NFL 2019 Season

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:42 pm

89Hen wrote:So Bills are one of four teams without a playoff win since 2000, but you won't include them as one of the worst. Tell me again who is making shit up.

I'm just posting statistics - you're the one making emotional proclamations

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:49 pm

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:
2. That the Bills and Dolphins are two of the worst teams in the NFL since 2000-2002 ish.
More like
a) Middle and
b) bottom 1/3rd
which proves my point again... (blind bias on your part)
and by the end of this season the Bills will surpass the Redskins in wins since 2000

NFL wins since 2000-current (Including playoffs):
1.) New England Patriots- 209 (22 playoff wins)
2.) Indianapolis Colts- 180 (12 playoff wins)
3.) Pittsburgh Steelers- 177 (13 playoff wins)
4.) Green Bay Packers- 171 (11 playoff wins)
5.) Baltimore Ravens- 164 (15 playoff wins)
6.) Philadelphia Eagles- 162 (10 playoff wins)
7.) Denver Broncos- 159 (6 playoff wins)
8.) Seattle Seahawks- 155 (13 playoff wins)
9.) New Orleans Saints- 146 ( 7 playoff wins)
10.) New York Giants-145 (10 playoff wins)
11.) San Diego Chargers- 134 ( 3 playoff wins)
12.) Carolina Panthers-133 (8 playoff wins)
13.) Chicago Bears- 132 ( 3 playoff wins)
13.) Atlanta Falcons- 132 ( 3 playoff wins)
14.) New York Jets- 130 (6 playoff wins)
15.) Dallas Cowboys- 129 ( 2 playoff wins)
15.) Minnesota Vikings- 129 (3 playoff wins)
16.) Tennessee Titans- 125 ( 2 playoff wins)
17.) Cincinnati Bengals- 123
18,) Miami Dolphins- 121 ( 1 playoff win)
19.) San Francisco 49ers- 119 ( 6 playoff wins)
19.) Kansas City Chiefs- 119 (1 playoff win)
20.) Arizona Cardinals- 117 ( 5 playoff wins)
21.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers- 114 ( 3 playoff wins)
22.) St. Louis Rams- 110 (3 playoff wins)
23.) Washington Redskins- 107 ( 1 playoff win)
24.) Jacksonville Jaguars- 104 ( 1 playoff win)
25.) Buffalo Bills- 104
26.) Houston Texans- 98 ( 2 playoff wins)
27.) Oakland Raiders- 95 ( 3 playoff wins)
28.) Detroit Lions- 86
29.) Cleveland Browns- 85

Shouldn't the Browns be #32?

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:51 pm

Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order
Team Record Winning %
New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland? Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:55 pm

Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:So Bills are one of four teams without a playoff win since 2000, but you won't include them as one of the worst. Tell me again who is making shit up.

I'm just posting statistics - you're the one making emotional proclamations

First time you posted any figures.

Chizzang wrote:I'm right - they're wrong...
when has that ever been important around here..?

Are we speaking metaphorically like 93 and Gannon

reality is not a strong suit of this forum

(blind bias on your part)

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:56 pm

Chizzang wrote:Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order
Team Record Winning %
New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland? Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307

4 teams in the AFC east. 1 at the top, the other 3 near the bottom. What's that tell you?

Post by **93henfan** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:58 pm

All I've ever said is that the Patriots have benefitted greatly from playing in a terrible division during two decades with Belichick and Brady. There's no denying it. You're in willful denial if you state otherwise.

Adding their numbers in the comparison destroys any statistical analysis, because their very statistics are inflated from playing such terrible competition for 40% of their games each and every year for the last ~20 years.

And yes, this year is an outlier. Obviously.

The NFC East has two mediocre and two bad teams, while the AFC East has two good teams and two bad teams. That is flipped from the majority of years, like when the Giants, Giants again, and Eagles were beating the Patriots in the Super Bowl, in years where the Patriots had recently been found to have cheated.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:01 pm

Chizzang wrote:Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order

Top two teams from each division bolded. Only three real outliers there.

