2015 Philadelphia Eagles Thread

[Chizzang]

I was reading an article about how fast teams are able to turn things around in the free agency era. A few examples:

The Rams went 4-12 the year before winning SB XXXIV.
The Ravens went 8-8 that year and then won SB XXXV the next.
The Patriots went 5-12 that year and then won SB XXXVI the next.

Seven Super Bowl winners had losing records the season prior.

Quick turnarounds aren't difficult in the free agency era. The aforementioned Andy Reid improved the Chiefs from 2-14 to 11-5 in 2013, but he's proven that's about the best he can do. Very good coach, but not great.

This ^ Free Agency for sure
and a well defined salary cap structure applied evenly to all teams

As my brother is fond of saying (and he's an analytics guy)
Every team in the NFL is within 15% of each other

Example:
Even the 5-10 Ravens are very nearly as good as ANYBODY in the NFL
as well as the 7-8 Raiders

The NFL is so evenly matched across the board that the 14-1 Panthers
are about only 15% better than the Titans who might only win 3 games

THIS ^ IS WHY I love the NFL

[dbackjon]

I was reading an article about how fast teams are able to turn things around in the free agency era. A few examples:

The Rams went 4-12 the year before winning SB XXXIV.
The Ravens went 8-8 that year and then won SB XXXV the next.
The Patriots went 5-12 that year and then won SB XXXVI the next.

Seven Super Bowl winners had losing records the season prior.

Quick turnarounds aren't difficult in the free agency era. The aforementioned Andy Reid improved the Chiefs from 2-14 to 11-5 in 2013, but he's proven that's about the best he can do. Very good coach, but not great.

This ^ Free Agency for sure
and a well defined salary cap structure applied evenly to all teams

As my brother is fond of saying (and he's an analytics guy)
Every team in the NFL is within 15% of each other

Example:
Even the 5-10 Ravens are very nearly as good as ANYBODY in the NFL
as well as the 7-8 Raiders

The NFL is so evenly matched across the board that the 14-1 Panthers
are about only 15% better than the Titans who might only win 3 games

THIS ^ IS WHY I love the NFL

Parity is a myth in the NFL. There are a few elite teams, a bunch of mediocre teams, and a lot of really bad teams.

Success in the NFL boils down to one position now - QB - if you have a healthy elite one, you will make the playoffs

[93henfan]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

[bandl]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

2015 QBR Rating

16. Eli Manning

I don't know what this means.

[dbackjon]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

Are you saying Eli is ELIte?

[bandl]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

Are you saying Eli is ELIte?

No, but he does have the Downs.

[CAA Flagship]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

Phillip Rivers

[Chizzang]

This ^ Free Agency for sure
and a well defined salary cap structure applied evenly to all teams

As my brother is fond of saying (and he's an analytics guy)
Every team in the NFL is within 15% of each other

Example:
Even the 5-10 Ravens are very nearly as good as ANYBODY in the NFL
as well as the 7-8 Raiders

The NFL is so evenly matched across the board that the 14-1 Panthers
are about only 15% better than the Titans who might only win 3 games

THIS ^ IS WHY I love the NFL

Parity is a myth in the NFL. There are a few elite teams, a bunch of mediocre teams, and a lot of really bad teams.

Success in the NFL boils down to one position now - QB - if you have a healthy elite one, you will make the playoffs

This ^ is so dumb I don't even know where to start
Sure a good quarterback is nice / But Parity is no myth

The Falcons have a very good quarterback and have plenty of talent
and they are a .500 team

Miami has a VERY GOOD QB in Tennehill and they're 5-10

Phillip Rivers is among the TOP QB's in Football - Chargers are 4-11

New Orleans is 6-9 with Drew Brees

Any other stupid observations John..?



And the 49's went to the Superbowl with Keapernick and he f**king Sucks

[dbackjon]

Are you saying Eli is ELIte?

No, but he does have the Downs.

