Kurt Warner retires

[DJH]

Warner is a much better QB than Farve. End of story, packer boy

I'm a huge warner fan and a huge UNI homer, but this statement is ridiculous.


Back on topic, Congrats on a tremendous career Kurt. Truly amazing. Awesome career, bringing two terrible franchises to the promised land and setting boat loads of records along the way.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Favre> Warner

SB titles 1-1
MVP 3-2 Favre>Warner
every stat and games played Favre>Warner

plus Warner sat behind Eli

Favre had better numbers with shittier WRs. The only place (NYG) Warner lacked in WRs is the place where he struggled.

Favre also had better #s this year. Just because he's a glory hog and Warner is a good guy doesn't make him better.

I disagree. Favre has better numbers because he played a lot longer. Warner has much better post season numbers, including several Super Bowl records. Favre is a great QB, but if I had a choice between Favre at the top of his game or Warner at the top of his, I'll take Warner. Warner didn't throw interceptions in key moments like Favre does.

Its all part of it. Favre was good enough to play that long and Warner had to start in arena/NFLE and decided he didn't wanna take the hits anymore and fuck his wife before she gets any older (51). Also there was no down point in Favre's career where he got benched like Warner. Even before the benching he was be out performed in St.Louis and was sent to NY.

Warner=HOF Favre=HOF end of story

[Screamin_Eagle174]

I'm going to play the Peyton Manning trump card. Warner, Favre, fuck yoselves.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Brady over Manning? 3>1. Montana over Manning? 4>1

[BlueHen86]

Brady over Manning? 3>1. Montana over Manning? 4>1

I rate Montana as the greatest I've ever seen. Manning has a chance to overtake him, but he needs to win some more Superbowls first.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Brady over Manning? 3>1. Montana over Manning? 4>1

I rate Montana as the greatest I've ever seen. Manning has a chance to overtake him, but he needs to win some more Superbowls first.

Give him a week will ya!? Fuckin' A!

[BlueHen86]

I rate Montana as the greatest I've ever seen. Manning has a chance to overtake him, but he needs to win some more Superbowls first.

Give him a week will ya!? Fuckin' A!

It will take more than one. Fuckin' A!

[Grizo406]

Brady over Manning? 3>1. Montana over Manning? 4>1

I rate Montana as the greatest I've ever seen. Manning has a chance to overtake him, but he needs to win some more Superbowls first.

We hear things like that quite a bit, and it NEVER gets old! Thank you!!

[Grizalltheway]

Brady over Manning? 3>1. Montana over Manning? 4>1

I rate Montana as the greatest I've ever seen. Manning has a chance to overtake him, but he needs to win some more Superbowls first.

If you're judging "greatness" solely by how many superbowls a quarterback wins, does that mean Trent Dilfer was greater than Dan Marino?

[BlueHen86]

I rate Montana as the greatest I've ever seen. Manning has a chance to overtake him, but he needs to win some more Superbowls first.

If you're judging "greatness" solely by how many superbowls a quarterback wins, does that mean Trent Dilfer was greater than Dan Marino?

I'm not judging solely on Superbowl wins, but they play a big part. Winning means alot. Joe Montana did it 4 times, with different supporting casts.

Comparing Dilfer to Marino is just plain silly. I know you are trying to be cute, but c'mon, you gotta do better than that.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Grizall. I'm a Packers fan and I still think Favre was great with just one. He was/is an Iron man. He put up the #s not just by playing long either he won 3 MVPs and had good stats most years. I was just asking what SE174 thought of Manning vs. those 2. I like Manning better than Brady for the record. If I'm taking a QB for the next 5 years it would be Manning. If I'm starting a team from the beginning I'd take Rodgers who is much younger and should have more years left in him than Manning who is also good, not Manning good.

I think Montana was the best I've seen. He got hurt quite a bit though. Manning and Favre never missed a game. Elway was a stud too but many people didn't think so until he won the last 2.

[SuperHornet]

Favre an ironman? I can't remember the last time Favre played anything other than offense. I know you're speaking to his longevity, but that analogy works only in baseball: Gehrig and Ripken. In football, an ironman plays more than one phase of the game. Baugh, Waterfield, and Van Brocklin come to mind very easily. The ultimate is Blanda, who not only played special teams in addition to quarterbacking, he lasted longer than anyone else in the history of the game.

Favre is good guy. He's played a long time. He deserves recognition for that. But a football ironman? Certainly not.

[Fresno St. Alum]

It works for Favre in football. You must be up there in age to bring in all those old timers

[BlueHen86]

Favre an ironman? I can't remember the last time Favre played anything other than offense. I know you're speaking to his longevity, but that analogy works only in baseball: Gehrig and Ripken. In football, an ironman plays more than one phase of the game. Baugh, Waterfield, and Van Brocklin come to mind very easily. The ultimate is Blanda, who not only played special teams in addition to quarterbacking, he lasted longer than anyone else in the history of the game.

Favre is good guy. He's played a long time. He deserves recognition for that. But a football ironman? Certainly not.

Athletes weren't as big or as fast back in the day when Blanda, Waterfield, Flintstone and Rubble played. Also, the seasons were shorter. What Favre has done is as good, if not better, than what any of the fossils you mentioned did. Sometimes I think you intentionally make stupid posts as if it were your schtick.