New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:07 pm

Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order
Team Record Winning %
New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland? Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307

Statistically, speaking, the Pats benefit from a shitty division.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:10 pm

Ivytalk wrote:Entertaining spat between the Insufferable Curmudgeon and the Smug Prick.

Never bet against the Curmudgeon. The beat down in this thread is making Chizzy looked like that Massey guy that 89 routinely thumps. In honor of 89's advancing age I'll use an old arcade classic - at this point in the thread, it's like "Punch-Out" and 89's KO meter is high enough that he's throwing right hooks and uppercuts. Chizzy, aka "Glass Joe", is wobbling.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:12 pm

93henfan wrote:All I've ever said is that the Patriots have benefitted greatly from playing in a terrible division during two decades with Belichick and Brady. There's no denying it. You're in willful denial if you state otherwise.

Remove the Patriots stats and the division is in the middle of the 8 divisions
It varies depending on if you go back to 2000 or since realignment - but never below the middle
Adding their numbers in the comparison destroys any statistical analysis, because their very statistics are inflated from playing such terrible competition for 40% of their games each and every year for the last ~20 years.

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:14 pm

GannonFan wrote:
Ivytalk wrote:Entertaining spat between the Insufferable Curmudgeon and the Smug Prick.
Never bet against the Curmudgeon. The beat down in this thread is making Chizzy looked like that Massey guy that 89 routinely thumps. In honor of 89's advancing age I'll use an old arcade classic - at this point in the thread, it's like "Punch-Out" and 89's KO meter is high enough that he's throwing right hooks and uppercuts. Chizzy, aka "Glass Joe", is wobbling.

You're just a hater...

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:02 pm

Panthers have let Ron Rivera go.

He’s definitely had his issues but he’s the winningest coach Carolina has had and took them to a Super Bowl.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:00 pm

CID1990 wrote:Panthers have let Ron Rivera go.

He’s definitely had his issues but he’s the winningest coach Carolina has had and took them to a Super Bowl.

That's interesting. I didn't think coaching was their problem.

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:36 pm

CID1990 wrote:Panthers have let Ron Rivera go.

He’s definitely had his issues but he’s the winningest coach Carolina has had and took them to a Super Bowl.

Yup. I would say some other coaches are the problem.

And Cam.

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Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:46 pm

Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:Panthers have let Ron Rivera go.

He’s definitely had his issues but he’s the winningest coach Carolina has had and took them to a Super Bowl.
Yup. I would say some other coaches are the problem.

And Cam.

Cam Newton and his 140 snaps this season is the problem..?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... counts.htm

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:25 pm

Chizzang wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Yup. I would say some other coaches are the problem.

And Cam.

Cam Newton and his 140 snaps this season is the problem..?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... counts.htm

Cam hasn’t been good since 2015. Last season he was injured

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Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:52 pm

Ibanez wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Cam Newton and his 140 snaps this season is the problem..?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... counts.htm
Cam hasn’t been good since 2015. Last season he was injured

Okay sure,
But those are two completely different statements
unrelated to Cam Newton being the problem this season

Newton is about the least of their problems right now

Post by **UNI88** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:30 pm

Chizzang wrote:Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order
Team Record Winning %
New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland? Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307

This tells me that the AFC East is marginally better than the AFC South and NFC West over that time and that if you take out each division's best team they're pretty much equal to both of those divisions. The NFC East is #1 and the AFC North is #2.

Post by **Ibanez** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:42 pm

Chizzang wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Cam hasn’t been good since 2015. Last season he was injured
Okay sure,
But those are two completely different statements
unrelated to Cam Newton being the problem this season

Newton is about the least of their problems right now

I didn’t say he was THE problem. Just a problem.

