Outrageous: Tim Lincecum struck out 14 Braves last night. He allowed only three baserunners (two on base hits, and the other on a walk). Not bad for another ace making his postseason debut. In fact, Bill James (this guy, not this guy) would have you believe that Lincecum's postseason debut was better than Roy Halladay's postseason debut. Longtime readers of The Rundown will remember that all Halladay did was throw a no-hitter in his postseason debut. But you do the math.
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I've done some analysis of Halladay's start and, on a neutral field, under a full moon, when the temperature is between 62F and 71F, his numbers project to 6 runs over five innings, 12 hits, and four BB. I know a lot of old timers are impressed with silly on-field events like a no-hitter, but we younger, cooler, hipper stat geeks know better.
I've done some analysis of Halladay's start and, on a neutral field, under a full moon, when the temperature is between 62F and 71F, his numbers project to 6 runs over five innings, 12 hits, and four BB. I know a lot of old timers are impressed with silly on-field events like a no-hitter, but we younger, cooler, hipper stat geeks know better.
I don't give a shit if Halladay didn't strike out a single person and went to a full count on every single batter...he didn't allow a single hit and was one batter away from a perfect game.
This stat shmuck is just trying to shed some light on himself, nothing more.
No one will remember Lincecum's game in a couple years. People will still talk about Halladay's game in 54 years.
Gil Dobie wrote:I think most people would think a no-hitter is more impressive. Interesting that Bill James stat formula has Lincecum's performance rated higher.
Not really. 14 K's and only two hits are pretty darn impressive. There are formulas for everything. I'm sure there are ones that show Halladay's to be superior. Just like the football computer models... they're all written by humans with biases awarding "points" for things the creator of the formula feels are important.
Hallday's is more impressive. Heck, the Phils threw Kyle Kendrick and Vance Worley at the Braves over 2 days at the end of the season, when the Braves had to win, and they shut the Braves offense down. Atlanta's not long for the playoffs (although neither are the Reds, but that's just because the Phils are dominant) so I go with Halladay.
GannonFan wrote:Hallday's is more impressive. Heck, the Phils threw Kyle Kendrick and Vance Worley at the Braves over 2 days at the end of the season, when the Braves had to win, and they shut the Braves offense down. Atlanta's not long for the playoffs (although neither are the Reds, but that's just because the Phils are dominant) so I go with Halladay.
....and apparently neither are the Rays.
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GannonFan wrote:Hallday's is more impressive. Heck, the Phils threw Kyle Kendrick and Vance Worley at the Braves over 2 days at the end of the season, when the Braves had to win, and they shut the Braves offense down. Atlanta's not long for the playoffs (although neither are the Reds, but that's just because the Phils are dominant) so I go with Halladay.
....and apparently neither are the Rays.
Good lord, how true that is...
The Rays have sucked in every facet of the game. Watching them play the last two games (and the week of games before that) you have to wonder how in the hell they once played well enough to win the AL East.
bandl wrote:I don't give a shit if Halladay didn't strike out a single person and went to a full count on every single batter...he didn't allow a single hit and was one batter away from a perfect game.
This stat shmuck is just trying to shed some light on himself, nothing more.
No one will remember Lincecum's game in a couple years. People will still talk about Halladay's game in 54 years.
Which is exactly why Halladay's performance was the better of the two, and it is not even close.
