2016-2017 NBA Season Thread

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:48 am

Wolves get Dunn with rumors of a possible trade for Butler. Doesn't look like the deal will go down.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:32 am

Well, I'm fine with the Sixers and what they've done because at least they didn't screw anything up. Took Simmons, check. Did not overtrade for a vastly overrated Kris Dunn, check. I was dreading the idea that we take Simmons, who for all his great upsides still isn't going to ever be a sharpshooter from the outside, and then trade away our leverage for a player like Kris Dunn who may be one of the few guys in the draft who shoots worse than Simmons.

The French kid they took with the #24 pick looks interesting, and the Turkish kid at #26 could be something. I'm not a fan of draft and stash at this point, we need all the players we can get and we need them here now to start playing together to start gelling. And there's still a chance we can make a trade for veteran help. So at least we didn't crap the bed last night - better to be a little cautious and keep moving forward versus getting bold and making a rash mistake.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:18 am

GannonFan wrote:Well, I'm fine with the Sixers and what they've done because at least they didn't screw anything up. Took Simmons, check. Did not overtrade for a vastly overrated Kris Dunn, check. I was dreading the idea that we take Simmons, who for all his great upsides still isn't going to ever be a sharpshooter from the outside, and then trade away our leverage for a player like Kris Dunn who may be one of the few guys in the draft who shoots worse than Simmons.

The French kid they took with the #24 pick looks interesting, and the Turkish kid at #26 could be something. I'm not a fan of draft and stash at this point, we need all the players we can get and we need them here now to start playing together to start gelling. And there's still a chance we can make a trade for veteran help. So at least we didn't crap the bed last night - better to be a little cautious and keep moving forward versus getting bold and making a rash mistake.

Thib is a defensive coach, and Dunn is a good defensive player. He's a guard and shorter than Simmons, probably shoots further out than Simmons, per his 113 3's last year to 3 for Simmons. His Free Throw percentage isn't that great, but it's higher than Simmons. Dunn is no Simmons, but he was the best player at #5 and not as bad as you make him out to be. Is the Big East that bad, that the 2 time player of the year isn't worth taking at #5?

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:23 am

AP Source: 76ers offered Noel, Covington and Nos. 24 and 26 picks for Timberwolves' Kris Dunn. http://apne.ws/28SykvG @apkrawczynski

Post by **clenz** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:24 am

Gil Dobie wrote:
GannonFan wrote:Well, I'm fine with the Sixers and what they've done because at least they didn't screw anything up. Took Simmons, check. Did not overtrade for a vastly overrated Kris Dunn, check. I was dreading the idea that we take Simmons, who for all his great upsides still isn't going to ever be a sharpshooter from the outside, and then trade away our leverage for a player like Kris Dunn who may be one of the few guys in the draft who shoots worse than Simmons.

The French kid they took with the #24 pick looks interesting, and the Turkish kid at #26 could be something. I'm not a fan of draft and stash at this point, we need all the players we can get and we need them here now to start playing together to start gelling. And there's still a chance we can make a trade for veteran help. So at least we didn't crap the bed last night - better to be a little cautious and keep moving forward versus getting bold and making a rash mistake.
Thib is a defensive coach, and Dunn is a good defensive player. He's a guard and shorter than Simmons, probably shoots further out than Simmons, per his 113 3's last year to 3 for Simmons. His Free Throw percentage isn't that great, but it's higher than Simmons. Dunn is no Simmons, but he was the best player at #5 and not as bad as you make him out to be. Is the Big East that bad, that the 2 time player of the year isn't worth taking at #5?

Dunn shot about 50% from 2 and just under 40 from 3.

His % was really hurt by his lack of mid range game, which is a tad concerning.

Here's his shot chart
http://vorped.com/4-ncaam/2015-2016/pla ... shotchart/

Compare that to Simmons
http://vorped.com/4-ncaam/2015-2016/pla ... shotchart/

I wouldn't rule Butler out in MN, but it sounds unlikely. Thibs loves Lavine (which was the sticking point with the Bulls) and Dunn.

Over the first 50 games of his rookie season in 2014-15, LaVine shot just 27.5 percent from three-point territory (20-of-71).

Over his final 50 games last season, LaVine shot 43.3 percent from behind the arc (87-of-202).

