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Re: 2015 Philadelphia Eagles Thread

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dbackjon wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Ranked by the NFL website based on performance

1 Tom Brady NE QB 390 603 64.7 40.2 4,636 7.7 309.1 36 7 225 37.3 76T 56 11
2 Philip Rivers SD QB 416 626 66.5 41.7 4,564 7.3 304.3 27 12 218 34.8 70T 52 7
3 Drew Brees NO QB 396 585 67.7 41.8 4,547 7.8 324.8 31 11 212 36.2 80T 62 13
4 Carson Palmer ARI QB 330 512 64.5 34.1 4,542 8.9 302.8 34 10 223 43.6 68 65 15
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 383 578 66.3 38.5 4,257 7.4 283.8 19 15 211 36.5 70T 44 8
6 Blake Bortles JAC QB 338 574 58.9 38.3 4,189 7.3 279.3 35 16 206 35.9 90T 68 10
7 Eli Manning NYG QB 363 575 63.1 38.3 4,134 7.2 275.6 33 14 186 32.3 87T 50 1
8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 367 528 69.5 35.2 3,990 7.6 266.0 26 11 197 37.3 78T 46 7
9 Matthew Stafford DET QB 370 553 66.9 36.9 3,964 7.2 264.3 29 13 205 37.1 57 45
10 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 338 548 61.7 36.5 3,858 7.0 257.2 22 12 177 32.3 54T 51 1

I thought you might be shallow enough to just look at a single stat like total yards passing

If you use a composite stat, which is better, but not perfect, then Ryan comes in @ 23, Tannehill @ 25, which would be more in line with what knowledgeable people would rate them.

Give it up...
Your "theory" is just FLAT WRONG

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Chizzang wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

I thought you might be shallow enough to just look at a single stat like total yards passing

If you use a composite stat, which is better, but not perfect, then Ryan comes in @ 23, Tannehill @ 25, which would be more in line with what knowledgeable people would rate them.

Give it up...
Your "theory" is just FLAT WRONG

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Re: 2015 Philadelphia Eagles Thread

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dbackjon wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Give it up...
Your "theory" is just FLAT WRONG

:nod:

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So you're going to stick with the idea that:
only the elite QB's matter... and parity is a myth

even though half of the elite QB's will not be in the playoffs
And 50% of the time a team with a losing record comes back the following year to make the playoff

:shock:

Those FACTS fly in the face of your stupid theory
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If you look at the top 15 QBs by QBR this year, you will see 11 of the 12 playoff teams represented. Only one not represented is Denver who has maybe the best defense in the league. Am assuming that Indy won't make it with these calculations since 10 things need to happen for both to get in playoffs. Both Jets and Pitt QBs are in top 15.

If you look at the top 15 QBs by QBR in 2014, you will see 9 of the 12 playoff teams represented. Arizona did not have a QB have enough passes to officially qualify for QBR stats but would have been top 15 if taking the combination of QBs. Only two others not represented were Carolina (who won their division with a 7-8-1 record) and Cin (who got to play the NFC South and AFC South)

If you look at the top 15 QBs by QBR in 2013, you will see 11 of the 12 playoff teams represented. Only one not represented was KC who gave up the fewest points in the AFC.

Generally, you need to have the best QBs that year to make the playoffs. If your defense is top notch or are in a horrible division, you may also have a chance.
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Chizzang wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Ranked by?

You are saying that Rivers, Brees and Ryan are better than

Are better than all but two of these:
Newton
Brady
Palmer
Rogers
Wilson
Dalton


:rofl: :twocents: :twocents: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Ranked by the NFL website based on performance

1 Tom Brady NE QB 390 603 64.7 40.2 4,636 7.7 309.1 36 7 225 37.3 76T 56 11
2 Philip Rivers SD QB 416 626 66.5 41.7 4,564 7.3 304.3 27 12 218 34.8 70T 52 7
3 Drew Brees NO QB 396 585 67.7 41.8 4,547 7.8 324.8 31 11 212 36.2 80T 62 13
4 Carson Palmer ARI QB 330 512 64.5 34.1 4,542 8.9 302.8 34 10 223 43.6 68 65 15
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 383 578 66.3 38.5 4,257 7.4 283.8 19 15 211 36.5 70T 44 8
6 Blake Bortles JAC QB 338 574 58.9 38.3 4,189 7.3 279.3 35 16 206 35.9 90T 68 10
7 Eli Manning NYG QB 363 575 63.1 38.3 4,134 7.2 275.6 33 14 186 32.3 87T 50 1
8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 367 528 69.5 35.2 3,990 7.6 266.0 26 11 197 37.3 78T 46 7
9 Matthew Stafford DET QB 370 553 66.9 36.9 3,964 7.2 264.3 29 13 205 37.1 57 45
10 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 338 548 61.7 36.5 3,858 7.0 257.2 22 12 177 32.3 54T 51 1
That might be one of the worst rankings I have ever seen. Please support your argument with something a little better than that trash.

