

So you mean like no progress in 20 years. Holy ****, are you tired of me being right yet?

I thought we had agreed on no progess in the last 16 years? I'm glad you ratcheted down the diatribe from the previously erroneous 30 years to now 20, but you're still throwing out numbers that don't jibe. Keep at it.

[89Hen]

So you mean like no progress in 20 years. Holy ****, are you tired of me being right yet?

I thought we had agreed on no progess in the last 16 years? I'm glad you ratcheted down the diatribe from the previously erroneous 30 years to now 20, but you're still throwing out numbers that don't jibe. Keep at it.

And I'm glad you're down to arguing semantics. That means my job is done here.

[bluehenbillk]

Wasn't Bruce Arena fired from this job years ago? And now the answer is to bring him back?

[GannonFan]

I thought we had agreed on no progess in the last 16 years? I'm glad you ratcheted down the diatribe from the previously erroneous 30 years to now 20, but you're still throwing out numbers that don't jibe. Keep at it.

And I'm glad you're down to arguing semantics. That means my job is done here.

You're now saying the difference between saying there's no progress in the last 30 years (when there clearly was) versus saying there's no progress in the last 16 years is just semantics? Is that what you call facts these days?

[GannonFan]

Wasn't Bruce Arena fired from this job years ago? And now the answer is to bring him back?

Why is that so outlandish? Managers and coaches get recycled all the time in other sports, why should soccer be different? Larry Brown has coached something like 1,000 teams in his career (eh, forget the accuracy of that number, it's just semantics), yet people still kept hiring him. Dennis Green moved around in the NFL, as did many others, Mike Kennan did it in the NHL, and Dusty Baker is on what, his fourth team now?

[Grizalltheway]

So you watch things that you don't enjoy just for the sake of saying you watched it?

Or I watch things that have added interest beyond the game.

Ah, so your motivation is purely jingoistic. I'm shocked.

[bandl]

Larry Brown has coached something like 1,000 teams in his career (eh, forget the accuracy of that number, it's just semantics)

[89Hen]

And I'm glad you're down to arguing semantics. That means my job is done here.

You're now saying the difference between saying there's no progress in the last 30 years (when there clearly was) versus saying there's no progress in the last 16 years is just semantics? Is that what you call facts these days?

Haven't we covered this GF? You're being a complete asshat on this one.

For God's sake GF, you make me look a great compromiser. You're stuck on the 30 years... my math was off. Obviously if you look at this entire thread I'm really referring to 1994 time frame when all we heard was we have arrived. The future is bright. 22 freaking years later and we are no closer than we were.

[DSUrocks07]

The best coach on the market right now? Jurgen Klinsmann.

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[SDHornet]

Wasn't Bruce Arena fired from this job years ago? And now the answer is to bring him back?

Nailed it.

[CitadelGrad]

It's official. Bruce Arena.

I wonder how much longer Sunil Gulati will be around. He has made two disastrous hiring decisions in his tenure. He has had to fire coaches for the USMNT and USWNT shortly after he hired them.

[mrklean]

Maybe it's just because we have NFL, NCAAF and MLB playoffs going on, but apparently nobody has noticed the US has a must tie/win game tonight to be assured a spot in the next round of WC qualifying. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a US loss combined with a Jamaica win by 3 goals and the US doesn't even make the finals of the CONCACAF stage.

SPOT ON

Our best athletes do not play Soccer. They play Football, Basketball and Baseball. This is as good as its going to get for US Soccer. The Euros, and the South Americans are bringing their best people and we trot out out B-Team squad.

The only way I can see us competing in international soccer, is getting NCAA Football and basketball players who do not make it in the pros and convincing them to take up the sport. Then we man have a chance. But how do you get a bunch of men who most have never played the sport to take the field with men who have done this for ages? UUUMMMMMM, Just thinking............................

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe it's just because we have NFL, NCAAF and MLB playoffs going on, but apparently nobody has noticed the US has a must tie/win game tonight to be assured a spot in the next round of WC qualifying. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a US loss combined with a Jamaica win by 3 goals and the US doesn't even make the finals of the CONCACAF stage.