Consider this: In the games played following the 2016 All-Star break, LaVine was one of only five players players to make at least 60 three-pointers and shoot above 43 percent from behind the arc: The other four were Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, C.J. McCollum, and J.J. Redick.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/fixin ... rwolves-2/

Hell, I expect the wolves to make a strong run at Durant. Don't think they'll land him, but Thibs and Durrant have history. Durant has acknowledged the things happening in Minnesota
Wolves needed defense and outside shooting. Dunn was, apparently, the best available two way player. Heild and Murray were better shooters, but lacked the defense Thibs wanted I guess.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:15 pm

On a cool note, I saw a mock draft for 2017 and I forgot that the Sixers still have the rights next year to swap 1st round picks with the Kings. Meaning, as long as the Kings have a better first round pick than the Sixers, the Sixers are going to switch with them.

Now I get to pull for the Kings to just tank next year.

Post by **clenz** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:30 pm

Washington preparing to offer Joakin Noah a max 4 year 120m contract.

What....the....hell?

Post by **clenz** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:30 pm

Also, going to rename this thread to become the 2016/2017 season thread.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:38 am

Scoops today said the Timberwolves offered Rubio and #5 to Philly or Chicago, thinking Dunn would be gone. Wolves actually had Dunn higher than Simmons and Ingram. Dunn was their pick. Any further trade talk will probably not include Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins or Towns.

Coach T will make a call to Durant, and butter him up for next year, while Coach T is an Olympic Assistant. Durant will make more money after he opts out after 1 year, and the Salary Cap is bigger.

Post by **clenz** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:01 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:Scoops today said the Timberwolves offered Rubio and #5 to Philly or Chicago, thinking Dunn would be gone. Wolves actually had Dunn higher than Simmons and Ingram. Dunn was their pick. Any further trade talk will probably not include Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins or Towns.

Coach T will make a call to Durant, and butter him up for next year, while Coach T is an Olympic Assistant. Durant will make more money after he opts out after 1 year, and the Salary Cap is bigger.

It sounds like as soon as Dunn was there the Wolves knew they had their guy and started "over charging" for trades because they didn't feel they needed the trade and hoped they'd get a sucker to bite.

Trades with Lavine, Wiggins and Towns going into the draft were a complete non-starter. Dunn was >2% chance of being traded.

I hope the Wolves make a max deal run at Durant, even if only for a year and then make a run at a massive max deal next year.

Thibs seems to have that kind of magic in him with how players talk about him.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:54 pm

Gil Dobie wrote:Scoops today said the Timberwolves offered Rubio and #5 to Philly or Chicago, thinking Dunn would be gone. Wolves actually had Dunn higher than Simmons and Ingram. Dunn was their pick. Any further trade talk will probably not include Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins or Towns.

Coach T will make a call to Durant, and butter him up for next year, while Coach T is an Olympic Assistant. Durant will make more money after he opts out after 1 year, and the Salary Cap is bigger.

Glad the Sixers didn't bite - Rubio isn't all that attractive and I think Murray was already gone by then. Sixers wouldn't have any interest in Dunn. Where the Wolves had Dunn versus the top two picks was irrelevant, no one was trading those two picks. And if you really think Dunn is a better player than either of those two guys (ignoring the team need aspect which could be in play) then you're crazy.

On another Sixer note, Dario Saric has said he's coming over to the NBA this year. #TrustTheProcess

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:58 pm

GannonFan wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:Scoops today said the Timberwolves offered Rubio and #5 to Philly or Chicago, thinking Dunn would be gone. Wolves actually had Dunn higher than Simmons and Ingram. Dunn was their pick. Any further trade talk will probably not include Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins or Towns.

Coach T will make a call to Durant, and butter him up for next year, while Coach T is an Olympic Assistant. Durant will make more money after he opts out after 1 year, and the Salary Cap is bigger.
Glad the Sixers didn't bite - Rubio isn't all that attractive and I think Murray was already gone by then. Sixers wouldn't have any interest in Dunn. Where the Wolves had Dunn versus the top two picks was irrelevant, no one was trading those two picks. And if you really think Dunn is a better player than either of those two guys (ignoring the team need aspect which could be in play) then you're crazy.

On another Sixer note, Dario Saric has said he's coming over to the NBA this year. #TrustTheProcess

Having someone higher on their draft board, does not equal thinking they are a better player. T-Wolves have back-to-back NBA rookie of the years, and coach T likes defense. Dunn is known for defense.

Post by **AshevilleApp** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:22 am

Reports are that Memphis is getting to sign Mike Conley to a 5-year, $153 million dollar contract. His numbers last season were 15.3 PPG, 6.1 APG and 2.9 RPG. I don't get it.

Post by **clenz** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:23 am

That's a great contract compared to
everything else dolled out yesterday.