But not the Discount Double Downs

[dbackjon]

Parity is a myth in the NFL. There are a few elite teams, a bunch of mediocre teams, and a lot of really bad teams.

Success in the NFL boils down to one position now - QB - if you have a healthy elite one, you will make the playoffs

This ^ is so dumb I don't even know where to start
Sure a good quarterback is nice / But Parity is no myth

The Falcons have a very good quarterback and have plenty of talent
and they are a .500 team

Miami has a VERY GOOD QB in Tennehill and they're 5-10

Phillip Rivers is among the TOP QB's in Football - Chargers are 4-11

New Orleans is 6-9 with Drew Brees

Any other stupid observations John..?

Tannehill

Stop, I can't get past that

[dbackjon]

None of those list are Elite any longer.

[dbackjon]

Next you will be trotting out Danny White

[Chizzang]

This ^ is so dumb I don't even know where to start
Sure a good quarterback is nice / But Parity is no myth

The Falcons have a very good quarterback and have plenty of talent
and they are a .500 team

Miami has a VERY GOOD QB in Tennehill and they're 5-10

Phillip Rivers is among the TOP QB's in Football - Chargers are 4-11

New Orleans is 6-9 with Drew Brees

Any other stupid observations John..?

Tannehill

Stop, I can't get past that

You know nothing about football then my friend...
There are 20 teams in the NFL right now that would take Tennehill over their starter tomorrow

He's very good

[CAA Flagship]

I stated this earlier in the Prediction thread:

The NFL has about 26 8-8 teams. The difference between 10-6 and 6-10 is 4 plays.

[Chizzang]

None of those list are Elite any longer.

JEEZUS you are embarassing yourself now

Phillip Rivers
Drew Brees
and Matt Ryan are all ranked in the TOP 5 RIGHT NOW in the NFL

and Tennehill is ranked 10th

[dbackjon]

Tannehill

Stop, I can't get past that

You know nothing about football then my friend...
There are 20 teams in the NFL right now that would take Tennehill over their starter tomorrow

He's very good

That just shows how rare an elite QB is in this league.


Reading back through your NFL predictions, it is apparent you do not either

[Chizzang]

I stated this earlier in the Prediction thread:

The NFL has about 26 8-8 teams. The difference between 10-6 and 6-10 is 4 plays.

This ^ a thousand time THIS....

[93henfan]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

Are you saying Eli is ELIte?

You were the one who said you need an elite QB to get in the playoffs.

Eli Manning proves the exception to any QB theory you want to come up with. He's the all-time QB enigma.

Hell, if you want to argue he's not elite, I'll tell you he has double the rings that Peyton does.

You win any QB argument with Eli.

[Chizzang]

You know nothing about football then my friend...
There are 20 teams in the NFL right now that would take Tennehill over their starter tomorrow

He's very good

That just shows how rare an elite QB is in this league.


Reading back through your NFL predictions, it is apparent you do not either

You're cute when you try and talk football John... but your "theory" on "all you need is an elite QB" is total hogwash and can easily be shown to be wrong



Next...

[dbackjon]

None of those list are Elite any longer.

JEEZUS you are embarassing yourself now

Phillip Rivers
Drew Brees
and Matt Ryan are all ranked in the TOP 5 RIGHT NOW in the NFL

and Tennehill is ranked 10th

Ranked by?

You are saying that Rivers, Brees and Ryan are better than

Are better than all but two of these:
Newton
Brady
Palmer
Rogers
Wilson
Dalton

[dbackjon]

Are you saying Eli is ELIte?

You were the one who said you need an elite QB to get in the playoffs.

Eli Manning proves the exception to any QB theory you want to come up with. He's the all-time QB enigma.

Hell, if you want to argue he's not elite, I'll tell you he has double the rings that Peyton does.

You win any QB argument with Eli.