[BlueHen86]

It works for Favre in football. You must be up there in age to bring in all those old timers

No, she's just a woman who never forgets.

[Wedgebuster]

Favre an ironman? I can't remember the last time Favre played anything other than offense. I know you're speaking to his longevity, but that analogy works only in baseball: Gehrig and Ripken. In football, an ironman plays more than one phase of the game. Baugh, Waterfield, and Van Brocklin come to mind very easily. The ultimate is Blanda, who not only played special teams in addition to quarterbacking, he lasted longer than anyone else in the history of the game.

Favre is good guy. He's played a long time. He deserves recognition for that. But a football ironman? Certainly not.

Athletes weren't as big or as fast back in the day when Blanda, Waterfield, Flintstone and Rubble played. Also, the seasons were shorter. What Favre has done is as good, if not better, than what any of the fossils you mentioned did. Sometimes I think you intentionally make stupid posts as if it were your schtick.

Check the avatar, no offense SH, butt really..

Come on out, it's safe here.

[SuperHornet]

You guys are REALLY disgusting. That cr@p is getting VERY old. I don't know of a single female who has been even a redshirt FBS quarterback. I was. Of course, the team folded that very Christmas. You can make your own conclusions about that.

[Fresno St. Alum]

you can say crap or shit, no need for @. I must have missed the boat on this. You played D-I football until the team folded? UOP? You were a QB? Why the #89 at QB. What year did they drop, 1995 right? Were you a freshman when this happened?

[BlueHen86]

You guys are REALLY disgusting. That cr@p is getting VERY old. I don't know of a single female who has been even a redshirt FBS quarterback. I was. Of course, the team folded that very Christmas. You can make your own conclusions about that.

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[clenz]

I thought SH was dude pretending to be a girl pretending to be a boy that was pretending to be a girl?

[SuperHornet]

you can say crap or ****, no need for @. I must have missed the boat on this. You played D-I football until the team folded? UOP? You were a QB? Why the #89 at QB. What year did they drop, 1995 right? Were you a freshman when this happened?

1. #89 in my avatar is NOT me. That's a former Jacksonville State kicker who really WAS a girl. She played football and soccer.

2. I was duplicate #10 my freshman year at UOP. (Primary #10 was our starting middle linebacker Bill Denny.) There are no numbering rules in NCAA except for linemen. Have you already forgotten Doug Flutie and Bernie Kosar? Flutie wore #22 for Boston College and Kosar was #20 for The U. That's still legal, but nobody does it because those numbers aren't "cool" for QBs. Heck, number weirdness was common even in the NFL until the standardization rules hit in 1974. John Hadl was grandfathered with his #21. Otto Graham played most of his career wearing #60. I think Sammy Baugh was #37 or something like that, too. But, no, I was boring #10. Would have preferred #11 in honor of Danny White, but that was already firmly in the possession of my fellow quarterback John Fassel, currently the Special Teams Coordinator for the Raiders.

[Fresno St. Alum]

nope didn't forget them. still 89 is usually a WR # and still no QB has worn a # in the 80's. Also 89 is a weird K #. What do you mean WAS a girl. Sex change?

So why Sac St., you went to UOP how did you latch on to Sac St.?

So you were a 24 year old freshman? Because 95 was my freshman year of college, I was 18.

[SuperHornet]

Of COURSE, Ashley's still a girl. LOL. I've seen many kickers with weird numbers. Heck, the Bungles had a punter with a number in the 80s back in the late 70s-early 80s.

As for me, FSU, I was a walkon at UOP. I had no business going there (financially, that is), but it was the closest school to me with a football team. Yeah, I was about 23 when I got there. UOP dumped the program on the evening news a week before Christmas. My first inclination was to follow my position coach to South Florida, where he was their first offensive coordinator. I in fact flew out there, but Leavitt had me convinced that Coach Canales had already split for Baylor, and as I was 3K miles from home with the worst dorm room I've ever seen on a campus with more active construction than I've ever seen, I immediately went home and finished my A.A. at Delta. After that, I transferred to Sac, where I ran smack into an OC who didn't want to give a walkon a chance. I helped out as much as I could, though. The film experience I got at Delta helped me assist the Sac film coordinator/OL coach.

And, yeah, FSU, I'm STILL mad about those five games UOP opened the '95 season with: Fresno, Arizona, Nebraska, and both Oregons. I still don't know how we got the Beavers into Stockton, and I have even less idea how we beat them. But those five games beat us up so bad that we finished 3-8, which likely played a big role in the administration's decision to kill us.

The one thing I'll never forget, though, is our last-play-of-the-game win over San Jose that made the ESPN halftime highlights of the Florida State game the next Thursday. I got us an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for excessive celebration after that play: we had a dogpile in the endzone that I pretty much started. Shouldn't have been an issue, but we were then up by one with no time left, and SJSU figured they'd make us try the backed-up PAT so they could block it and take it back for two. We weren't that dumb. Only time I've ever seen a kneel-down on a PAT, but they couldn't do anything about it. LOL.

[Fresno St. Alum]

If only UOP could have held on to football a little longer they'd be in the WAC right now. If any school in Cali brought back football it would be UOP. 30K seat stadium and Spanos's money. They could be in the GWC for football.

[Wedgebuster]

Katie!!