Post by **clenz** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:25 am

Career points per game avg & free agent deals agreed to: 6.0 ppg ($48M), 6.4 ppg ($70M), 6.9 ppg ($64M), 10.7 ppg ($75M) & 11 ppg ($85M)

Post by **clenz** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:27 am

Jordan Clarkson

2015-16 team: Lakers

2016-17 team: Lakers

Reported deal: four years, $50M

During his rookie season, Clarkson averaged 11.9 points. Last year he boosted that average to 15.5 points per game, second only behind Kobe Bryant on the Lakers.

Evan Turner

2015-16 team: Celtics

2016-17 team: Trail Blazers

Reported deal: four years, $70M

In what was his best season since 2013-14, Turner averaged 10.5 points and 4.9 rebounds with the Celtics in 2015-16.

Evan Fournier

2015-16 team: Magic

2016-17 team: Magic

Reported deal: five years, $85M

Fournier was considered a priority for the Magic after averaging 15.4 points with 2.8 rebounds this past season.

Jeremy Lin

2015-16 team: Hornets

2016-17 team: Nets

Reported deal: three years, $36M

Lin has had success in New York in the past, albeit with the Knicks, in 2011-12. He has become somewhat of a journeyman since then, averaging 11.5 points his last two seasons with the Lakers and Hornets after a stint in Houston.

Timofey Mozgov

2015-16 team: Cavaliers

2016-17 team: Lakers

Reported deal: four years, $65M

Mozgov scored 15 points in the playoffs last season. That's fewer points than millions per year he will make.

Solomon Hill

2015-16 team: Pacers

2016-17 team: Pelicans

Reported deal: four years, $52M

The Pacers declined a $2.3M team option for Hill for 2016-17, which turned out to be very lucrative for the Arizona product. Hill parlayed a solid playoffs into this big deal after averaging only 4.2 points during the 2015-16 regular season.

Jeff Green

2015-16 team: Grizzlies/Clippers

2016-17 team: Magic

Reported deal: one year, $15M

Green played with both the Grizzlies and the Clippers last season, averaging 11.7 points and 4.2 rebounds. He'll now be on his fifth NBA team, and fourth in the last three years alone.

Conley wins Day 1

While not a role player, Mike Conley's NBA record five-year, $153 million contract means he will make more than twice as much as Curry next season. Conley is one of three players to sign a $100 million contract without ever making an NBA All-Star team ... and all three signed those deals this offseason. To put this in perspective, Peyton Manning made approximately $135.7 million in base salary and $248.7 million in total cash during his entire NFL career.

The Warriors will be paying Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson a combined $44.1 million this season.

Combined, the Grizzlies will be paying Conley and Chandler Parsons -- both agreed to deals Friday -- $48.8 million next season.

Before this offseason vs. this offseason

Before this offseason, no NBA player had ever signed a $100 million contract without making an All-Star team.

This offseason, three players have agreed to such deals (Conley, Bradley Beal and Nicolas Batum).

Conley, DeMar DeRozan, Drummond and Beal agreed to contracts that will total up to $547.4 million.

That is roughly equivalent to the combined guaranteed money of the current QB contracts of: Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Jared Goff, Sam Bradford, and Kirk Cousins.

Post by **AshevilleApp** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:57 am

And unlike the NFL, NBA contracts are fully guaranteed. Amazing, but more power to them I guess.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:56 am

Amazing contract for Mozgov, questionable recovery from knee surgery last off-season. Maybe the Lakers know something.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:23 am

Timberwolves sign Cole Aldrich

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:48 am

Splish Splash, here comes another Splash brother, Durant to the Warriors.

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:55 am

Next domino, will Pau Gasol replace Tim Duncan, if he retires.

Post by **clenz** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:42 pm

Sounds like he Warriors have been pitching KD for months.

Sounds like tampering to me.

NBA won't so shut about it

Post by **DSUrocks07** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:02 pm

clenz wrote:Sounds like he Warriors have been pitching KD for months.

Sounds like tampering to me.

NBA won't so shut about it

Not as much as the rumor of Wade signing a max deal with the Nuggets so he can get traded to the Cavs at the deadline. If that's not collusion, I don't know what is...

Gil Dobie · Post by **Gil Dobie** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:48 am

Here's an interesting rumor. Westbrook to Minnesota for LaVine, Rubio and Muhammad. Makes sense if it's a sign and trade, otherwise Wolves should pass for a 1 and done.

Link

Post by **clenz** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:35 am

Pass.

Those three, well maybe not Rubio, are key foundations of the future.

I'd take Rubio and 2 first rounders for Westbrook. However, Westbrook isn't signing and extension of new deal before next off season

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