Buster Olney

[Skjellyfetti]

That being said, Bouton has repeatedly claimed that he has no knowledge that Mantle ever used amphetamines or "greenies," and he thinks he would have reason to know that, since he shared a locker room with Mantle for a number of years during an era when no one was concealing their use. He has also said that, in his opinion, Mantle was the greatest ballplayer of his era.

When did Bouton say he has no knowledge of Mantle using greenies?

And as for Sandy Koufax. Google "Sandy Koufax" and "Butazolidin" sometime... a muscle relaxer intended for horses... but banned by horse racing at the time Koufax was using it as a PED.
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[JoltinJoe]

That being said, Bouton has repeatedly claimed that he has no knowledge that Mantle ever used amphetamines or "greenies," and he thinks he would have reason to know that, since he shared a locker room with Mantle for a number of years during an era when no one was concealing their use. He has also said that, in his opinion, Mantle was the greatest ballplayer of his era.

When did Bouton say he has no knowledge of Mantle using greenies?

And as for Sandy Koufax. Google "Sandy Koufax" and "Butazolidin" sometime... a muscle relaxer intended for horses... but banned by horse racing at the time Koufax was using it as a PED.
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First of all, your last source is wrong. Butazolidin was a trade name for Phenylbutazone, and was a legal, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that was approved for use of the treatment of arthritis in 1949 and was later
banned for use in humans for toxicity in the 1970s. If you recall, when Leavey's book came out some years ago, she clarified a number of times that she was not accusing Koufax of using an illegal substance.

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http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/New ... 124078.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (see reference to approval for use in humans in 1949).

As for Bouton, I have heard it directly from Bouton's mouth that he never saw Mantle use greenies. But here's a source for you:

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[Skjellyfetti]

First of all, your last source is wrong. Butazolidin was a trade name for Phenylbutazone, and was a legal, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that was approved for use of the treatment of arthritis in 1949 and was later
banned for use in humans for toxicity in the 1970s.

I didn't say it was illegal. It was banned by horse racing for use on HORSES at the time. The Kentucky Derby Winner, Dancer's Image, was stripped of its title for using it. So, it was a PED for horses, but not for a baseball player. Got it. Further shows baseball's longtime hypocrisy.

If you recall, when Leavey's book came out some years ago, she clarified a number of times that she was not accusing Koufax of using an illegal substance.

It wasn't illegal. But it was a performance enhancing drug.


And, I hadn't read the Bouton backtrack on Mickey Mantle... so I take that one back.

[JoltinJoe]

First of all, your last source is wrong. Butazolidin was a trade name for Phenylbutazone, and was a legal, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory that was approved for use of the treatment of arthritis in 1949 and was later
banned for use in humans for toxicity in the 1970s.

I didn't say it was illegal. It was banned by horse racing for use on HORSES at the time. The 1968 Kentucky Derby Winner, Dancer's Image, was stripped of its title for using it. So, it was a PED for horses, but not for a baseball player. Got it. Further shows baseball's longtime hypocrisy.
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If you recall, when Leavey's book came out some years ago, she clarified a number of times that she was not accusing Koufax of using an illegal substance.

It wasn't illegal. But it was a performance enhancing drug.


And, I hadn't read the Bouton backtrack on Mickey Mantle... so I take that one back.

NO! It was a legal drug, prescribed by Koufax's doctor, to treat his severe arthritis. It was later banned for use in humans due to severe toxicity.

And what back-track on Mantle? Bouton never said anything about Mantle using greenies in "Ball Four."

[TwinTownBisonFan]

Like JJ said - Koufax used a PRESCRIBED treatment for severe arthritis - a condition the ended his career early. that's not a PED, jelly, that's medicine.