NBA Finals

[DSUrocks07]

Golden State are the Champs. 105-97 in Game 6

Andre Iguodala gets the nod for Finals MVP. 25-5-5 night.

As a Miami Heat fan, I am satisfied with this result.

[Seahawks08]

[Gil Dobie]

Great Series, I can see Iggy or Steph getting MVP, vote went 7 Iggy, 4 Lebron. I knew Van Gundy would vote Lebron, he has a boner for him, wants to coach the Cavs. Golden State should send a ring to David Kahn, former Timberwolves GM, for selecting Jonny Flynn over Steph Curry.

[GannonFan]

Iggy should've been the overwhelming MVP choice. Lebron had great stat lines, as long as you don't include FG% on that stat line. Shooting 39% from the floor for the series (and shooting something like 24% when guarded primarily by Iguodala) when you normally shoot 48% from the floor means you're getting D'd up. Let's put it another way, if that was Kobe shooting that much and at that low of a percentage, people would be ripping him for being a gunner and selfish. With Lebron we talk about how heroic it was. No doubt Lebron was on the worse team, and no doubt he had to shoulder the lionshare of the workload to compensate for the lack of support, but let's keep it in perspective, when he went up against Iguodala, it was Iguodala who had the better of it, hence the MVP award.

[SDHornet]

Iggy should've been the overwhelming MVP choice. Lebron had great stat lines, as long as you don't include FG% on that stat line. Shooting 39% from the floor for the series (and shooting something like 24% when guarded primarily by Iguodala) when you normally shoot 48% from the floor means you're getting D'd up. Let's put it another way, if that was Kobe shooting that much and at that low of a percentage, people would be ripping him for being a gunner and selfish. With Lebron we talk about how heroic it was. No doubt Lebron was on the worse team, and no doubt he had to shoulder the lionshare of the workload to compensate for the lack of support, but let's keep it in perspective, when he went up against Iguodala, it was Iguodala who had the better of it, hence the MVP award.

Agree. LeBron took way too many mid-range and long jumpers. However he did carry this garbage team to within 2 wins of a title. I was impressed with his gritty performance even though he didn't particularly shoot the ball well.

[clenz]

The second best player on the Cavs roster that played in the Finals was fucking Timofy Mosgov.

Think about that. Fucking Mosgov.

Think about how crazy it is for one person, Lebron, to get that garbage roster even close to a title

[GannonFan]

The second best player on the Cavs roster that played in the Finals was **** Timofy Mosgov.

Think about that. **** Mosgov.

Think about how crazy it is for one person, Lebron, to get that garbage roster even close to a title

Yes, the Eastern Conference is that bad. One star and you can be in the Finals.

[Gil Dobie]

The second best player on the Cavs roster that played in the Finals was **** Timofy Mosgov.

Think about that. **** Mosgov.

Think about how crazy it is for one person, Lebron, to get that garbage roster even close to a title

Love and Irving helped get them to the playoffs, and Irving did play into the first game of the finals. The Cavs did have a great showing in the finals, aka Jerry West taking the 1965 Lakers to the finals after Elgin Baylor got hurt in game 1 of the playoffs. West went on to average 40 points in the playoffs, 34 in the finals. Lakers lost to Boston in 5.

[dbackjon]

The second best player on the Cavs roster that played in the Finals was fucking Timofy Mosgov.

Think about that. Fucking Mosgov.

Think about how crazy it is for one person, Lebron, to get that garbage roster even close to a title

Yup - and the first time LeBron took the Cavs to the finals, the roster was worse.


King James is the best player ever in the NBA.

[clenz]

The second best player on the Cavs roster that played in the Finals was fucking Timofy Mosgov.

Think about that. Fucking Mosgov.

Think about how crazy it is for one person, Lebron, to get that garbage roster even close to a title

Yup - and the first time LeBron took the Cavs to the finals, the roster was worse.


King James is the best player ever in the NBA.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but it's true.

This years roster was the 2013 Knicks and end of bench players from his Miami teams that he was friends with. I know part of it is because the East isn't real good but I don't think there's another player that could step into what Lebron did this playoffs and get the same results.

[SDHornet]

The second best player on the Cavs roster that played in the Finals was fucking Timofy Mosgov.

Think about that. Fucking Mosgov.

Think about how crazy it is for one person, Lebron, to get that garbage roster even close to a title

Yup - and the first time LeBron took the Cavs to the finals, the roster was worse.


King James is the best player ever in the NBA.

Yup. Craziness.

[dbackjon]

Yup - and the first time LeBron took the Cavs to the finals, the roster was worse.


King James is the best player ever in the NBA.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but it's true.

This years roster was the 2013 Knicks and end of bench players from his Miami teams that he was friends with. I know part of it is because the East isn't real good but I don't think there's another player that could step into what Lebron did this playoffs and get the same results.

100% serious

[GannonFan]

Yup - and the first time LeBron took the Cavs to the finals, the roster was worse.


King James is the best player ever in the NBA.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but it's true.