It is laughable you have names such as Stafford, Tannehill, Manning, and Ryan above Wilson, Newton, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger. :lol:
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Re: 2015 Philadelphia Eagles Thread

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This thread got good, especially the Eli phenomenon... :nod: :lol:

1) You don't need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL.

2) Having a highly rated quarterback in any given season helps your chances.

3) Highly rated quarterbacks and elite quarterbacks are not necessarily the same thing.

4) Parity is a reality in the NFL thanks to kalmunism. The worst team in the league is just several players away from being the best team.
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kalm wrote:This thread got good, especially the Eli phenomenon... :nod: :lol:

1) You don't need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL.

2) Having a highly rated quarterback in any given season helps your chances.

3) Highly rated quarterbacks and elite quarterbacks are not necessarily the same thing.

4) Parity is a reality in the NFL thanks to kalmunism. The worst team in the league is just several players away from being the best team.
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kalm wrote:This thread got good, especially the Eli phenomenon... :nod: :lol:

1) You don't need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL.

2) Having a highly rated quarterback in any given season helps your chances.

3) Highly rated quarterbacks and elite quarterbacks are not necessarily the same thing.

4) Parity is a reality in the NFL thanks to kalmunism. The worst team in the league is just several players away from being the best team.
Nice summary.

Surprised that there has been so little mention of Roethlisberger.
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UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:This thread got good, especially the Eli phenomenon... :nod: :lol:

1) You don't need an elite quarterback to win in the NFL.

2) Having a highly rated quarterback in any given season helps your chances.

3) Highly rated quarterbacks and elite quarterbacks are not necessarily the same thing.

4) Parity is a reality in the NFL thanks to kalmunism. The worst team in the league is just several players away from being the best team.
Nice summary.

Surprised that there has been so little mention of Roethlisberger.
Or Jo..

nevermind.
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Seahawks08 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Ranked by the NFL website based on performance

1 Tom Brady NE QB 390 603 64.7 40.2 4,636 7.7 309.1 36 7 225 37.3 76T 56 11
2 Philip Rivers SD QB 416 626 66.5 41.7 4,564 7.3 304.3 27 12 218 34.8 70T 52 7
3 Drew Brees NO QB 396 585 67.7 41.8 4,547 7.8 324.8 31 11 212 36.2 80T 62 13
4 Carson Palmer ARI QB 330 512 64.5 34.1 4,542 8.9 302.8 34 10 223 43.6 68 65 15
5 Matt Ryan ATL QB 383 578 66.3 38.5 4,257 7.4 283.8 19 15 211 36.5 70T 44 8
6 Blake Bortles JAC QB 338 574 58.9 38.3 4,189 7.3 279.3 35 16 206 35.9 90T 68 10
7 Eli Manning NYG QB 363 575 63.1 38.3 4,134 7.2 275.6 33 14 186 32.3 87T 50 1
8 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 367 528 69.5 35.2 3,990 7.6 266.0 26 11 197 37.3 78T 46 7
9 Matthew Stafford DET QB 370 553 66.9 36.9 3,964 7.2 264.3 29 13 205 37.1 57 45
10 Ryan Tannehill MIA QB 338 548 61.7 36.5 3,858 7.0 257.2 22 12 177 32.3 54T 51 1
That might be one of the worst rankings I have ever seen. Please support your argument with something a little better than that trash.

It is laughable you have names such as Stafford, Tannehill, Manning, and Ryan above Wilson, Newton, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger. :lol:

Um...
Its right off the NFL statistical quarterback chart...
Measured the same way the NFL measures Running backs wide receivers and Tight ends

:coffee:

If you're looking for "intangibles" and things like "Scramble yards on designed run plays inside the opponents field goal range on third downs" you'll need to go to the Russell Wilson fan page...

:dunce:
This one is just statistical data
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Chizzang wrote:
Seahawks08 wrote:
That might be one of the worst rankings I have ever seen. Please support your argument with something a little better than that trash.

It is laughable you have names such as Stafford, Tannehill, Manning, and Ryan above Wilson, Newton, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger. :lol:

Um...
Its right off the NFL statistical quarterback chart...
Measured the same way the NFL measures Running backs wide receivers and Tight ends

:coffee:

If you're looking for "intangibles and all that nonsense you'll need to go to NON-NFL websites
This one is just statistical data
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What's at stake in Eagles-Giants game today:

Winner will travel to Seattle in 2016 regular season and will draft in the mid to late teens in the 2016 draft.