SPOT ON

Our best athletes do not play Soccer. They play Football, Basketball and Baseball. This is as good as its going to get for US Soccer. The Euros, and the South Americans are bringing their best people and we trot out out B-Team squad.

The only way I can see us competing in international soccer, is getting NCAA Football and basketball players who do not make it in the pros and convincing them to take up the sport. Then we man have a chance. But how do you get a bunch of men who most have never played the sport to take the field with men who have done this for ages? UUUMMMMMM, Just thinking............................

And these people are supposed to compete against players that have been playing the sport since they could walk?

[clenz]

SPOT ON

Our best athletes do not play Soccer. They play Football, Basketball and Baseball. This is as good as its going to get for US Soccer. The Euros, and the South Americans are bringing their best people and we trot out out B-Team squad.

The only way I can see us competing in international soccer, is getting NCAA Football and basketball players who do not make it in the pros and convincing them to take up the sport. Then we man have a chance. But how do you get a bunch of men who most have never played the sport to take the field with men who have done this for ages? UUUMMMMMM, Just thinking............................

And these people are supposed to compete against players that have been playing the sport since they could walk?

Could you imagine Derek Henry trying to mark Suarez, Dele, Kane, Ronaldo, etc...? Pretend for once second he could keep them in front of him, how would he not get double yellows/straight reds in every game because of how he would play them?

[tribe_pride]

Well that was quite a game.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Cough it up 89, and anyone else that has posted in here....................disgusting

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Well that was quite a game.

0-0 tie? EXCITING!!!

[tribe_pride]

Well that was quite a game.

0-0 tie? EXCITING!!!

Wrong 6-0 win.

[UNI88]

And these people are supposed to compete against players that have been playing the sport since they could walk?

Could you imagine Derek Henry trying to mark Suarez, Dele, Kane, Ronaldo, etc...? Pretend for once second he could keep them in front of him, how would he not get double yellows/straight reds in every game because of how he would play them?

I wonder how athletes like Russell Westbrook, Jamal Charles, etc. would do if they played soccer more than a Henry. Drogba was an outlier, the typical soccer star is smaller.

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[clenz]

Could you imagine Derek Henry trying to mark Suarez, Dele, Kane, Ronaldo, etc...? Pretend for once second he could keep them in front of him, how would he not get double yellows/straight reds in every game because of how he would play them?

I wonder how athletes like Russell Westbrook, Jamal Charles, etc. would do if they played soccer more than a Henry. Drogba was an outlier, the typical soccer star is smaller.

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Westbrook is still 6'3 190lbs.

He'd probably be an attacking midfielder - similar to Dele Alli. Dele is 6'2 170. He's probably the best comp there is, and it's still a bit of a flawed comp. In terms of just raw athleticism, Russ is way above more soccer players.



Harry Kane is 6'2 185, but it's a very different build than the 185 Russ plays at





I would bet a guy like Russ, if trained he grew up in an academy like they do in Europe, would have a good shot at being pretty good.

The majority of soccer players at between 5'6 and 6'1. I think the average for non-goalies is like 5'10 or 5'11. I think we are seeing a move to more guys that are 6'-6'3 and lean up front - like a Kane.

It's impossible to compare football or basketball (for the most part) players. They aren't training the same way. They are training muscle groups differently. There's zero chance a guy like Jamal Charles would have been a good soccer player (at any level) with how he was/is built. You'll almost never see a soccer player over 200, and even 190 is quite rare. That build just doesn't mix with the distance that soccer players cover every game, or day in practice. Zlatan Imrahimovic is a "tank" on the field at 6'5 209.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

0-0 tie? EXCITING!!!

Wrong 6-0 win.

Cute

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[89Hen]

USMNT is so exciting these days that nobody here is even talking about the qualifying games this week? Incredible goal by Bradley last night and the US hangs on for 1 point in a place where they don't usually get many. That point could help tremendously down the stretch.

[Grizalltheway]

USMNT is so exciting these days that nobody here is even talking about the qualifying games this week? Incredible goal by Bradley last night and the US hangs on for 1 point in a place where they don't usually get many. That point could help tremendously down the stretch.

I was watching the hockey game. By the time I turned that off in rage, this game was already over.