This years roster was the 2013 Knicks and end of bench players from his Miami teams that he was friends with. I know part of it is because the East isn't real good but I don't think there's another player that could step into what Lebron did this playoffs and get the same results.

Let's see, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson off the top of my head, and considering the state of big men in the NBA today, also guys like Kareem, Olajuwan, and I would throw in there Magic as well. Lebron is great, he's all-time great, top 10 and possibly top 5 all time great, but there are plenty of guys who could've taken this crappy Cavs roster and gotten through the crappy Eastern Conference with it.

[SDHornet]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but it's true.

This years roster was the 2013 Knicks and end of bench players from his Miami teams that he was friends with. I know part of it is because the East isn't real good but I don't think there's another player that could step into what Lebron did this playoffs and get the same results.

Let's see, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson off the top of my head, and considering the state of big men in the NBA today, also guys like Kareem, Olajuwan, and I would throw in there Magic as well. Lebron is great, he's all-time great, top 10 and possibly top 5 all time great, but there are plenty of guys who could've taken this crappy Cavs roster and gotten through the crappy Eastern Conference with it.

Would they (surrounded by the garbage LeBron was) been able to win the title against a team like the Warriors?

[93henfan]

The NBA season is over, and for that we can all be thankful.

As a side note, is it just me or does Philadelphia have an alarming number of athletes leave for other cities and then win championships and MVPs? This week alone: Iguodala and Timmonen

[clenz]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but it's true.

This years roster was the 2013 Knicks and end of bench players from his Miami teams that he was friends with. I know part of it is because the East isn't real good but I don't think there's another player that could step into what Lebron did this playoffs and get the same results.

Let's see, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson off the top of my head, and considering the state of big men in the NBA today, also guys like Kareem, Olajuwan, and I would throw in there Magic as well. Lebron is great, he's all-time great, top 10 and possibly top 5 all time great, but there are plenty of guys who could've taken this crappy Cavs roster and gotten through the crappy Eastern Conference with it.

If they developed around this era they wouldn't be the type of players they were.

Different eras

[AZGrizFan]

Let's see, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson off the top of my head, and considering the state of big men in the NBA today, also guys like Kareem, Olajuwan, and I would throw in there Magic as well. Lebron is great, he's all-time great, top 10 and possibly top 5 all time great, but there are plenty of guys who could've taken this crappy Cavs roster and gotten through the crappy Eastern Conference with it.

Would they (surrounded by the garbage LeBron was) been able to win the title against a team like the Warriors?

Let's be honest: If Love & Irving hadn't gone down with season ending injuries in the playoffs, the Cavs are probably world champs right now.

[89Hen]

As a side note, is it just me or does Philadelphia have an alarming number of athletes leave for other cities and then win championships and MVPs? This week alone: Iguodala and Timmonen

Finals MVP and first guy to hoist the Cup after the team captain.

[AZGrizFan]

As a side note, is it just me or does Philadelphia have an alarming number of athletes leave for other cities and then win championships and MVPs? This week alone: Iguodala and Timmonen

Finals MVP and first guy to hoist the Cup after the team captain.

Same thing happens to Phoenix: I mean, yesterday alone Steve Kerr, Alvin Gentry and Leandro Barbosa...

[Gil Dobie]

Let's see, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Oscar Robertson off the top of my head, and considering the state of big men in the NBA today, also guys like Kareem, Olajuwan, and I would throw in there Magic as well. Lebron is great, he's all-time great, top 10 and possibly top 5 all time great, but there are plenty of guys who could've taken this crappy Cavs roster and gotten through the crappy Eastern Conference with it.

If they developed around this era they wouldn't be the type of players they were.

Different eras

Same could be said of sticking Lebron back in previous era's. What would Lebron be, maybe a shorter Karl Malone or taller in-shape Charkley.

[clenz]

Would they (surrounded by the garbage LeBron was) been able to win the title against a team like the Warriors?

Let's be honest: If Love & Irving hadn't gone down with season ending injuries in the playoffs, the Cavs are probably world champs right now.

That's likely true.

The reality is, though, Love only played in 4 games and in those games went for 14 points (40% shooting), 7 boards, 3 assists.

Irving missed games two and three of the conference finals (4 game sweep) and played just 20 minutes in game 4 (played 48 total minutes in the series).

Lebron carried this team. Was his jump shot % low? Sure. Imagine how hard it would be to get lift for a 16+ foot jumper putting the kind of wear on the body he did in the post season. He averaged 42 mpg this post season in the finals he went 46, 50, 46, 41, 45, 47

Here's the scoring for the playoffs for this Cavs team
1 LeBron James 601
2 Kyrie Irving 247
3 J.R. Smith 231
4 Timofey Mozgov 212
5 Tristan Thompson 192
6 Iman Shumpert 181
7 Matthew Dellavedova 143
8 James Jones 87
9 Kevin Love 57
10 Kendrick Perkins 10
11 Mike Miller 9
12 Joe Harris 8
13 Shawn Marion 2
14 Brendan Haywood 0


Seriously, look at that fucking shithole of a roster. I'm not joking when I say he took the early 10s Knicks and the end of bench players from the Heat that he liked to the Finals - JR Smith, Iman Shumpert and Timofey Mosgov were all on the Knicks roster at some point during James time in Miami. Miller, Marion and Jones were all end of bench guys in Miami the last couple years that will follow Lebron anywhere he goes until they retire. The starting PG was an undrafted free agent that played less than 20 MPG each of his first two years.