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Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:11 pm

UNI88 wrote:
Chizzang wrote:Winning Percentages Since 2000 ranked in order
Team Record Winning %
New England Patriots 225-79 .740
Pittsburgh Steelers 197-105-2 .652
Indianapolis Colts 190-114 .625
Green Bay Packers 184-118-2 .609
Philadelphia Eagles 181-122-1 .597
Baltimore Ravens 176-128 .579
Denver Broncos 175-129 .576
Seattle Seahawks 171-132-1 .564
New Orleans Saints 170-134 .560
Dallas Cowboys 160-144 .526
Atlanta Falcons 157-146-1 .518
Los Angeles Chargers 157-147 .516
Minnesota Vikings 155-147-2 .513
Kansas City Chiefs 154-150 .507
New York Giants 154-150 .507
Carolina Panthers 152-151-1 .502
Tennessee Titans 151-153 .497
Chicago Bears 149-155 .490
Cincinnati Bengals 143-158-3 .475
Miami Dolphins 144-160 .473
New York Jets 141-163 .464
Los Angeles Rams 135-168-1 .446
San Francisco 49ers 135-168-1 .446
Houston Texans 121-151 .445
Arizona Cardinals 132-171-1 .436
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 131-173 .431
Washington Redskins 129-174-1 .426
Buffalo Bills 127-177 .418
Jacksonville Jaguars 121-183 .398
Oakland? Raiders 118-186 .388
Detroit Lions 111-193 .365
Cleveland Browns 93-210-1 .307
This tells me that the AFC East is marginally better than the AFC South and NFC West over that time and that if you take out each division's best team they're pretty much equal to both of those divisions. The NFC East is #1 and the AFC North is #2.

I don't disagree with that... ^

From realignment (2003) the AFC East is right in the middle
minus the Patriots & other top teams per division from that time

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:32 pm

Ron Rivera and Cam Newton won 68 games together. Since 2000, that's the second-most wins by any quarterback-coach combo that failed to win a Super Bowl together.

COACH-QB COMBO WINS
Andy Reid-Donovan McNabb 90
Ron Rivera-Cam Newton 68
Marvin Lewis-Andy Dalton 67
Mike Smith-Matt Ryan 66
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Cam appears to be safe for now. He undergoes surgery next week on his left foot.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:34 pm

Ibanez wrote:Ron Rivera and Cam Newton won 68 games together. Since 2000, that's the second-most wins by any quarterback-coach combo that failed to win a Super Bowl together.

COACH-QB COMBO WINS
Andy Reid-Donovan McNabb 90
Ron Rivera-Cam Newton 68
Marvin Lewis-Andy Dalton 67
Mike Smith-Matt Ryan 66
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Cam appears to be safe for now. He undergoes surgery next week on his left foot.

And none of the those QB's nor coaches won with another. A big list of losers.

Post by **Ibanez** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:37 pm

89Hen wrote:
Ibanez wrote:Ron Rivera and Cam Newton won 68 games together. Since 2000, that's the second-most wins by any quarterback-coach combo that failed to win a Super Bowl together.

COACH-QB COMBO WINS
Andy Reid-Donovan McNabb 90
Ron Rivera-Cam Newton 68
Marvin Lewis-Andy Dalton 67
Mike Smith-Matt Ryan 66
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Cam appears to be safe for now. He undergoes surgery next week on his left foot.
And none of the those QB's nor coaches won with another. A big list of losers.

Ron is an '85 Bear, he has that.

Post by **UNI88** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:41 pm

Chizzang wrote:
UNI88 wrote:
This tells me that the AFC East is marginally better than the AFC South and NFC West over that time and that if you take out each division's best team they're pretty much equal to both of those divisions. The NFC East is #1 and the AFC North is #2.
I don't disagree with that... ^

From realignment (2003) the AFC East is right in the middle
minus the Patriots & other top teams per division from that time

I have the Patriots 6th out of 8 with or without the top teams in each division. Bottom of the middle or top of the bottom?

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:57 pm

Ibanez wrote:Ron Rivera and Cam Newton won 68 games together. Since 2000, that's the second-most wins by any quarterback-coach combo that failed to win a Super Bowl together.

COACH-QB COMBO WINS
Andy Reid-Donovan McNabb 90
Ron Rivera-Cam Newton 68
Marvin Lewis-Andy Dalton 67
Mike Smith-Matt Ryan 66
-- ESPN Stats & Information

Cam appears to be safe for now. He undergoes surgery next week on his left foot.

I think Cam and RGIII have effectively demonstrated that the read option is nit sustainable at the NFL level. The QB is going to get hurt eventually, and then start wearing flamboyant hats.

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