Loser will play the Jaguars in England in 2016 regular season and will likely draft in the 8-10 range in the 2016 draft.

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Well, the Eagles are proving that players are spoiled bitches who play when they want to and for who they want to.

Demarco Murray busts off a huge TD run. O line is blocking. Eagles smoking the Giants early; 14-3. :ohno:
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93henfan wrote:Well, the Eagles are proving that players are spoiled bitches who play when they want to and for who they want to.

Demarco Murray busts off a huge TD run. O line is blocking. Eagles smoking the Giants early; 14-3. :ohno:
Eli Manning will have a few things to say before its all over...
He'll likely pass for 350 yards

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Well you know what they say: you can't spell "elite" without "Eli".
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93henfan wrote:Well you know what they say: you can't spell "elite" without "Eli".
He just lobbed up a pick-six..!!!

:rofl:

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Chizzang wrote:
93henfan wrote:Well you know what they say: you can't spell "elite" without "Eli".
He just lobbed up a pick-six..!!!

:rofl:

This game is awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was tipped by Barwin.

But yes, the 32nd vs 30th defense makes for an exciting offensive game. :lol:
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Fox just flashed a pretty damning stat for the NFC East. The division has not had a single wildcard team this decade. That's just bad. :shock:
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93henfan wrote:Well you know what they say: you can't spell "elite" without "Eli".
Or pelican. :coffee:
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93henfan wrote:Fox just flashed a pretty damning stat for the NFC East. The division has not had a single wildcard team this decade. That's just bad. :shock:
Just looked. Since 2010, this is the amount of wild cards per division:
AFC East - 1
AFC North - 7
AFC South - 1
AFC West - 3
NFC East - 0
NFC North - 5
NFC South - 3
NFC West - 4

Between 2002 (the year they went to 4 divisions and 2 WC teams) to 2009, this is the amount of wild cards per division:
AFC East - 3
AFC North - 5
AFC South - 5
AFC West - 3
NFC East - 9
NFC North - 2
NFC South - 3
NFC West - 2

Interestingly enough, NFC West did not have a wild card team for 7 straight years from 2005 through 2011 and has had 1 per year since then. NFC East is now at 6 straight and AFC East is now at 5 straight. AFC West went 6 straight without a WC team from 2007-2012.
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Fucking Eagles. They would win today.

Gave up ten spots in the draft and a matchup against the Jags next year in favor of a trip to Seattle.

Brilliant.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
93henfan wrote:Well you know what they say: you can't spell "elite" without "Eli".
Or pelican. :coffee:
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Not feeling quite as bad about draft order now. Eagles (13) pick three spots behind Giants (10).

Titans are going to be incredible if they play this draft right. They should trade the #1 for Cleveland's soul and all first born sons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... raft-order
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93henfan wrote:Not feeling quite as bad about draft order now. Eagles (13) pick three spots behind Giants (10).

Titans are going to be incredible if they play this draft right. They should trade the #1 for Cleveland's soul and all first born sons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... raft-order
Well, the Eagles would've picked 8th if they didn't blow this game. Might be the difference between getting the 3rd best OT in the draft versus one of the top two at that position, assuming the Eagles do the right thing and draft an offensive lineman. But yeah, having to go to Seattle now versus playing the Rams in London is a definite blunder by this team. Where was all this professional pride when they were losing games earlier this year?
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GannonFan wrote:
93henfan wrote:Not feeling quite as bad about draft order now. Eagles (13) pick three spots behind Giants (10).

Titans are going to be incredible if they play this draft right. They should trade the #1 for Cleveland's soul and all first born sons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... raft-order
Well, the Eagles would've picked 8th if they didn't blow this game. Might be the difference between getting the 3rd best OT in the draft versus one of the top two at that position, assuming the Eagles do the right thing and draft an offensive lineman. But yeah, having to go to Seattle now versus playing the Rams in London is a definite blunder by this team. Where was all this professional pride when they were losing games earlier this year?
I am pretty sure they would have been 10th like the Giants. They would have had the same record as teams 8-11. Tiebreak is SOS in reverse order (so team that played the worst schedule goes first out of the group since that makes them the worst team of the group).

8- Miami - SOS = .469
9 - TB - SOS = .484
10 - Philly - SOS = .508 (would have been slightly higher if Giants won but no difference in placement)
11- Chicago - SOS = .547 (toughest in the NFL)
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