This years Cavs team is marginally better than the disaster he took to the conference finals his last two years. Looking at the roster he took to the finals in 07 though...dear god. How the fuck did they get there?

Shannon Brown
Daniel Gibson
Drew Gooden
Larry Hughes
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Damon Jones
Dwayne Jones
Donyell Marshall
Ira Newbie
Sasha Pavlovic
Scot Pollard
Eric Snow
Anderson Varejao
David Wesley


I was on the "I hate Lebron wagon" for years but this past year ESPN got off his dick enough this year that I stopped hating as much and became more amazed at what he can/does do.

I stand by my statement of there is not another person in the NBA that can do what he does and could get this Cavs roster to within 2 games of a title.

[clenz]

If they developed around this era they wouldn't be the type of players they were.

Different eras

Same could be said of sticking Lebron back in previous era's. What would Lebron be, maybe a shorter Karl Malone or taller in-shape Charkley.

So a top 10 all time player still that would still completely change the game plan of other teams.

There's a reason there are very few true centers left anymore. The game has "evolved" them out.

Notice MJ didn't start winning until Pippen got into the league and got a couple seasons of NBA ball under his belt. Pippen is in the top 50 players all time on many lists. The year MJ sat the Bulls still went to game 7 of the conference semis. His early teams had some pretty nice players as well - Cartright, Grant, Armstrong, etc... His last 3 he had a pretty nice cast as well - Kerr, Harper, Kukoc, Longley, Rodman

Top to bottom this Cavs team isn't even close to having anyone like that on it's roster. Mosgov might be better than Cartright...maybe. No one else really comes close.

[Gil Dobie]

I stand by my statement of there is not another person in the NBA that can do what he does and could get this Cavs roster to within 2 games of a title.

There are several players that could have done that, being Cleveland was in the East. Westbrook, Curry, Durant (when healthy), Davis. That's as far as I would venture to go though. Kobe during his prime would be on the list and maybe Dwight Howard when he gave a chit and took the Magic to the finals.

This is assuming these players would have Love for the season, and Irving for the first rounds of the playoffs.

[AZGrizFan]

Let's be honest: If Love & Irving hadn't gone down with season ending injuries in the playoffs, the Cavs are probably world champs right now.

That's likely true.

The reality is, though, Love only played in 4 games and in those games went for 14 points (40% shooting), 7 boards, 3 assists.

Irving missed games two and three of the conference finals (4 game sweep) and played just 20 minutes in game 4 (played 48 total minutes in the series).

Lebron carried this team. Was his jump shot % low? Sure. Imagine how hard it would be to get lift for a 16+ foot jumper putting the kind of wear on the body he did in the post season. He averaged 42 mpg this post season in the finals he went 46, 50, 46, 41, 45, 47

I was on the "I hate Lebron wagon" for years but this past year ESPN got off his dick enough this year that I stopped hating as much and became more amazed at what he can/does do.

I stand by my statement of there is not another person in the NBA that can do what he does and could get this Cavs roster to within 2 games of a title.

Nobody is arguing that point. He'd have carried the team even if Love and Irving had been healthy. But Love and Irving versus Shumpert and Dellavedova is a gigantic lift and would have made the difference, I believe.

[JALMOND]

That's likely true.

The reality is, though, Love only played in 4 games and in those games went for 14 points (40% shooting), 7 boards, 3 assists.

Irving missed games two and three of the conference finals (4 game sweep) and played just 20 minutes in game 4 (played 48 total minutes in the series).

Lebron carried this team. Was his jump shot % low? Sure. Imagine how hard it would be to get lift for a 16+ foot jumper putting the kind of wear on the body he did in the post season. He averaged 42 mpg this post season in the finals he went 46, 50, 46, 41, 45, 47

I was on the "I hate Lebron wagon" for years but this past year ESPN got off his dick enough this year that I stopped hating as much and became more amazed at what he can/does do.

I stand by my statement of there is not another person in the NBA that can do what he does and could get this Cavs roster to within 2 games of a title.

Nobody is arguing that point. He'd have carried the team even if Love and Irving had been healthy. But Love and Irving versus Shumpert and Dellavedova is a gigantic lift and would have made the difference, I believe.

Irving for sure but I don't know about Love. I think he showed this season exactly what he is, a great player on bad teams. You put players like that on good teams and they don't know what to do (not being the focus of the team). Olynik did the Cavs a favor by forcing Love out of the postseason.

Love injured and Irving healthy would have made a big difference, whereas Irving injured and Love healthy would have got them the same results, if not worse. James needed Irving, he would have got along fine without Love.