Yes you can - that is why I needed to know which way to argue ELi from

[Chizzang]

JEEZUS you are embarassing yourself now

Phillip Rivers
Drew Brees
and Matt Ryan are all ranked in the TOP 5 RIGHT NOW in the NFL

and Tennehill is ranked 10th

Ranked by?

You are saying that Rivers, Brees and Ryan are better than

Are better than all but two of these:
Newton
Brady
Palmer
Rogers
Wilson
Dalton

Ranked by the NFL website based on performance

1 Tom Brady NE QB 390 603 64.7 40.2 4,636 7.7 309.1 36 7 225 37.3 76T 56 11
2 Philip Rivers SD QB 416 626 66.5 41.7 4,564 7.3 304.3 27 12 218 34.8 70T 52 7
3 Drew Brees NO QB 396 585 67.7 41.8 4,547 7.8 324.8 31 11 212 36.2 80T 62 13
4 Carson Palmer ARI QB 330 512 64.5 34.1 4,542 8.9 302.8 34 10 223 43.6 68 65 15
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 383 578 66.3 38.5 4,257 7.4 283.8 19 15 211 36.5 70T 44 8
6 Blake Bortles JAC QB 338 574 58.9 38.3 4,189 7.3 279.3 35 16 206 35.9 90T 68 10
7 Eli Manning NYG QB 363 575 63.1 38.3 4,134 7.2 275.6 33 14 186 32.3 87T 50 1
8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 367 528 69.5 35.2 3,990 7.6 266.0 26 11 197 37.3 78T 46 7
9 Matthew Stafford DET QB 370 553 66.9 36.9 3,964 7.2 264.3 29 13 205 37.1 57 45
10 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 338 548 61.7 36.5 3,858 7.0 257.2 22 12 177 32.3 54T 51 1

[dbackjon]

That just shows how rare an elite QB is in this league.


Reading back through your NFL predictions, it is apparent you do not either

You're cute when you try and talk football John... but your "theory" on "all you need is an elite QB" is total hogwash and can easily be shown to be wrong



Next...

You are cute as well...grr.

[dbackjon]

Ranked by?

You are saying that Rivers, Brees and Ryan are better than

Are better than all but two of these:
Newton
Brady
Palmer
Rogers
Wilson
Dalton

Ranked by the NFL website based on performance

1 Tom Brady NE QB 390 603 64.7 40.2 4,636 7.7 309.1 36 7 225 37.3 76T 56 11
2 Philip Rivers SD QB 416 626 66.5 41.7 4,564 7.3 304.3 27 12 218 34.8 70T 52 7
3 Drew Brees NO QB 396 585 67.7 41.8 4,547 7.8 324.8 31 11 212 36.2 80T 62 13
4 Carson Palmer ARI QB 330 512 64.5 34.1 4,542 8.9 302.8 34 10 223 43.6 68 65 15
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 383 578 66.3 38.5 4,257 7.4 283.8 19 15 211 36.5 70T 44 8
6 Blake Bortles JAC QB 338 574 58.9 38.3 4,189 7.3 279.3 35 16 206 35.9 90T 68 10
7 Eli Manning NYG QB 363 575 63.1 38.3 4,134 7.2 275.6 33 14 186 32.3 87T 50 1
8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 367 528 69.5 35.2 3,990 7.6 266.0 26 11 197 37.3 78T 46 7
9 Matthew Stafford DET QB 370 553 66.9 36.9 3,964 7.2 264.3 29 13 205 37.1 57 45
10 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 338 548 61.7 36.5 3,858 7.0 257.2 22 12 177 32.3 54T 51 1

I thought you might be shallow enough to just look at a single stat like total yards passing

If you use a composite stat, which is better, but not perfect, then Ryan comes in @ 23, Tannehill @ 25, which would be more in line with what knowledgeable people would rate them.

[SDHornet]

Eli Manning.

Next theory.

Phillip Rivers

Rivers has ZERO help around him and hasn't had an OL for about 3 years now.